Asp629, nobody has any conclusive proof it was pre-varner. And for the posters claiming it is, please read my second post on this thread on page 1 where I mention that the original cbs uncle list was pre-kimmi!
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UNCLE CAMERMAN SPOLIER: The Resurrection
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 crochungry |
Re: Lucky Guess | ||
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Posts: 818 (04/04/01 12:41 PM) Registered User |
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SamAdamsLCC19 |
Re: Lucky Guess | ||
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Posts: 174 (04/04/01 12:48 PM) |
"Even the sun shines on a dogs ass once in a while"
Translation for those near the Rio Grande = list waqs a luck guess. 1 thats right so far out of hundreds. If the odds of some one getting the boot list right so far were 1/1,000 and we had 1,000 lists so far, than one of them was bound to be right on. But don't think it'll be that way in the future. "They told me they fixed it..."
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Daspurs |
Re: Uncle Camerman Spolier | ||
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Posts: 1 (04/04/01 12:55 PM) |
If Nick doesn't go this week, some "believer" will say "well he MEANT to say (fill in correct bootee here) was gone."
I hope Nick survives, just so we can let the uncle rest in peace |
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caannie1 |
Re: Uncle Camerman Spolier | ||
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Posts: 212 (04/04/01 12:57 PM) |
I printed the original BeefJerky post entitled "biggest spoiler ever missed" on March 15. I saved it to compare how things came out in the future:
1. The original post is credited to RyanBBB reposting someone else's spoiler. Nowhere is ChicagoSurvivor mentioned, and he may have later usurped this spoiler and called it his own. 2. The original post (pre-RyanBBB) was purged with the entire SS EZ Spoiler board. But, I know the original post was pre-Alicia, because I read it and printed it. Info about the Jeff/Colby tie was included in my version but I disregard it as after the fact. 3. Whoever posted the original predicted Jerri three weeks in advance, and probably has Nick right for tomorrow night. If Colby gets immunity I will probably be a believer. Finally, we have no PROOF whatsoever that ChicagoSurvivor, his son, or anyone else wrote the original, pre-purge post that RyanBBB posted that starts: "someone posted this a couple of weeks ago and so far it is correct." I can say I personally remember the post before BeefJerky reposted it for everyone, but I don't know who posted it before RyanBBB. As for anything on this board, take it with a grain of salt, but remember it. "To the world you may just be somebody, but to somebody you may just be the world." |
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arkiteque |
When was it proven? | ||
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Posts: 45 (04/04/01 1:00 PM) |
First off, I could give 2 poops what you think of me. I never said I believed it. I do believe it warrants discussion and if you don't want to join in that's fine. I don't know what you're talking about FOB score, but if you measure yourself by what I'm assuming is an internet game, well that's a whole new thread by itself.
Now, when was it proven that this Chicago's inside info was fake? Was it in the post by who we are assuming to be the parent? You have no idea because it was posted by the same user name that posted the original. It was pointed out that the parent and the child had remarkably similar (bad) grammar. But you still put blind faith that the parent is correct and the child is not. I don't know, and I don't care, but this seams to be a pretty in depth analysis for a 14 year old that has trouble putting 2 sentences together. As far as it being false because they did not air the "liz being smart" footage, there are 2 possible scenarios: 1. It never happened 2. It was edited out for some reason Obviously you can believe what you want, but until this theory is proven wrong 100 percent, I will continue to read and contribute to the discussion. Believe it or not Sam, I respect your opinion, as well as everyone else's here. Something you might want to look into. I'll reiterate, if you don't want to discuss this topic then don't. |
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chetbaker |
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Posts: 14 (04/04/01 1:18 PM) |
FOLKS!
there seems to be a great deal of anger dealt towards the posting of this spoiler. i've said before--and i'll say it again! i remember this spoiler popping up just after or just around the time mitchell was booted. it talked about michael getting burned (the spoiler said his shirt catches on fire) it did not mention kimmi getting booted. but it did then go on to give out the information that everyone seems very quick to judge as lucky guesses for the "last two". (actually, it's been for the last three--and michael getting burned is more correct info) if you disagree with the spoiler, then don't jump on this thread. for those who have found it to be TOO prescient in its basic booting info to ignore, then let us be. i'm a pretty level-headed guy and have lurked on this board for a couple of months now. the vitriol expressed against each other is a bit disappointing. it's only a tv show. it seems that hardly anyone can acknowledge anyone else's contributions to this page. every "possible spoiler" (and i believe that the majority of the posters are posting what "they believe" to be GENUINE spoilers) seem to be torn apart with a nasty glee that seems to be at odds with the idea that everyone here is assumed to be working with each other to try and figure this show out. if you can't agree to disagree then don't play together. |
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crochungry |
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Posts: 818 (04/04/01 1:28 PM) Registered User |
Hey Chetbaker, glad to you see you here. I don't remember anything about mike and the fire, but as we've discussed before I definitely remember it was pre episode 5. I still think it said jerri going in epi 5 hence there was no mention of kimmi.
