UNCLE CAMERMAN SPOLIER: The Resurrection

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Beef Jerky	Apology	#81	[-]
Posts: 378 (04/04/01 6:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Riverprowler: I realize now that my post went off in a needless accusatory tone and I might have made you feel unwelcome as a first time poster. For that I am sorry. You may have been mixed up on the dates and meant to say mid-Feb instead of Mid-March. Croc: Someone I think had posted that Chicago either became a RU just after Jeff got booted or made that post. After and not before Jeff got voted. It was reposted so it makes all this confusing. I am grateful for your and Chetbaker's memories
springfever	Re: Uncle Camerman Spolier	#82	[-]
Posts: 351 (04/04/01 6:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Here I go again; the last time I posted this I was actually accused of being CS in disguise. Having been a long time lurker, sometime poster on both Boards I remember the original post as around the time of the merger. I thought it was a crock: I recall thinking why on earth would Kucha go after Colby, instead of Keith or Jerri. Well they did the unbelievable and went after Colby. Yes, some of the scenarios haven't been too accurate, but the boot order has been dead on. Is it possible, just possible, that an employee of CBS enjoying himself at a family gathering, naturally drinking too much, DID boast a little to a younger member not imagining for a moment that this nerdy nephew was an avid web surfer and posted the info? I mean sometime this was bound to happen. And that a horrified parent tried to cover his brother's butt by dening the story?
riverprowler(d)	Re: Uncle Camerman Spolier	#83	[-]
Posts: 9 (04/04/01 6:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thanks Beef! All I was trying to point out is that the RyanBBB post that you are referring to is completely different from the original Chicago Survivor post from mid-February (maybe even early Feb?). They share no details in common that I am aware of, at least not from what I remember jotting down. I'm unfamiliar with the "family tree" of this mutating thread because I haven't been following it, but any connection to the original CS post has long been lost, if in fact they are connected at all. If the RyanBBB post is something original and unrelated to the original CS post, then it may have it's own internal merit, but if it derives its "authenticity" from the CS post, then it is a fraud.
paris27(d)	The original date was March 12...	#84	[-]
Posts: 71 (04/04/01 6:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have a hard copy from when ChicagoSurvivor first posted the info. (on March 12) It began with Alicia goes first...nothing about Jeff and Colby. I'd be happy to scan or fax it to someone if they want to post it. I have no idea how to post it here, but maybe someone else can. I could care less whether this is real or not...they did say they were lying, but I thought maybe I could clear up some of the "when did this post" arguments.
cardinal1986	NO. NO. NO.	#85	[-]
Posts: 155 (04/04/01 6:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There are even TWO DIFFERENT versions of "uncle cameraman". It appears that there was the original version and then and edited version appeared after the first was wrong. WAY wrong. The original UC boot list was ep5 -- Alicia ep6 -- Colby ep7 -- Mike ep8 -- Nick ep9 -- Keith ep10 -- Jeff ep11 -- Kimmi ep12 -- Rog ep13 -- Eliz with Jerri and Amber in the final 2.
Beef Jerky	Re: Uncle Camerman Spolier	#86	[-]
Posts: 378 (04/04/01 7:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	River: The RyanBBB post was definately a repost of a ChicagoSurvivor Ryan claimed he saw weeks before. I recalled seeing the Chicago post that Ryann referred to and it was the same except at the beginning Chicago spoke of his uncle being a cameraman at CBS, and knew that he was an avid Survivor fan. I believe he concluded it by saying that his uncle does not tell him much. The earlier chicago survivor post was reposted in my thread the biggest spoiler ever missed? by another user just as I had seen it. So was a different version dated March 12 with the boot order different as described above. It was never conclusively proven to be in the form I quoted pre-Jeff although many have substantiated this. It definately was in that form pre-Alicia as that is when I copied it. I think all we can do is watch the next episode as this spoiler predicts much for episode 10. The postee as quoted is either now on a three boot (1/720 odds) or two boot (1/72 odds)streak. If Nick is next to go the odds will be 1/720 or 1/5040 (pre and post Jeff start point). If colby follows 1/3024 or 1/30240. Accurately prediciting the IC winner and the bootee for e10 raises the odds sevenfold. To be accurate on a plot line (shifting alliances) three episodes ahead, I would say a thousandfold. If the RyannBBB re-post is right this episode about both the bootee and the IC winner we can almost conclude that it is a true spoiler, 1/3528 to 1/35280 odds (pre or post Jeff)aqs "luck" is running out. If the plot line is correct it is unmistakenably a spoiler.
