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Kitty Pryde1		#21	[-]
Posts: 10882 (11/11/09 8:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Earl, because he would survive the early rounds by being a relatively strong, the middle rounds by being relatively weak, and the later rounds by being not overly likable to the point of being a jury threat. And then he'd win by being a man.
ilovekelly752		#22	[-]
Posts: 326 (11/11/09 8:35 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AveryC wrote: Definately Earl. He's good at all facets of the game and doesn't stand out as a threat despite it. For the women, I'd say either Danni or Vecepia. I definitely agree with Danni. Earl had help with the idol, though, and Vecepia had a bitter jury. They might win any time they play, but I think Danni is more likely. Good call.
unduli clone		#23	[-]
Posts: 7788 (11/11/09 8:44 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ooh, Danni is a good one. Earl may do differently in a season where he went to all his TC's at the beginning (where men survive) and then skipped out the late pre-merge TC's (where men die). The HII that he and Yau-Man had also helped quite a bit.
PrettyGoodYear1988		#24	[-]
Posts: 2924 (11/11/09 8:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm not sure the Hidden Idol helped Earl that much. It was really Yau-Man's, and Alex and Mookie didn't even figure out Yau-Man had it until Episode 11. I think, in general, I would bank on a strong middle-aged man to win Survivor. People like Yul and Tom, though, run too much risk of being perceived as threats and getting taken out. Earl, while strong enough to not get targeted pre-merge, isn't a challenge monster and doesn't have a very impressive physique. In fact, in all aspects of the game Earl seemed to have a great balance and was very level-headed. I really can't see how he wouldn't make F4 in every season he played in. Not interesting television, but a very ideal player.
ilovekelly752		#25	[-]
Posts: 327 (11/11/09 9:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote: I'm not sure the Hidden Idol helped Earl that much. It was really Yau-Man's, and Alex and Mookie didn't even figure out Yau-Man had it until Episode 11. I think, in general, I would bank on a strong middle-aged man to win Survivor. People like Yul and Tom, though, run too much risk of being perceived as threats and getting taken out. Earl, while strong enough to not get targeted pre-merge, isn't a challenge monster and doesn't have a very impressive physique. In fact, in all aspects of the game Earl seemed to have a great balance and was very level-headed. I really can't see how he wouldn't make F4 in every season he played in. Not interesting television, but a very ideal player. Since Earl was left out of the Yau-Man blindside, he might have been the next target if Yau-Man didn't have the idol. He had his own idol that he would've played at five, and maybe have gotten out someone else, but then I think the other three would know that their best chance was against each other, and not Earl.
AveryC		#26	[-]
Posts: 33 (11/11/09 9:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ilovekelly752 wrote: PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote: I'm not sure the Hidden Idol helped Earl that much. It was really Yau-Man's, and Alex and Mookie didn't even figure out Yau-Man had it until Episode 11. I think, in general, I would bank on a strong middle-aged man to win Survivor. People like Yul and Tom, though, run too much risk of being perceived as threats and getting taken out. Earl, while strong enough to not get targeted pre-merge, isn't a challenge monster and doesn't have a very impressive physique. In fact, in all aspects of the game Earl seemed to have a great balance and was very level-headed. I really can't see how he wouldn't make F4 in every season he played in. Not interesting television, but a very ideal player. Since Earl was left out of the Yau-Man blindside, he might have been the next target if Yau-Man didn't have the idol. He had his own idol that he would've played at five, and gotten out, Boo for example, but then I think Cassandra and Dreamz would think they would have an easier time beating Stacey, and I think they'd take her. It would've really become an open field had Yau Man not played the idol. Boo would've won the Final Five immunity challenge (or maybe Stacy I suppose), and Earl would've played his idol. I think either the Cassandra/Dreamz pairing would've been broken up by the other three, or Earl would've gone to the final three with Cassandra/Dreamz. In the case of a Final Two, I believe we would've got an Earl-Yau Man showdown, which would've been very close.
WylDawg		#27	[-]
Posts: 20876 (11/11/09 9:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LOLZ I was coming in this thread to say Earl too. I think he's the single most well-rounded player of all times. Not a master of anything, but competant enough at all aspects of the game.
ilovekelly752		#28	[-]
Posts: 329 (11/11/09 9:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AveryC wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote: I'm not sure the Hidden Idol helped Earl that much. It was really Yau-Man's, and Alex and Mookie didn't even figure out Yau-Man had it until Episode 11. I think, in general, I would bank on a strong middle-aged man to win Survivor. People like Yul and Tom, though, run too much risk of being perceived as threats and getting taken out. Earl, while strong enough to not get targeted pre-merge, isn't a challenge monster and doesn't have a very impressive physique. In fact, in all aspects of the game Earl seemed to have a great balance and was very level-headed. I really can't see how he wouldn't make F4 in every season he played in. Not interesting television, but a very ideal player. Since Earl was left out of the Yau-Man blindside, he might have been the next target if Yau-Man didn't have the idol. He had his own idol that he would've played at five, and gotten out, Boo for example, but then I think Cassandra and Dreamz would think they would have an easier time beating Stacey, and I think they'd take her. It would've really become an open field had Yau Man not played the idol. Boo would've won the Final Five immunity challenge (or maybe Stacy I suppose), and Earl would've played his idol. I think either the Cassandra/Dreamz pairing would've been broken up by the other three, or Earl would've gone to the final three with Cassandra/Dreamz. In the case of a Final Two, I believe we would've got an Earl-Yau Man showdown, which would've been very close. I think if Earl was in the final four without Yau-Man, he would've been voted out, because he can't be beat. That's why Yau-Man was out over him.
