He is THE one.
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Simon Barrsinister |
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I do believe Hurley sports only 4 toes on one foot.
He is THE one. |
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Angela in WI |
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this is my theory on the whole situation. Oceanic 815 went down in the water and everyone died. The people on the island however, were not on Oceanic 815. I
think these people were handpicked (mostly because they have nothing really to live for) and are in an artificial world or virtual reality.
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Angela in WI |
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There's definitely something going on with the time-space continuum. Remember when Jack said about the Red Sox, "I can't believe I haven't
seen a game in 100 days..." or was it 90? Anyway, I have a feeling the physics guy is going to say later "What do you mean? It's 2008..."
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thailand caffeine |
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I should watch Season 2 & 3 just to catch up but it takes so long.
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Mister Hooper |
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Zonker wrote: I think Jack and Kate will wake up in bed with Bob Newhart after a night of cheap beer and bad chinese food. Just saying |
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MrsSoares |
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phantomkp wrote: OMG... I have been so TEMPTED to visit in there again... and that fuckers always at the top of the list... it's like waving a joint in front of me and
telling me I cant have it... um... if I smoked weed and that... yeah.
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Alpha 0Mega X |
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Yeah I just want to know this makes sense
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CC1018 |
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Angela in WI wrote: Maybe it didn't register since the Sox won in '04, just after the crash occurred, and again in '07 - 100 days or so ago in present time. How lucky for the writers that the Sox didn't wait another 86 years or they really would have screwed up the script. |
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Energy Dome |
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I don't get how any theory will explain things adequately, at least with regards to time. Mostly because the island has a sun. I assume it's the same
sun as in the real world. Making suns is hard unless you have a Truman Show thing happening. If it's the same sun then a day is a day is a day. Then
there can be no differences in how time passes in the two places.
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Micronesia Princess |
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Alternate parallel dimension?
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Energy Dome |
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I don't like parallel dimensions. That lets parallel people do parallel things, although maybe slightly differently. In the long run there would be too
much divergence between the parallel universes yet in sci-fi stuff the prallel realities are often very much the same except for a few different things here
and there. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit!
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phantomkp |
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Dont worry, its not parallel...its a loop! :P
And not "dimensions" but just varients in the time loop. And more exactly, its not even a loop...just one big ball of time and space that encompasses the past/present/future all at once...rather than linear track where the past is dead and gone and the future is unwritten, a linear track than can have a parallel...its not a linear track! Its a constant ball. ;) Which means brand new varients in the past or future can alter the present...and vice versa. Which makes it appear to create parallel dimensions...when it really isnt that at all! The Island is the conduit that allows these varients to take place and for things to alter from what was originally supposed to be. Thats one of the things that's great about the island! |
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EmmaPeel |
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I'm crazy about this comment from "Vozzek69" who posts at DarkUFO...it's about The Constant, but it's really about a GUT:
"Alright, the way I see it we've got two possibilities here. The first, and most likely, is that we've just been handed one of the failsafe keys to unlocking the overall mysteries of LOST. Then again, the possibility always exists that the writers are playing sick, twisted mind games with us. But this late in the game? Not a chance. I think for once we got solid answers. Things I Noticed: I am your Density! It's hard to notice stuff when your jaw's lying on the floor, but this episode was really that good. Watching Desmond's consciousness catapult back and forth across eight years of his life should've been confusing… it should've been way too crazy to follow, way too far out to make much sense to people. Yet when you think about it, the writers of LOST have been gently herding (Shepharding?) us along, building us up, preparing us for this exact moment for over three years now. All of the answers weren't just thrust upon us simultaneously in one season (cough… Heroes!