Unregistered(d)	Re: Uncle Camerman Spolier	#87	[-]
Posts: 0 (04/04/01 8:35 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is my first post, but I've been reading the site, and following this particular spoiler since the time that Jeff got booted. I also saved the RyanBBB repost to my hard drive on March 15. I'm very intrigued by the attempts to debunk that posting based upon the "recollection" of a prior, and different, posting. Even during the week of the 15th, people seemed to "recall" an earlier post, but no one has produced it. We've seen five or six folks today who've got a trail on the mid-March post. Can't someone offer hardcore evidence of an earlier post? If not, I'm inclined to speculate that the pre-Varner version had nothing to do with this one. I do remember the board being very pissed off at some guy named varnerwins, or something like that, around the same time. Is it possible that people are remembering two different, but similar, posts?
paris27(d)	I have a copy...	#88	[-]
Posts: 71 (04/04/01 8:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	As I posted above, I have a hard copy of the March 12 post by ChicagoSurvivor...part of which was posted by RyanBBB a few days later. I can e-mail it to someone who knows how to post it to this board, or wants to post it to their site. I just can't figure out how to post it here.
Vinsincere	Cardinal 1986	#89	[-]
Posts: 379 (04/04/01 8:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yes, this is also my recollection. The original Uncle Cameraman had a 2-2-2-1 tie in episode 5 with Alicia going. Now, if someone were truly evil, they could have set us up with the flatly wrong Uncle Cameraman, followed by the partially right Uncle Cameraman, because people would be more likely to buy into the second version if people screamed it was fake and were (initially) proven wrong. At first I thought someone was just putting window dressing on their own reasoning, but I'm beginning to agree with xrunner and others that this is probably a plant that will work for a while and then quit. Interesting too, that the gap between the two Uncles was long enough for the original to drop off into limbo. The important thing is just to enjoy yourself.
Unregistered(d)	Re: I have a copy...	#90	[-]
Posts: 0 (04/04/01 8:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If you have an electronic copy you can just copy and paste it into the posting box. But what I'd really like to see is the pre-Varner post that allegedly predicted Jerri being booted in ep 5. Still, if you've got the March 12 post, put it up. I've never seen the "original." Not to get too philosphical, but this thread is the most interesting example of the ephemeral nature of truth, reality and evidence in the electronic age. (OK, I apologize, but I'm a former auditor and interested in the fakeness or reality of documentation.)
paris27(d)	I need help...	#91	[-]
Posts: 71 (04/04/01 8:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm not sure what you mean "an electronic copy"...I scanned it onto my harddrive...but it won't paste onto here. (sorry...I'm not good at that kind of stuff) If you can explain it better...or let me e-mail the doc to you or someone else?
SamAdamsLCC19	Are we still at this?	#92	[-]
Posts: 174 (04/04/01 8:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I got shouted down earlier for trying to knock some sense into you people that believe this is a spoiler. I just can't stand by any longer and in the words of 'nilla, let you be amish. 1)this "spoiler" was started by a 14 year old 2)he admitted it was false TWICE! 3)his uncle does not work for CBS 4)it has mutated into many forms. Next thing you know the spolier had Rich letting go of the pole. 5)it was a lucky guess so far! 6)the odds are not astronomical on this being right. This boot order is very logical 7)most of the "inside info" is WRONG on the storyline. Please let this die..... "They told me they fixed it..."
Unregistered(d)	Re: I need help...	#93	[-]
Posts: 0 (04/04/01 8:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, I'm sorry - didn't realize you only had a scanned copy. I don't know how to post images, but obviously you can since people are adding screen shots. Email it to me at texingrrl@hotmail.com. Maybe I can run it through an OCR program.
paris27(d)	Will do...	#94	[-]
Posts: 71 (04/04/01 9:01 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's on it's way texingrrl! Thanks!