OutwitOutplay		#29	[-]
Posts: 54 (11/11/09 10:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WylDawg wrote: LOLZ I was coming in this thread to say Earl too. I think he's the single most well-rounded player of all times. Not a master of anything, but competant enough at all aspects of the game. Agreed. If my money was on the line, I'd go with Earl.
menelaus		#30	[-]
Posts: 473 (11/11/09 10:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I would go with Todd or Parvati. Earl feels like he lacks the ability to be particularly cut throat, since he was in the majority the entire time during Fiji, and he also had one of the greatest goats ever in Dreamz. Earl would not be able to strategically keep up with Todd or Parvati. While Todd and Parvati are both not too strong in challenges, they would almost never be the absolute weakest in their tribe, and their excellent social and strategic games would allow them to work themselves into the majority before they became targets.
ilovekelly752		#31	[-]
Posts: 330 (11/11/09 10:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think a lot of people are saying Earl because he happened to win. There are a lot of people who fit your guys' exact descriptions of why Earl would win, and if they would've won, people might be saying it about them too. You guys said that he was good at the game but not a mastermind, that he was not too weak and not too strong, and that he was likeable but not too likeable, and I think there are several non winners who fit that exact description. Look at Greg from Borneo, Ryan from Pearl Islands, Gregg from Palau, or Erik from China. They're not similar to Earl at all, but they all fit your descriptions of why Earl would win every time. If they would've won, they might be getting just as many responses.
ilovekelly752		#32	[-]
Posts: 331 (11/11/09 10:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	menelaus wrote: I would go with Todd or Parvati. Earl feels like he lacks the ability to be particularly cut throat, since he was in the majority the entire time during Fiji, and he also had one of the greatest goats ever in Dreamz. Earl would not be able to strategically keep up with Todd or Parvati. While Todd and Parvati are both not too strong in challenges, they would almost never be the absolute weakest in their tribe, and their excellent social and strategic games would allow them to work themselves into the majority before they became targets. perfect post, imo
Shred		#33	[-]
Posts: 1 (11/11/09 10:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ethan is a pretty good middle player, almost on the same level as a Earl, so he would work pretty well. Jenna M would work also, she was gonna be the last All Star winner if she had not quit. So yeah.
AveryC		#34	[-]
Posts: 36 (11/11/09 10:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ilovekelly752 wrote: I think a lot of people are saying Earl because he happened to win. There are a lot of people who fit your guys' exact descriptions of why Earl would win, and if they would've won, people might be saying it about them too. You guys said that he was good at the game but not a mastermind, that he was not too weak and not too strong, and that he was likeable but not too likeable, and I think there are several non winners who fit that exact description. Look at Greg from Borneo, Ryan from Pearl Islands, Gregg from Palau, or Erik from China. They're not similar to Earl at all, but they all fit your descriptions of why Earl would win every time. If they would've won, they might be getting just as many responses. It's not that Earl was average at everything, I'd say he excelled socially and strategically. But Earl was good at everything whilst not standing out. That's quite different from the others you listed. Borneo Greg was completly indifferent to the strategical elements fo the game, while Ryan and Erik were both passive contestants who hid behind their tribe leaders. Infact that describes all three, once Gretchen, Andrew and Jaime were gone none of them had any idea. Gregg I'm inclined to think would be usually targetted around the mid game. I agree he's a solid person to make the merge. Earl was running things in Fiji, he had the valuable Yau Man and Cassandra/Dreamz connections but made it so they were targets over him. There was a bond with Boo which wasn't really shown. He set himself up beautifully. Only Gregg could come close to achieving what he did out of those you listed. Danni had a very similar game that would've played out had she been in the majority. And I imagine Earl would play similarly to her if he was in the minority.