… cough…) as if we, the audience, were a bunch of eager simpletons impatiently banging the table for immediate answers before switching over to 24. No - the writers and producers of LOST really took their time telling this story. They told it with great sets, beautiful scenery, incredible writing, and deep characterization. And this is why it so totally rocks the balls off any other television show. That said, I'm not going to go into the metaphysics of inter-dimensional time travel, wormholes, or any of the technical crap we might've seen on Danny's blackboard. Everyone else can do that. I'd get the science part wrong anyway, and discussing the theory itself is much more interesting. I'm also not gonna point out the ultra-cool painting and origins of the Black Rock (which I loved by the way), how Penny's dad needs to buy the ledger in order to track it to the island, or the really great scene between Desmond and Penny that was a much-welcomed relief from all the Sawyer/Kate/Jack stuff. You all saw the episode, you all noticed it too. Good night, future-boy! The Lawnmower man is one hell of a pilot. I barely hold my heading over the Long Island sound on a clear day but Frank's laser-locked onto 305 through towering thunderclouds culminating in a nasty time storm. But it's not the storm; it's the dusk-to-day landing wigs Sayid out. Looks like 31 minutes is out the window here. When Sayid finally does get the chance to speak with Jack, they're speaking live but about a day apart (island time). It seems the definitive answer is that time does move slower on the island than in the real world. But is there a day-to-day (relative) difference? My gut instinct is no. I tend to think that no matter how long they spent on the island, they would've arrived back to the freighter at about the same time they left. Watch the crewmember's reaction after Frank exits the chopper: "What are you doing back?" - almost as if the chopper team had just departed. Which makes sense, because looking for a black island against a black ocean (which was when the Naomi's team showed up) would be a lot less sensible than launching such a mission in the light of day. In either event, Desmond goes Marty McFly, and that's the real story. This time we get to see a reverse trip as a very confused past Desmond is launched into his future situation. The "only the consciousness goes" part was extremely clever, but even more revealing. If examined closely and open-mindedly, this one phenomenon can decode almost every inexplicable part of the show. More on that in a minute. The biggest shock to me was how innocuous the freighter turned out to be. The crewmembers weren't bristling with guns, nor were they even overly hostile. In fact, there seemed to be a complete lack of discipline or direction on the ship. My opinion of Minkowski turned from evil overlord to strapped-down radio operator in the blink of an introduction. I saw no chain of command. You'd think if someone from (drumroll…) The Island had made their way back to the ship, there would be some kind of serious interrogation. Instead there was a perfunctory examination of Desmond's pupils and a general dismissive feeling overall. Even Lapidus seemed to get into it, tossing an obligatory Baghdad reference along with the satellite phone to Sayid. One point twenty-one gigawatts!!! Desmond and Elouise aren't the only ones trapped in a time fart. Daniel himself is skipping around, as foreshadowed by doc Ray's exclamation that "Faraday can't even help himself!" Later on we learn that excessive radiation (or electromagnetism, how convenient) lends to the problem, of which zap-happy Daniel has no shortage. Eventually we see that he's even got an entry in his own log referring to Desmond as his constant, which means that up until he came to the island he was still searching for that one thing or person (wonder where he got that idea from?) to ground him. He found that thing upon meeting Desmond the morning the chopper took off, and was pretty sure that would be the end of his 'problem'… but upon playing cards with Charlotte that night he still hadn't made any progress. Perhaps the act of helping Desmond reach his own constant, Penny, will finally 'unstick' Danny once and for all. Also skipping through his lifetime is Mikowski, who's virtually an expert by the time they find him. I found his "I was just on a Ferris wheel" line interesting, because like everything else in LOST a Ferris wheel goes round and round and always comes full circle. Mikowski threatens the same thing will happen to his crewmates when they "go back to that island". And you know who else got a nasty case of the jump-through-life crazies? Rousseau's entire crew. This could very well be the 'sickness' she referred to so early on in season one. Look at how bat-shit nuts Desmond went in the chopper - now imagine Danielle's entire crew acting like that while she's trying to "shhh!" them as the smoke monster stalks the jungle and the Others pick off whomever they feel are on Santa's list. Kinda puts a new spin on that whole scenario. While we're at it, let's think back to Juliet's arrival by sub. Was it coincidence they knocked her out for the trip through the time barrier? Or by relieving her of her consciousness as she passed through did they save her from any of Daniel's so called 'side effects'? As Ethan said, it's a hell of a ride. Totally Jauntish, if that's the case, but then again I'm a firm believer you can draw a Stephen King reference to your morning stool if you looked hard enough. finish reading here...it's really worth consideration |
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Emma - Awesome post - I agree w/ everything you say! Thanks for saying it so well! I surmised the same thing about Reusseux's team too - Scientists exposed
to magnetism / radiation... Sickness... Death... Seems to fit
