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SNOR7374 |
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I'm starting this one as we could go on and on about this as well as Seinfeld....
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funwithprobate |
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I was going to start this last week or so, but it seemed like no one in the Seinfeld thread had watched this show, which PISSED ME OFF, DAMNIT.
Hooray. Let me begin by asking if you saw the Bob Costas interview with Larry David before Season 3. Larry said that the theme actually came from a California bank commercial, but it so fits the show. Basically, no matter what predicament Larry gets himself into, the minute you hear the theme, you know things will be OK. Also, Larry WISHES that he could be the TV Larry David. Can't wait for tomorrow night. Only issue is that CYE conflicts with Arrested Development, so I'll have to figure something out. Fortunately, they re-run CYE several times during the week so I may watch the original episodes then. Either that or figure out how to use the old VCR.....(joke, sportsfans, just a joke) |
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JonnyFairplay4Prez |
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CURB RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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krabbypatty23 |
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I watch! I read in the SNL book that came out last year that Larry David actually quit/was fired from SNL one Friday and simply showed up again on Monday like nothing happened
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K80Paul |
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Did they send him back home? or let him stay?
What a funny show, he's such a schmo my Tivo is set! |
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krabbypatty23 |
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They let him stay!
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K80Paul |
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funwithprobate |
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OMG. I had to run late into work because I had to finish watching last night's episode (have a presentation today so I had to prepare for that last night and, um, miss the broadcast).
Bookman. Need we say more? The only issue was that Ben Stiller would know that by sneezing into his hands that he shouldn't shake hands. Even I would know that. So, I found that little bit somewhat forced and unbelievable. Ben's reactions were enough of a set up to let us, the home viewers, know that Ben hates Larry like poison. Other than that, an excellent setup episode. Do we know the guy in the wheelchair? I have to look him up because he looks like an australian actor from some movie most of you probably never heard of from the mid-90's, but I doubt that it's he. Now, how many takes do you think they had to do with larry going on and on and on about the bowling ball. That poor actress must have cracked up a million times. Finally, I love how Mel's people were so AGAINST Larry....priceless. I grade this a B+ on account of the Ben issue and I thought that the Chinese partner roughing up Larry was a little "out there." Quote: you left out the best part - who advised him to show up to work on Monday? None other than Kenny Kramer. In the early episodes of Seinfeld, many of the events actually happened to Larry. Supposedly, I think it was Jason Alexander (yes, Britney's husband) who questioned the whole answering machine tape swapping that it was "too unbelievable," when Larry interjected that yes, that was a true story and yes, he actually did it. Maybe this belongs in the Seinfeld thread - oh hell, everyone who reads this also reads the Seinfeld thread so it's de facto there anyway.... also, he quit because he got pissed off (imagine that) because yet another of his skits was dropped and I think he quit during the Sat. evening dress rehersal? Anyone with the SNL book please confirm - I could leave the office and go home and check, but, eh, someone out there will know. They always do.... Edited to add: nope...the guy in the wheelchair/cart isn't who I thought might have been. |
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krabbypatty23 |
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I didn't buy the book, I borrowed from the library. And I returned it before Mr Bookman had to come looking for it
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funwithprobate |
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Quote: So did you watch last night's episode with Bookman? also, you should get it. I still find myself going back to it just to read certain things like how much of an asshole Chevy Chase was. And as much as I like Ben Stiller, they don't paint a pretty picture of him after 9/11. |
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krabbypatty23 |