SurvivorLover	To clear stuff up (both versions here)	#95	[-]
Posts: 238 (04/04/01 9:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is taken from Gator's board (courtesy Cruzin). Anyway, the first list is actually the second one that was posted (by RyanBBB after the Liz/Amber HTML thing). The second list was the one that was posted first by ChicagoSurvivor (and yes it was in all caps when originally posted). I hope this will show that there were 2 different version printed the same week and they contradict each other. Notice the second one (TERK final four) says about the uncle at the end of it. If everyone read my first post on this matter, then this is some more supplemental data. Hope this helps and clears up the debate a little bit. SL ******************************* The following two synopsis were posted some time ago on EZ and I had them saved to my hard drive. While I don't subscribe to them, they were posted before EP7 and predicted both EP7 & EP8 correctly. Just thought it worth reposting so we don't lose them. -------------------- When the tribes merdge, Jeff and Colby are tied with votes. They vote again and their tied. So Survivor rules say that who had the most votes before tonight gets voted off. That would be Jeff. So Jeff is Voted off in ep.7 ALICIA goes next due to the ogakors trying to do a pick of Kucha 1 by 1 thing, but... her and liz do alot of detective work before she goes and they find the cracks. Alicia goes and it seems that they didnt do good and it was gonna continue as 1 by 1 Then, Keith and rodger were talking alot and it scares jerri, she thinks she is next, so jerri trys to get liz to join her as well as nick, but she gets lied to by a smart liz who is with rodger and jerri dosnt see this. keith, rodger, liz and nick eliminate Jerri in ep. 9 Then in episode 10, Keith is now hated by amber who knows she is dead meat now. she gets colby to join her and they try to get nick, which they get, but... keith, tina, rodger, and liz are solid and they rid of nick due when they find this out. they go to get colby, but he wins immunity. nick is gone episode 11 - the keith, rodger, liz, tina combo is strong as ever and they are on a roll, in the immunity, colby, amber, and tina are the last three remaining in the immunity challenge and it is to the fact where whichever of the 2 of colby or amber looses is gone, but tina wins, so its open game. Colby is next booted and he says before he leaves tribal council "when a texan gets outsmarted, dont mess with him, or texas" which is kinda a sore looser bit. episode 12 - would be the obvious of amber going, but she wins immunity in suprising fashion, and due to it, she votes for tina to go. the alliance with tina, keith, liz and rodger know one of them is gone and they go back to basics. amber, helping herself, persuades liz and rodger to vote tina and they do. Tina is gone Final Four is Amber, Rodger, Liz, And Keith ------------------------------- Heres the second story I had saved, I re-typed in small letters, since the original poster decided to put it all in caps. Anyway................ ------------------------------- EP8 - Liz is trying to find cracks but she is not successful right away, but she doesnt get the boot. Jerri, thinking she has a grasp on Ogakor decides that Liz has a strong alliance with Alicia. liz makes it look as if her and Alicia are a strong alliance and Ogakor boots Alicia. Here is the answer for the person that should have been booted earlier, but now it will be too late. Booted - Alicia EP9 - The crack and breakup of Ogakor. Keith and Tina defect to Liz, Rodger and Nick and Keith gets his wish by booting Jerri. Booted - Jerri EP10 - now with a good alliance, L/R/T/K go to vote Colby, but Colby wins immunity and Amber goes, Booted - Amber EP11 - Colby is the obvious choice, but another immunity keeps him around and the alliance votes off the weaker, and sick link, Nick. Booted - Nick EP12 - Big time episode, now the alliance is realizing what they must do to win the game. Colby is angry still about the Keith/Tina defection that he needs to immunity to win. Kieth now deciding that Colby is needed to keep aorund for his final vote, but after Keith tells Colby he is on his side, big time betrayal and Colby is gone. Booted - Colby final Four - Liz, Rdoger, Keith, Tina Thats what I know, I wish I knew the winnder, but my uncle wont tell me, sorry. -------------------------
crochungry	yep	#96	[-]
Posts: 818 (04/04/01 9:15 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sam, all very good points and Survivorlover even detailed how much a logical pick could have been made post mike roast. It seems like the consensus is that we will have to wait and see how close epi 10 is to the spoiler, but the only way for this to really die is for a shock like Rodger being booted off. Survivorlover, ok, thanks for that. This is exactly what I've been saying. This is two versions of the post-merge boot list, and from the chat today it appears even the list I saw had at least two versions. Aiii. carumba! Well, one thing is for sure. For Survivor 3 I am saving every boot list I see, no matter how stupid, because you never know when you'll need it. Edited to reflect Survivorlovers post.