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PoChop |
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I'm not convinced that the island only exists a day or so in the past - or the future. If you're going to allow for a time difference it's just as possible the island time is years different. That could be decades, Millennia, or even millions of years! Once you have a wormhole or whatever there really isn't a limit. We really haven't seen any "modern" era animals like mammals unless they were brought to the island by the Dharma Initiative (polar bears, cows, chickens, horse, real or imagined). I think there was a wild or feral pig but they could be on the island from the DI or from what appears to be an earlier civilization (big foot, temple) assuming they can reproduce. The rest of the animals are very prehistoric in origin like the shark, the noisy frog, or even the nasty coma spiders. There was the Hurley bird which appeared to be prehistoric looking although it may have been imagined. There seem to be lots of modern seabirds but they could probably find their way to the island by accident. Didn't Doc Arzt marvel at the ancient bugs on the island? I wonder if Faraday will also notice "extinct" species or other hints that the island exists in the past or future. Not sure what the smoke monster is. It could be some X-File type ancient life form that never left a fossil. Or it could be something invented by the Dharma Initiative. It may even be something left over from the ancient island civilization like spirits of the dead, or the spirit of the island. Regardless, there don't appear to be any smoke monsters in the real world. Now if the island exists in any distant or future time there's no reason why day/night cycles need to be synchronized at all. But a real world effect is that days are constantly getting longer (as the moon also moves away from the Earth) due to tidal forces/friction and energy losses (angular momentum is conserved so the moon is forced to a larger orbit). I'd like to think that the writers will explain any day/night unsychronizations to be explained by this fact. From w-pedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day The Earth's day has increased in length over time. The original length of one day, when the Earth was new about 4.5 billion years ago, was about six hours as determined by computer simulation. It was 21.9 hours 620 million years ago as recorded by rhythmites (alternating layers in sandstone). This phenomenon is due to tides raised by the Moon which slow Earth's rotation. Because of the way the second is defined, the mean length of a day is now about 86,400.002 seconds, and is increasing by about 1.7 milliseconds per century (an average over the last 2700 years).Faraday is our scince dude on the island. So I could see Farady actually measuring the length of a day and noticing it's not 24 hours. Or looking at the moon and noting that it appears to be much larger or smaller than what he's accustomed to. He already mentioned that light scatters differently on the island but why? Well, it could be that in a different time the spectral output of the sun was slightly different. More reds or more blues. Maybe more or less ultraviolet. Younger stars will emit more bluish light and more ultraviolet radiation. |
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M1OOO |
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My theory: On the show, there is a writer's strike and the show stops and nothing gets explained
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bxwl9 |
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Just running through all of the number references again... What is interesting about the bering of 305, is that 305 is referenced previously in our little Lost
story... on the inscription on Eko's stick, that eventually leads the gang to the Flame station, "Lift up your eyes and look north John 3:05"
Hmm.
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Aloha Oe |
Who is Ben's "constant"? | ||
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Despite all the reports of the decoy plane being put there by Widmore, I say I believe last week's episode when someone told someone that BEN put the decoy
plane down there. I believe Ben to be evil to the core.
Now if Ben can travel to and from the past, present, future without harm, does it not stand to reason that if you could find out what his "constant" is ( like Desmond being Jeremy's constant for time travel and Penny being Desmond's) that if you could discover ben's, you could remove that constant and Ben would be trapped? I think his constant is his daughter and he sent the mom, daughter and boyfriend out to get rid of the mom and boyfriend so that nothing would interfere with his "constant" being with him at all times. He doesn't care about his daughter, just that she is useful to his time travelling ways. |
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BarbH918 |
Ben's Constant | ||
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Why would his daughter be his constant? We have had no indication that she is/has been a part of a different time period. Let's present instead - Richard
Alpert. Richard was there when Ben was a boy - that time he was lost in the forest - jump ahead and now he's an Other. Charles Widmore could also be his
constant. Charles could've been on the island as a rival for his "Annie's" affections.
Or, not... |
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bxwl9 |
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BarbH918: Charles could've been on the island as a rival for his "Annie's" affections.This makes me wonder, who is Penny's mother? |
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