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I was already falling asleep during CYE, didn't manage to stay awake for the late epi of Seinfeld. I TIVO'ed CYE and SATC so I could rewatch all the details I missed that the super sharp OSTS critics would be posting today
The holidays really take a lot out of you! |
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LeesaBeesa |
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Quote: "Gonna be the least of his problems" Larry talking about "Tang's" name. |
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funwithprobate |
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Quote: Don't get me wrong - I thought the whole sequence with Larry being a PITA with the names and then almost getting his ass kicked was hilarious. All I'm saying is that it was "out there." |
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funwithprobate |
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Here's an article from Newsweek (via TVTattle) all about CYE. Also, if you're reading closely, you'll pick up a little piece of Seinfeld trivia that I never knew (many of you may have known it, but I didn't, so it qualifies as newsworthy, I suppose for me):
Happy Go Larry Why isn't this man smiling? Larry David is happily married, filthy rich and the comic genius behind the funniest, most daring show on TV, 'Curb Your Enthusiasm.' Other than that, things couldn't be worse By Devin Gordon Newsweek Jan. 12 issue - He is going to hate this piece. He hasn't read a word of it yet, obviously, but his ambivalence is in the air somehow. For example, there was the time he said, "I'm going to hate this piece you're doing now." It was June 2003. HBO had persuaded (OK, begged) Larry David to allow a NEWSWEEK reporter to spend two days with him on the set of "Curb Your Enthusiasm," the Emmy-nominated comedy series he writes and stars in. On the show, which began its ingenious fourth season on Sunday, David plays himself: the curmudgeonly, whiny, kvetchy and now fabulously wealthy cocreator of "Seinfeld." His declaration came during a break in shooting. "I just hate reading what I have to say. I find it boring. And I'm called a lot of names in these pieces that I don't really agree witheverything in the 'curmudgeon,' 'whiner,' 'kvetcher' family." Of course, David was smiling as he said all this. He's that rare breed of guy who's happiest when he's unhappy. Six months later, NEWSWEEK checked in with David to see how the new episodes turned out and to ask if the magazine's presence on the "Curb" set was as painful for him as it seemed. "Unbelievably painful," he said, laughing. Was it this reporter or would someone else have been just as bad? "No, no, you in particular. You're just a very uncomfortable person. And you make others uncomfortable. You didn't know where to stand, how to posture yourself, stuff like that." But a set visit is nothing compared with the NEWSWEEK photo shoot he'll have to endure: "Oh, that will be 10 times worse. Nothing can compete with a photo shoot in terms of pain and discomfort." Nothing, that is, except a truly great episode of "Curb Your Enthusiasm." For the uninitiated, "Curb" is like a triple shot of "Seinfeld" without the chaser. It's dark, misanthropic and endlessly inventive. David has written instant-classic episodes about terrorism, incest survivors, Christian Scientists and Hitler. How does he get away with such gall? The fact that the show's on HBO, where advertisers hold no sway, doesn't hurt. But mostly it's because, in every episode, no one gets it worse than Larry. "This show digs into the complexity of modern life in a way that's almost uncomfortable," says producer Larry Charles. "It's about the id unleashed, and there's something cathartic about that." Based on the new season's first four episodes, David intends to keep bringing the pain. Sunday's premiere launched two marvelous story lines that will stretch the length of the season. Larry and his TV wife, Cheryl (played with sublime patience by Cheryl Hines), will celebrate their 10th anniversary in three monthsa date that nicely coincides with "Curb's" season finaleand we learn via flashback to 1994 that the two have struck a provocative deal: if they make it to 10 years, Larry can have sex with another woman. Once. Meanwhile, at a karaoke bar, Mel Brooks (played by Mel Brooks) sees Larry onstage and, though he has no evident talent, offers him the lead role in "The Producers," his Broadway megahit. David's costar is a deeply unamused Ben Stiller. Later on, other big-name guests will appear, including David Schwimmer and none other than Jerry Seinfeld, who'll turn up in an episode set in Manhattan. "But don't blink," David warns, declining to elaborate except to say that the brief cameo wasn't planned. The comedian just showed up on the set one day. That's right, "Seinfeld" fans, he did a pop-in. On a chilly, overcast morning in Malibu, Calif., David, 56, is milling around the patio of TV Larry's Spanish-style home. He's practicing his golf swing and, to no one in particular, singing "Put a Little Love in Your Heart." Contrary to prior media accounts, David seems totally at ease. Only his curious posture hints at the man you'd