Anyway, some good thoughts from Artique, and you're right, I find it hard to reconcile the fact the guesses were so logical with the fact CS acted like such an ass. BUt Honestly, I do remember when he first started posting and there were so intelligent posts, so I almost buy into the father-son thing. As for CS trying to usurp this spoiler, well, I know for sure I read the first time I saw CS write it well before I ever heard of RyanBBB.(speaking of which, why haven't we ever heard from him on this subject?). I would ask some long time posters to back me up on the CS info but I suspect Vanilla would just say we are all being amish. |
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chetbaker |
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Posts: 14 (04/04/01 1:39 PM) |
thanks crochungry!
i remember it being posted under chicagosurvivor as well. i think this week will be the final test of this spoiler. (although i am a pretty firm believer in this one. if i'm wrong, as i was about the "all about eve" comment--i have no problem humbling eating my hat--with a little salt thank you very much!) for me, the little details aren't so important as the booting and who wins immunity. i subscribe to the idea that as a cameraman, shooting something is one thing. being in the editing room and deciding the final results of what is actually shown is different. we'll see. |
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caannie1 |
Re: Uncle Camerman Spolier | ||
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Posts: 212 (04/04/01 2:00 PM) |
chetbaker...like the way you think and agree completely. Whew!
"To the world you may just be somebody, but to somebody you may just be the world." |
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Unregistered(d) |
Another reason to believe... | ||
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Posts: 0 (04/04/01 2:00 PM) |
The vast majority remember seeing the uncle/cameraman post at least by the episode before the merger, if not before.
Up until the merger, Liz had only shown disdain for Alicia because Liz felt Alicia was bossy. Liz and Roger even thought aloud about voting Alicia off. It was only during the merger episode where Alicia and Liz bond, on their way to the Ogakor camp for Girls Night Out. The uncle/cameraman spoiler predicted that Alicia and Liz "do a lot of detective work to find the cracks." The spoiler was posted at the latest, right before the merger. If the post was written as a joke, it seems to be yet another coincidence that the poster picked Alicia and Liz to be the one's doing detective work together, since we were only shown their animosity before the merger. Why wouldn't the uncle/cameraman spoiler had said a more obvious pair like "Liz and Roger" do detective work, or "Alicia and Jeff" or any other combination? |
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anonemouse00 |
Re: When was it proven? | ||
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Posts: 360 (04/04/01 2:04 PM) |
SamAdams, what the hell is your problem? Why do you have such a strong desire to disprove and flame us "morons" who believe this theory? It's a THEORY, one which I happen to believe is true. That doesn't make us morons. If you don't liek or beleive the theory, then please move on and start your own theory/boards and stop wasting your time, and mine, posting crap calling us morons and fairy tale beleivers. Thank you.
Now, Caannie you're completely right. I also have the March 15 post saved and nowhere does it mention ChicagoSurvivor. I don't even know how ChicagoSurvivor came into the mix. The original UncleCamerman theory was NOT written by RyanBBB OR ChicagoSurvivor. So ChicagoSurvivor can debunk the theory all he wants. His word is no better than you, me, SamAdams or God himself, because neither of us ever wrote the original Uncle Cameraman theory. I find it strange however that no one seems to have an original copy or printout of the original theory, but I do remember reading it way back when. Definately pre-merger but can't remember exact date. I took it with a grain of salt at the time but after the big Jerri coup, I am a believer. Sure the wording and conversations and details haven't panned out, but I think it's the real deal. I also think its strange RyanBBB hasn't reappeared to tell us where he first saw the post and back it up. I think ChicagoSurvivor was sent to falsly debunk the theory by MB and his minions. Finally, I just want to point out once again that last season, someone posted a similar "my uncle/father/brother/gay lover/dog works on Survivor and here's the breakdown." I have it here somewhere in my pile of junk, but the original spoiler was posted around week six and the entire ending turned out to be accurate word-for-word with Hatch winning it all. There are thousands of theories out there, and one of them is bound to be a genuine spoiler. Uncle Camerman? He is the one. Too bad he didn't go beyond the final four... |
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nichedigger |
Re: Uncle Camerman Spolier | ||
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Posts: 21 (04/04/01 2:14 PM) |
I know for 100% fact that the unclecameraman spoiler appeared before episode 7. This isn't vague recollection- it's a fact. I'm not saying this is a genuine spoiler, but I am saying that no matter what you think- it appeared before episode 7 and has so far been right three times in a row. I don't know any other spoilers that have been this accurate- and i'm sure it's a better record than beefjerkeyboy has who claims the spoiler is only two for two. Well just look at my fantsy outback score and you will see it has been right three times. that's 3 for 3 for those who are learning challenged.
