No one came to his funeral. Jack was surprised Kate didn't show, but Kate brushes off the question. You're looking at the disintegration of the love triangle. And even with Sawyer gone, it seems no relationship can be reclaimed.
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UrbanCenter |
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J as in James, Sawyer's real name.
No one came to his funeral. Jack was surprised Kate didn't show, but Kate brushes off the question. You're looking at the disintegration of the love triangle. And even with Sawyer gone, it seems no relationship can be reclaimed. |
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Sawyer's daughter and girlfriend would be there. Furthermore, after everything that they went through on that island, I would expect every single one of them to show up if one of them died.
Unless there was a turn of events after the island that turned Sawyer into a pariah. But I just don't see it. He is constantly misunderstood, but not evil. Actions of his that seem on the surface to be harsh - telling Kate he hopes she's not pregnant or he doesn't want her with him, killing Locke's dad, etc. - but there are good reasons. His heart always was in the right place. |
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James Ford is Sawyer's real name. However he might be using an alias off the island as he could be a wanted man. Same with Kate for that matter.
How forward was the flash-forward? Was Sarah's pregnancy her first, in that she was pregnant when Jack left, and they were on the island for 90 days or whatever before the rescue? |
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hootchiecootchie |
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My theory is that the producers just clipped out a newspaper article to use for a prop and didn't realize that you dorks had such high definition televisions.
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UrbanCenter |
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Sawyer is still a pariah in modern society. And it's not like his death would be broadcast to everyone's television. He dies quietly and alone. It was merely a freak accident that Jack had been going over the obituary.
Thematically, this show portrays Sawyer as going down a path of self-destruction. His self-image is rattled after the murder of his father. Sawyer wants to go back to the camp, even without guns. But during his journey, he further detatches from several of his friends, Kate and Hurley. Sawyer is grateful for Hurley's drive-by, but closes the door, signaling Hurley not to play the hero. Sawyer takes on the more dangerous role. And then he kills an other who had "surrendered," and from his experiences with his father, we might assume this will further degrade Sawyer's positive self-image. Against the casket scene, Jack is asked by Kate why he cares so much about Sawyer. She talks about how Sawyer is pretty detatched and wouldn't return Jack's favor. Jack says he loves her which we might interpret as him putting her welfare over whatever selfish needs he may have. Jack goes to the funeral, and has to re-ask himself why he likes Sawyer and whether he's a "friend." If Jack says friend that explains why Jack is present at his funeral. If Jack says "not a friend," that signals he's still enamored with Kate and the possibilities in her life. Jack answers "not a friend." Sawyer is more a friend of a friend, a possibility of a woman he loves' happiness. That happiness didn't materialize. So he calls Kate in a state of confusion. |
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pinkdolphin |
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I am pretty sure they are aware of how screen shots are used to pick apart the episodes. This is the third year.
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dannystultz |
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I wouldn't be surprised if it's Sawyer. Notice Kate didn't say Sawyer's name she said "HIM". Maybe Kate hooks up with a new guy in the next few seasons.
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aslanscubs |
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^^^^ Or returns to her husband? She IS still married to him, right?
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dayzdnconfuzd |
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Quote: I think we are being led to believe it's Sawyer, but it probably isn't. For the last 3 years, one of the biggest storylines has been "Who is kate going to pick, Jack or Sawyer". do you think they'd just let it out of the bag just like that? I think in the end she picks neither, and the 'him' that she has to get back to might even be that cop she was in love with and had to leave in a prior flashback. Quote: I think we're beginning to see that right now, actually - with the last few episodes beginning with Locke bringing him to kill his dad, his standoffishness, Kate questioning why it seems as if he doesn't care about anyone or anything anymore, and his killing that other after he had surrendered. |
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SospanBach |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ....... Jeremy Bentham was an English jurist, philosopher, and legal and social reformer. He was a political radical and a leading theorist in Anglo-American philosophy of law. He is best known as an early advocate of utilitarianism and animal rights who influenced the development of liberalism. He invented the Panopticon. The Panopticon is a type of prison building designed by English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the late eighteenth century. The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe all prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a "sentiment of an invisible omniscience." In his own words, Bentham described the Panopticon as "a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example." ......______________________________________________ The original Jeremy Bentham was influenced by John Locke. Jeremy's stuffed body (with wax head) is displayed in a cabinet at University College, London. My sister-in-law had to pass by it every day when she studied there. At one time the original mangled head was displayed too. If the person in the casket hung themsleves from a "beam" (the word beam appears in the obit according to some posters) then perhaps they would also be decapitated. |
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Aunt Pappy |
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Now that's just creepy!
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Hard to speculate on who it is with this show. My gut says Ben. But I would expect him to die on the island one way or another. The thing that stuck me was the size of the coffin. It seemed a little short to me. Not quite big enough for a tall man, but still to large for a child. It might have just been the perspective but the size seemed somewhat off.
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BiggSteve777 |
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Quote: Or it could be their son... that she needs to get back to that is. |
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jlayo |
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Quote: I think this is the most accurate theory so far. |
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indiekid26 |
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Great so it's this Jeremy Bentham guy we haven't even fucking met.
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Wickershamb |
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I just randomly thought that perhaps it's a character we hadn't met, but who was on the flight 815.
What if all the people on the flight were dying off in the order they WOULD have died off on island? Ali Larter and Devon Sawa can co-star. |
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karen1407 |
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Quote:I heard on the radio that the cell phone Jack uses was introduced in 2006. Make what you will of that. They crashed sometime in '04. |
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pickledsquirrelnuggetss |
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When the Funeral director asks Jack if he is friend or family, I swear Jack answers "either", not "neither". I watched it a bunch of times and it does not sound like "neither" to me. Also the way he moves his head, if he had said "neither" people tend to slightly shake their head when they say it. I seem to be the only one that thinks this though.
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After originally thinking it was Sawyer, I'm starting to think it's Ben, and the "him" Kate was referring to is Sawyer.
Why would Jack be so upset over Ben? As the two leaders they were, they could very well have bonded after the Big Bad Boat does whatever Ben was warning Jack about. Maybe we find out that Ben isn't neccesarily evil, but is in a way protecting all of them...and Jack becomes closer to him after this ordeal. |
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The Heartbreak Yid |
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I doubt it's Sawyer. In fact my thought is that when Kate told Jack something like "HE will be wondering where I am", the He was Sawyer.
Also, if it was Sawyer, kate wouldnt have said "why would I have gone", as she has been througha lot with him, despite how their relationship ended. Michael or Locke would have been a safer bet. |
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