expect: from his knees up, his body tilts back five degrees, as if he's grown accustomed to people shouting in his face. Because "Curb" is largely improvisedDavid maps out the plot, but not the dialoguehe's clearly trying not to think about his upcoming scene. Now, before recounting what happens next, we must note that David is maniacal about people revealing plot details. He has many reasons for this, but what they boil down to is, it ruins everything. In his pocket, David always carries a three-by five-inch booklet that outlines the current episode. Only select people working on "Curb" get a copy of the outline; during the show's first two seasons, Hines, David's costar, was not one of them. In other words, even this brief anecdote may be agonizing for David. So as a courtesy to him, please don't read the next section. In a midseason episode, the Davids have hired a Native American named Wandering Bear to do yardwork, and Larry is trying to persuade Wandering Bear to demand more money for work he did at the house of Larry's agent, Jeff (Jeff Garlin). WANDERING BEAR (resisting Larry's exhortations): There's an old Indian saying: "What goes around comes around." DAVID: That's Indian? Really? I always thought that was, you know, American. WANDERING BEAR: Could be. Maybe it's German. As soon as director Robert Weide yells "cut," everyone busts up. The "Curb Your Enthusiasm" production is stocked with people David has known for ages. Weide tried in vain 20 years ago to produce a script by David called "Prognosis: Negative," about a toxic bachelor who reunites with an old flame when he learns she has cancer and is going to die soon anyway. Larry Charles was a top producer on "Seinfeld." Garlin is an old stand-up pal. David's relationship with HBO is even older. Chris Albrecht, the network president, lived across 43d Street in Manhattan from David and gave him wee-hour slots at the Improv, the comedy club he ran in the 1970s. "Larry was his own worst enemy onstage," Albrecht recalls. "He would get frustrated. He was cerebral. But all the comics would rush in from the bar to watch him. He was the comic's comic." After "Seinfeld," for which he reportedly netted $242 million, David wrote and directed a movie called "Sour Grapes." Making it was a blast, he says ... until the critics hammered it. He returned to stand-up and made a behind-the-scenes mockumentary about the process for HBO. It went so well that Albrecht asked him to turn the idea, minus the stand-up, into a series. "I remember the day we were deciding the name of the show," says Garlin. "We were ordering food and someone said, 'Larry, do you want any soup?' And Larry said, 'No, no, soup's too distracting.' I thought that's what we should call the show: 'Soup's Too Distracting.' It was the funniest thing I'd ever heard. You're not gonna order soup because it's too distracting? Who's had this problem? But that's Larry." Ultimately, the final name for the show came from David. It's both a warning to viewersi.e., "don't expect too much"and a plea from David to humanity. "When people get overly excited about something, it's horrible," he says. "It's like a public display of affection without the affection." As the series swung into production, David thought it'd be a breeze. He'd do 10 episodes a yearas opposed to the 23 required for a network seriesand it would take eight months, tops, leaving him four months off a year. As it turns out, writing 10 episode outlines takes David so long that he has to start on a new season the moment he finishes the previous one. "I'm working all the time," David says. "It's 51 weeks a year. I'm working more days on this show than I did on 'Seinfeld'." Is that OK? "No! It's not OK at all!" He laughs. "It's the opposite of OK!" The end of "Curb," he says, is definitely in sight. There will be a fifth season, but only David knows if the show will last beyond that. And even he doesn't know yet. These days, though, David really, truly is enjoying himself. "Once the writing is out of the way, it's a big relief," he says. "And let's not discount the fact that I'm acting here, which is fun. Having people scream and curse at you?" David smiles. "That's fun." His "Curb" pals also believe that family life has settled him some. With his wife, Laurie, an environmentalist, he has two children, ages 7 and 9. "The Larry I knew 20 years ago was a lot closer to the Larry on the show," says Weide. "But there are still the idiosyncrasies. Like, he's got this great house with an ocean view, so you go over there and you say, 'Wow, it must be great to wake up and see that view.' And Larry says, 'Eh, after a couple days, who notices anymore?' But then there are the little things that make him so happy. Like discovering a shortcut to the airport. He'll talk about it for hours." The next day on the set, at TV Jeff's house in Topanga Canyon, is a beautiful summer day. In this scene, David is chased out the front door and down the street by Jeff's dog, which Larry has ... oh, let's say, angered. As he runs out the door, Jeff's wife, Susie (played by the incomparable Susie