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crochungry |
Re: Uncle Camerman Spolier | ||
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Posts: 818 (04/04/01 2:21 PM) Registered User |
Now I know how archeologists feel when debating the past. Hope your right guys because my picks correspond with uncle CBS for the next three even though I think the spoiler itself is crap.
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beefjerkyboy |
Two for two. | ||
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Posts: 2569 (04/04/01 2:28 PM) Registered user |
Thank you crochungry for your posts. According to you, the original UC had Jerri going in episode 5. But according to others, it predicted Mike and Jeff correctly. I agree that UC stuff has been posted since the beginning. However, it seems to change as time goes on.
Since mid-March (ie. pre-Alicia) proof exists of this spoiler's list, which is why I contend it is two for two. The CBS teasers for Ep. 8 had Alicia and Liz doing "detective work". So no proof there. When it predicted details for Ep. 9, it was wrong. BUT, a cameraman might have seen things we didn't and missed things we saw. So no proof either way. To those who claim to have "taken note" or remember the exact order since week 5, can you really say you remember the order of this theory? Can you really recall that it said Jerri before Nick? Without going back, can anyone remember the order of "cbshascrappybenefits"? What about Edina Lester? Or any of the other multitude of spoilers posted here? As I predicted, the Hydra has sprung new heads and is now getting earlier and earlier ... we are now at Mike's burns and heading back to Mitch-Keith tie, which I expect by reply 80. I'm sorry if people think I am impolite for my position, but I am enjoying the thread and hope you are, too. I think it is the debate that has made this post last more than the others. Debate is healthy! I am also glad to see that a couple of people are taking my advice and distancing the spoiler from CS ... good move! Oh well, if nothing else, we all agree this ends with week 12, since it ended at final four. GO NICK! (outwitted, outplayed and outlasted nine players! Even if booted this week, not bad!) |
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SurvivorLover |
Timeline for latest 2 lists... | ||
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Posts: 238 (04/04/01 3:04 PM) |
At the time these spoilers came out (both of them appear between episodes 6-7 after Mike had burned his hands) we already had a bunch of info that was out on the messageboards.
1. Debb friend's list (which already predicted that Jeff was the only possible for ep 7) 2. Kucka votes together (because of Mike's burns) 3. TERK theories flying wild (call it the nice guys win thing or the Christian alliance) When the first of these 2 lists came out (the ChicagoSurvivor one - Jeff/Alicia/Jerri/Amber/Nick/Colby - Final Four of TERK), the final four was listed as TERK and everything that was written fit in with theories that had already been posted on the website. Basically to me it looked as though the person who wrote this (if we assume it is fake) took all of the major theories circulating at the time and put them together to form one complete list which most people who believed in TERK would believe. THEN: 3. Liz/Amber website glitch (call it the HTML spolier) After this is when the second list came out (RyanBBB - Jeff/Alicia/Jerri/Nick/Colby/Tina - Final Four of AERK). This one basically went the same route as the first one, but changed a few people on the boot list. It ends up still following all of the previous theories (including TERK) and then goes on to say that now Tina would be out because of immunity and then the final would be AERK. This then fit the whole Liz/Amber HTML thing as well. What I find the most interesting is that the person who was writing these spoliers kept changing them based on theories that were already out there on the web and modified things to fit them. It seems as if now the 2nd list (RyanBBB) is the one people are talking about, but that one was actually a modification on the original one. I am not saying that this one will not be true, but it was not the original one. One last thought...since at the time that these "spoilers" came out a lot of people really believed these other theories (and they were the most talked about ones - besides that Edina thing), it would make sense for someone to write a boot list based on those theories (if they were going to fake it) because they would get a lot of support from the people who believe in the "good guys" alliance and the Liz/Amber website glitch. SL |
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arkiteque |
The earliest I have | ||
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Posts: 45 (04/04/01 3:19 PM) |
When the tribes merdge, Jeff and Colby are tied with votes. They vote again and their tied. So Survivor rules say that who had the most votes before tonight gets voted off. That would be Jeff. So Jeff is Voted off in ep.7
