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colleenlover |
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yay! -looks great. I have to rebrush up on the past couple episodes, so I'm up to speed.
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glad it is back on track
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Werwanderflugen |
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So, I've just got to say that JFP on last night's episode totally reminded me of the Greg/Probst hug in your Alaska story. Very similar characters,
actually.
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SenseiKreese |
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Ha ha, yeah I was thinking the same thing. What's even funnier is that JFP and Rob C were essentially the same characters on Survivor, and that's the
exact same thing Rob C said the first time he read Alaska. He said, "Hey, Greg was almost exactly like me! How did you do that?" So I guess it was
only fitting that Fairplay got his Greg moment as well.
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colleenlover |
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yeah, I'm a loser -I thought the same thing, "didn't Greg already do this in one of the seasons?"
okay, the hype of the premiere is over, get back to work! |
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colleenlover |
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Just to let you know -I am hanging on every last word of these updates. The newest version reads like a charm. I can't wait to see how it turns out. I
see in this version Tina DOES commit to the Kekos under the condition that the vote goes for Rob. Now I wonder how that sits with Kathy and the others -okay,
they understand Tina's motives, and therefore understand that she probably wants to leave John, Vecepia and Colleen intact so she can go back to them next
round -so do the Kekos just wait and hold tight until Rob leaves and then do damage control? There's a lot of money at stack here -not just for first
place but for the final four slots, compared to the 8-5 slots. Keko will have to cut a deal as a sworn collective to their fourth if they want the motherload
of Burnett's placement money. (I actually think this is where the show falters by offering a sliding scale to advancing players -if say Jury members and
runnerup all made the same amount of money, I think we would see players being a lot more agressive for the milliion -instead being a 25 year old and getting
45, 000 and on tv is just as dazzling as winning a million.
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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I have been following the rewrite as well, and while I've noted several subtle changes, not much had changed in terms of the plot until this last
installment.
While I agree that Tina's insistence on Rob may make some on Keko nervous, it isn't necessarily so she can flip back. Rob will be very hard to live with if his alliance is betrayed and he survives so the insistence could be based as simply as that. Even if Tina is setting up a fallback position, that doesn't mean she'll use it unless she feels she needs to. While the Kekos may not like that they give power to Tina in this fashion, especially Alicia, they don't have a lot of alternative options. Besides, Tina is agreeing to their deal of F3, or at least so they think. Then again, she's Tina, the queen of justification. The interpretation remains open that she's only really offered to force the tie for this vote. If she sticks with them, well then they are honor bound to take her to F3. If she decides to return to a Rob-less Ahi, well then she never actually promised anything beyond that F8 vote. That sounds vaguely like Vecepia (particularly relating to her S4 deal with Kathy), but then again, I'm not so sure that Tina and Vecepia aren't very alike - Tina's just better at forming relationships and more concerned about her image. Vecepia's better at hiding in the background and more willing to bend her means to meet the goal. But that's getting ahead. When Rob finds out he's the target, he'll have to go after Tina. It is really his only play, and that means he'll need Alicia, who may or may not consider it. (At the least though, she'll probably let Rob think she'll go along.) But I still doubt Vee would want Tina out, especially if she felt they had hammered out some kind of understanding. And assuming they would have the chance to discuss it, John would probably go along with whatever Vee decided to do. It would put Vee in a bad position. She doesn't want to betray Rob overtly unless "forced" to by the purple rock, but she doesn't want to chance losing Tina either. |
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SenseiKreese |
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Yeah last night's update was the first one where I really veered off my original episode 9 storyline. I added the whole Tina/Kathy conversation and then
all the subsequent drama over whether to tell Colleen and what Colleen is going to do or not do about it. Even though I was able to keep the basic framework I
had before (which makes things easier), the new sections in the middle really open up where I will be able to go with it this time.
Once I realized that this episode wasn't all about Colleen (as I had stubbornly insisted it was before), it made it much easier to write. Like I said, last time around I was writing towards a conclusion. This time, I'm just writing as it happens. I just sit there and think, "Well what would logically need to happen next?" That's the way I always wrote my old stories, and is one of the problems I've faced since day 1 in doing the rewrite. Once I get an idea of where I want to go in the future, it's very tempting to try and cheat just to get there. So with the latest scenes in episode 9, the following things now need to happen before we go to Tribal Council. * The surfing IC has to happen * Vee needs to have a chat with Rob over what he has missed * Vee needs to talk to Tina * The Ahis need to scramble if they think they are in danger. If they are in danger, how committed are they to all sticking together? And if they aren't in danger, then what's going to happen to the people who were plotting against them? There are three big questions I haven't decided yet when it comes to where this episode is going to go. They are 1) What is Tina's motivation? 2) What does Colleen do with all her new knowledge? and 3) What does Rob do if he thinks he might be in danger? Once I figure out the answer to those three questions, I will know what to do for the ending. Although it gets complicated at that point, because depending on the answers to #1 and #3, it could very well set into motion an interesting chain of events for not only this episode, but the following episode. For example, if Tina really ISN'T playing for the Kekos, but is playing for herself, then you're completely correct in that she very well could flip right back to the Ahis if Rob is no longer there. The statement that Tina isn't really all that different from Vecepia could very well come into play. I haven't decided. By the way, for the first time all story I actually do think I know who the winner might be now. I'm trying not to look too far ahead (because that's how you get into trouble), but I've started to come up with an interesting storyline. No hints though. |
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colleenlover |
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you rotten bastard!