Essman, every "Curb" fan's favorite supporting player), shouts one of her trademark streams of obscenity and it's off to the races. The crew, however, is having trouble timing the dog's pursuit. It's been seven takes, and David's hamstrings are starting to scream. On the next take, the dog gives out. It doesn't even chase Larry. "It should make you feel good that you've got more endurance than the dog," says Charles, as David limps back. "You're like John Henry." After a quick rest, David tells Weide he's got one more 40-yard dash in him. The ninth take looks good, and from down the road David shouts, "Yes? No?" Weide shrugs. "Yeah, that timed OK." "Oh, come on!" David cries. "Where's the enthusiasm?" Smile, everyoneit's back. ******************** Talking to Larry David's friends and colleagues--and, frankly, to David himself--one gets the impression of a man who doesn't enjoy much of anything. According to David, that's "not entirely true," so NEWSWEEK asked him to come up with a few things he does enjoy. Off the top of his head: A GOOD JOKE "When you're a comedian, you're supposed to be funny. So the worst thing for me is not being funny." A GOOD STEW "A nice peasant stew, I like. That's good food." GOLF "I like golf. Eh, well, I suppose I like it, but do I enjoy it? I don't know. I can't say it really relaxes me. I'm not even thinking about my surroundings, and how pretty it's all supposed to be. I'm just thinking about how I screwed up my last shot, and how I'm going to screw up my next one." LEAVING THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE "Finishing an appointmentI enjoy that. I'm exhilarated by that." Tie: BEING FIRED and GETTING DUMPED BY A WOMAN "It's true. Very much so. I enjoy it when things come to an end. Because then you move on to something else." |
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Unregistered(d) |
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FWP, be proud of me. I watched my first CYE episode last night after Sex and the City. It made me chuckle, but I think it might take an episode or two before I warm up to it.
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funwithprobate |
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Quote: I saw that and was going to respond in due course. I was out of the office for a bit and have some work catch up to do before I do the Board catch up. I know that some of you are thinking as you read this, "Where in the hell are your priorities?" Well, you're right, and I'm ashamed. I'll try to do better later this afternoon..... |
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funwithprobate |
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Quote: One of the best expressions that I've ever heard about CYE is that it's Seinfeld on acid. It will take you a few episodes to get hooked. Or, more importantly, it will take you a few episodes to get over the shock and horror of Larry's situations. One theme that you will see that is pure Larry David is that each scene is important because something in the particular scene will come back to bite Larry on the ass later in the episode. It's always best to watch an episode with a pillow handy because there are moments when you just can't watch. You can't watch but you can't take your eyes off of the show. Congrats on losing your CYE virginity. Here's hoping that it turns into a full fledged addiction for you. |
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krabbypatty23 |
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I always admired the way he tied up the loose ends, or the way you say it is even better, everything does come back to bite him in the ass!
And I have to say that I usually surprised by the way he brings the story back around. It is so NOT a formula comedy with a predictable end |
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funwithprobate |
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Quote: interesting choice of words, because I almost posted, but then deleted because my posts are already way too long winded (like this one), that what I love about CYE is that the improv nature prevents it from following the predictable sitcom formula of line, line, line, joke, canned laughter, change scene (that's really what I wrote before but deleted - check my computer...you'll see...). Even at times, Seinfeld ran into this trap in some of the poorer episodes (homework assignment - someone find me a really crappy Seinfeld episode and you'll see this occur). |
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krabbypatty23 |
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What can I say, two great minds.......do something
I'm just so happy I finished my book report project in time for the 7:30 showing of Seinfeld, I think I'll have a drink |
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funwithprobate |
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Quote: nope...while that is like "open season," I can't do a comeback to that...must be on best behavior lest I misquote you again. |
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