ALICIA goes next due to the ogakors trying to do a pick of Kucha 1 by 1 thing, but... her and liz do alot of detective work before she goes and they find the cracks. Alicia goes and it seems that they didnt do good and it was gonna continue as 1 by 1 Then, Keith and rodger were talking alot and it scares jerri, she thinks she is next, so jerri trys to get liz to join her as well as nick, but she gets lied to by a smart liz who is with rodger and jerri dosnt see this. keith, rodger, liz and nick eliminate Jerri in ep. 9 Then in episode 10, Keith is now hated by amber who knows she is dead meat now. she gets colby to join her and they try to get nick, which they get, but... keith, tina, rodger, and liz are solid and they rid of nick due when they find this out. they go to get colby, but he wins immunity. nick is gone episode 11 - the keith, rodger, liz, tina combo is strong as ever and they are on a roll, in the immunity, colby, amber, and tina are the last three remaining in the immunity challenge and it is to the fact where whichever of the 2 of colby or amber looses is gone, but tina wins, so its open game. Colby is next booted and he says before he leaves tribal council "when a texan gets outsmarted, dont mess with him, or texas" which is kinda a sore looser bit. episode 12 - would be the obvious of amber going, but she wins immunity in suprising fashion, and due to it, she votes for tina to go. the alliance with tina, keith, liz and rodger know one of them is gone and they go back to basics. amber, helping herself, persuades liz and rodger to vote tina and they do. Tina is gone Final Four is Amber, Rodger, Liz, And Keith This is the earliest version I have of it, unfortunately I did not save who wrote it. I just thought it was interesting and when it started to come true. |
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crochungry |
Excellent Post SurvivorLover! | ||
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Posts: 818 (04/04/01 3:24 PM) Registered User |
Survivorlover illustrates my thinking on the logic here.
At the time of the merge I heavily weighted this info: 1. Debb saying bonded with Jeff 2. Keith and Mike bond after rumoured Kucha favourable Keith comments (indicating some sort of TERK alliance) 3. Kucha stays as a bloc 4. Jerri was hated by ogas in epi 6(tina-Jerri bossy comments, colby water frustration toss, Keith nuff said) 5. Jeri and alicia spend superbowl together So extrapolating. Jeff goes epi 7 based on debb story. To maintain advantage in epi 8 ogas must vote another kucha, strongest is alicia, epi 9, either nick or jerri --this is the toughest guess but based on the animosity for Jerri pre-existing and fact it is safe for ogas to lose 1 plus jerri and alicia bonding requirement, more probible than stealth nick. After that, nick has to go to keep oga advantage. Now in epi 11 colby is logical choice as an immunity threat. so we left with the final 5 and its hard to say who goes, but keeping Keith because of rumour #2, and liz and amber for the html, I say tina goes. Leaving final 4 of amber, liz, keth, rodger Predicting immunities and commenatry I will say was much more difficult. Why does the uncle spoiler tell us Colby wins immunity in epi 10 but not nick in epi 9, if it had I would but way more faith in it. |
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Asp629 |
Adding credibility to HTML? | ||
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Posts: 109 (04/04/01 3:40 PM) |
So does this mean the the HTML-Liz/Amber is the real spoiler?
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arkiteque |
RE: Adding credibility to HTML | ||
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Posts: 45 (04/04/01 3:55 PM) |
I think I missed this spoiler, but what is the Amber/Liz HTML spoiler. Enquiring minds want to know
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Beef Jerky |
clarification | ||
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Posts: 378 (04/04/01 4:11 PM) |
I have favoured this spoiler for some time. Its disappointing that the thread was lost in the great purge as the original post from CS was there.
I have always claimed to see this pre-Jeff. I have to allow for the possibility that I saw it after Jeff but before Alicia so that the tribe's murge part had already happened. My confidence in it was shaken by there being no (shown) Jerri being lied to by a smart Elisabeth. One must allow that a cameraman would see more than we do and would not allocate what he saw to episodes. Therefore some of this may have happened e8. However, I think that Jerri voting Elisabeth rather than someone from her own tribe is a major (but not fatal) blow to this spoiler being gospel. There are some detailed predictions for the next episode that will give us plenty to test the spoiler against: 1. a new alliance of T/E/R/K v. C/A/N 2. Colby winning the IC 3. Nick being voted out at TC I look forward to seeing how it does. I hope it does well just because it "shames the powerful" braintrust.I hope it isn't actually from a cameraman on the show. I hope its some 14 year old kid with bad spelling and grammer correctly predicting the show and plot line from e7 down to F4 in an inspired moment of vision. I'm hoping first crack at the bat, the amish boy hits a grandslam. PS if he is right and Nick is next, the odds of predicting the boot order from before e7 to e10 is one in 5040 (10 x 9 x 8 x 7 = 5040). If it goes the distance, one in 151,200 Did I calculate this right? |
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