SurvivorLover	One other thing...	#97	[-]
Posts: 238 (04/04/01 9:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The people who are talking about the 2-2-2-1 vote an Alicia going are correct. This was posted between episodes 4-5 (and was total speculation also). The interesting things are that when it was predicted we had this info: 1. Kimmi/Alicia fight in preview 2. Mitch just booted 3. Mitch/Jeff/Alicia/Jerri sighting in NYC partying together This is the info the person used when they originally posted the first "spoiler": ep5 2-2-2-1 Alicia goes ep6 Jerri goes ep7 Jeff goes I cannot say for sure that it was ChicagoSurvivor who wrote this one also, but I know that every other post I have read by this person has been pure specualation based on things that everyone on these websites are figuring out through logic. This person (or people) are using the facts that we collect and then are making a "fake boot order" to satisfy the current facts. I think this is the reason these message boards were in such a bad state about a month ago...too many people putting out false theories and cluttering the board with junk. I am glad things have gotten better here again! Hope this also helps SL
SamAdamsLCC19	Re: yep	#98	[-]
Posts: 174 (04/04/01 9:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SIGH I agree there CrocHungry. The only way this thing dies is when someone gets booted that isn't in this "spoiler". Aparently reason will not prevail on this one. "They told me they fixed it..."
Beef Jerky	Re: To clear stuff up (both versions here)	#99	[-]
Posts: 378 (04/04/01 10:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is more murky to me. I remember the ALL CAP post because it was posted in my "greatest spoiler ever, missed?" thread along with the full version of the Ryan post posted by Chicago Survivor with the "my uncle is a cameraman" included. Unfortunately these two threads were NOT written by the same person, especially if the ALL CAP one was actually earlier. Notice the marked differences in grammer, spelling and vocabulary between the two? Also see how ALL CAP uses common abbreviations for episodes such as EP7 whereas the Ryan one doesn't. The ALL CAP also uses symbols such as L/R/T/K for players and the Ryan one doesn't. If the ALL CAP was earlier and written by the same person why did the author stop using common abbreviations and forget how to write? Back when Chicago Survivor was still posting occasionally there were some posts in all caps but they seemed to be from a far more mature and educated person. Then we had multiple posts from the kid that read like the Ryan spoiler. Then we had the "my kid uses my computer retraction". I remember Chicago Survivor once responding to a confrontation of a post of his that had Colby being voted off by saying that his uncle tells him lots of things and he doesn't always believe him. Two possibilities: 1. It was a VERY lucky post by a kid who loves the show (please nobody say that the boot order was obvious or based on logic); 2. The kid does have a relative who is an insider that has fed him multiple stories, some true, some not. One time the "uncle" gives the kid the true skinny as a joke and the kid races to the computer and posts it (it appears as though it was written in a hurry) using his father's RU. His father sees this and some of what happened after is damage control (to protect the relative).
Asp629	RyanBBB Post	#100	[-]
Posts: 109 (04/05/01 6:29 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sorry but can't let this one die. At least not before tonight. It may be totally debunked by tomorrow but it seems it's worth noting to see if the following happens tonight (interpretation by BeefJerky - look further up this thread) The RyanBBB post has: "Then in episode 10, Keith is now hated by amber who knows she is dead meat now. she gets colby to join her and they try to get nick, which they get, but... keith, tina, rodger, and liz are solid and they rid of nick due when they find this out. they go to get colby, but he wins immunity. nick is gone" As deciphered Amber hates Keith because he caused her friend Jerri to be voted off. Amber is worried that she is next. She convinces Colby to join her in an alliance, and Colby and Amber together convince Nick to come onboard. Keith and Tina learn of this treachery by Colby and solidify their alliance with Elisabeth and Rodger and resolve to vote out Colby. Colby wins immunity however, so they agree to vote out Nick. The formation of T/E/R/K as an alliance is another important prediction the spoiler makes.

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