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colleenlover |
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sensei- I have one question, and not that I want it answered, but is in my mind when I read this. During Colleen's depression when Rob finally comes to
her (pre-reward) she tells him that they're all sunk because she KNOWS Tina will turn now. So if Colleen is confident about this, during the Gretchen one
on one scene, is Colleen thinking about a contingency plan? Especially if Colleen is convinced Tina will be making the Ahi group shrink to four. When Gretchen
tells her the news is she feigning surprise? In the previous episode Colleen was planning on chucking Rob and going a fair route with Tina/Frank vs.
herself/John, so is she just feeling bad for Rob and his generosity enough not to keep all her other inroads afloat (Kathy, Gretchen)?
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SenseiKreese |
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Yeah thats a little error I have between the two scenes you have mentioned. She can't be surprised, because she knew it was coming. Don't worry, I
will fix it in the final draft. I haven't done a readthrough from start to finish yet, that's where I would have caught it. But I don't think it
will change the story. All I need to do is change her reaction and it fixes the problem.
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colleenlover |
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oh whew, I thought you were going to change the first scene when she tells Rob she knows Tina will switch now -keep her perceptive. And probably she'd say
in a confessional, "Of course Tina should vote Rob out -I would if I were in her position, and WE deserve it. So, you know, good for Tina." But if
Colleen pretty much knows Rob is gone, would she not already be working on a contingency plan when Gretchen drags her off into the woods? And if Tina notices
then, does she wonder what this does for her position in this new Keko union? "woah, I already told them I'm with them, and now Gretchen is telling
Colleen the same thing -not sitting well with me." Doesn't matter because since John and Vecepia know most likely what is going to happen, Tina will
just say we're even now and let's move on to final four, and keeps her insurance with Vecepia.
I can't wait to see what happens -it's getting really, really good! Great job! |
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veeisforvictory |
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wouldn't it be funny if the last two winners make it to the finals...(hint hint)..j/k.thanks again Mario for the great job!!
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SenseiKreese |
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Maybe they will. :)
I apologize for the fact that I don't post new updates every night. I'm sort of balancing my Hawaii rewrite nights with my Pop Culture blog nights (which I'm doing on my My-Space page). Some nights I work on one project, some nights I work on the other. But I should have Hawaii stuff up again tonight. Just don't expect updates every night for the next few episodes. -Mario |
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colleenlover |
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Looks really good. Wonder if Alicia throwing immunity (at least in her mind) is smart, but I think it is. This is the time to gamble -and she shows Tina,
look what I was willing to give up. Even if Kathy is the target from (largely due to Vecepia) Alicia's mindset,ego will think people are coming after her
because she's so smart and strong.
To who he goes to first before council is iffy -how does he perceive Keko? Does he go to Alicia first as his side ally? Or Kathy from their outside friendship? Tina is a complete deadend for him. Whatever he does, Keko will just think it's a trick with Rob trying to divert their votes in order to vote out Tina or one of them, and probably won't work and they'll play it safe. |
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colleenlover |
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veeisforvictory wrote: This could so easily happen. If Rob goes this round, John and Vee aren't stupid, and neither is Tina (woah, Keko I never promised you anything just
that I'll vote for Rob); Colleen understands why Tina voted the way she did and they deserved it since Colleen betrayed her with Frank -so the Ahi tribe
could easily stay together. Tina has her parachute with Colleen, and Vecepia with John. (Tina doesn't realize how close Vee and John are, and thinks John
and Vee don't realize how close Tina and Colleen are). *And of course, John has his own mini-tie to Colleen. So final four of the last Ahis is pretty
well insured with the power players of Tina, Vee and John. If Tina wins immunity, she'll want John out (to have Colleen and Vee in final three to ensure
her making the final two); conversely Vecepia will want Colleen out to gaurantee herself making the final two.
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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Interesting that you dropped the exchange between Tina and John in the finals of the immunity challenge. Does that mean the exchange between Alicia and John
regarding Tina will also disappear?
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SenseiKreese |
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I cut out the Tina/John stuff for pacing reasons. The immunity challenge was way too long, so it had to go.
Whether it will come up again in the later scene with Alicia and John, I don't know. I haven't written it yet. :) |
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PKFA |
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Any idea on when the full episode nine will be posted? Or am i just looking in the wrong place?
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SenseiKreese |
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I'd guess it will be about a week or so for the final episode. But I don't know for sure.
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