ilovekelly752		#35	[-]
Posts: 332 (11/11/09 10:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AveryC wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: I think a lot of people are saying Earl because he happened to win. There are a lot of people who fit your guys' exact descriptions of why Earl would win, and if they would've won, people might be saying it about them too. You guys said that he was good at the game but not a mastermind, that he was not too weak and not too strong, and that he was likeable but not too likeable, and I think there are several non winners who fit that exact description. Look at Greg from Borneo, Ryan from Pearl Islands, Gregg from Palau, or Erik from China. They're not similar to Earl at all, but they all fit your descriptions of why Earl would win every time. If they would've won, they might be getting just as many responses. It's not that Earl was average at everything, I'd say he excelled socially and strategically. But Earl was good at everything whilst not standing out. That's quite different from the others you listed. Borneo Greg was completly indifferent to the strategical elements fo the game, while Ryan and Erik were both passive contestants who hid behind their tribe leaders. Infact that describes all three, once Gretchen, Andrew and Jaime were gone none of them had any idea. Gregg I'm inclined to think would be usually targetted around the mid game. I agree he's a solid person to make the merge. Earl was running things in Fiji, he had the valuable Yau Man and Cassandra/Dreamz connections but made it so they were targets over him. There was a bond with Boo which wasn't really shown. He set himself up beautifully. Only Gregg could come close to achieving what he did out of those you listed. Danni had a very similar game that would've played out had she been in the majority. And I imagine Earl would play similarly to her if he was in the minority. Earl was a very good player, but I think the fact that people so easily were drawn to him makes me wonder how he would've done against smarter players. Other winners had to try hard to fight people who were trying to takt them out, but since no one ever targeted Earl, he didn't have to do as much, although I do think he is one of the better winners based on gameplay.
ilovekelly752		#36	[-]
Posts: 333 (11/11/09 10:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Shred wrote: Ethan is a pretty good middle player, almost on the same level as a Earl, so he would work pretty well. Jenna M would work also, she was gonna be the last All Star winner if she had not quit. So yeah. I thought about Ethan, and also maybe Aras.
AveryC		#37	[-]
Posts: 37 (11/11/09 10:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ilovekelly752 wrote: AveryC wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: I think a lot of people are saying Earl because he happened to win. There are a lot of people who fit your guys' exact descriptions of why Earl would win, and if they would've won, people might be saying it about them too. You guys said that he was good at the game but not a mastermind, that he was not too weak and not too strong, and that he was likeable but not too likeable, and I think there are several non winners who fit that exact description. Look at Greg from Borneo, Ryan from Pearl Islands, Gregg from Palau, or Erik from China. They're not similar to Earl at all, but they all fit your descriptions of why Earl would win every time. If they would've won, they might be getting just as many responses. It's not that Earl was average at everything, I'd say he excelled socially and strategically. But Earl was good at everything whilst not standing out. That's quite different from the others you listed. Borneo Greg was completly indifferent to the strategical elements fo the game, while Ryan and Erik were both passive contestants who hid behind their tribe leaders. Infact that describes all three, once Gretchen, Andrew and Jaime were gone none of them had any idea. Gregg I'm inclined to think would be usually targetted around the mid game. I agree he's a solid person to make the merge. Earl was running things in Fiji, he had the valuable Yau Man and Cassandra/Dreamz connections but made it so they were targets over him. There was a bond with Boo which wasn't really shown. He set himself up beautifully. Only Gregg could come close to achieving what he did out of those you listed. Danni had a very similar game that would've played out had she been in the majority. And I imagine Earl would play similarly to her if he was in the minority. Earl was a very good player, but I think the fact that people so easily were drawn to him makes me wonder how he would've done against smarter players. Other winners had to try hard to fight people who were trying to takt them out, but since no one ever targeted Earl, he didn't have to do as much, although I do think he is one of the better winners based on gameplay. It sort of goes both ways. Winners like Earl and Tina set themselves up so well it really wasn't an issue for them. Likewise I consider Tom the show's best winner, and he was able to deflect away attention in the times he wasn't immune. I'd also say that most of the Fiji cast had a strategy to get to the end, unlike several other seasons. Perhaps the best thing about Earl in this topic is that he has the proven ability to bond with any kind of player. Other winners were only able to endear themselves to certain kinds of people.
McPhever224		#38	[-]
Posts: 380 (11/11/09 10:55 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Parvati
PrettyGoodYear1988		#39	[-]
Posts: 2926 (11/11/09 10:58 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I actually think Earl's win is pretty impressive. Fiji may have had one of the most unlikable casts ever, but they weren't a dumb cast. The season had several big alliances, all of which consisted of competitive players (Moto 5, Four Horsemen, Earl/Yau-Man/Cassandra/Michelle). In fact, once they got down to the Final 11, the game really became a battle of several competing alliances. Earl was able to draw in bottom rung members of other alliances (Boo/Stacy, Dreamz) into his alliance and keep them all trusting him.
ilovekelly752		#40	[-]
Posts: 335 (11/11/09 11:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AveryC wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: AveryC wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: I think a lot of people are saying Earl because he happened to win. There are a lot of people who fit your guys' exact descriptions of why Earl would win, and if they would've won, people might be saying it about them too. You guys said that he was good at the game but not a mastermind, that he was not too weak and not too strong, and that he was likeable but not too likeable, and I think there are several non winners who fit that exact description. Look at Greg from Borneo, Ryan from Pearl Islands, Gregg from Palau, or Erik from China. They're not similar to Earl at all, but they all fit your descriptions of why Earl would win every time. If they would've won, they might be getting just as many responses. It's not that Earl was average at everything, I'd say he excelled socially and strategically. But Earl was good at everything whilst not standing out. That's quite different from the others you listed. Borneo Greg was completly indifferent to the strategical elements fo the game, while Ryan and Erik were both passive contestants who hid behind their tribe leaders. Infact that describes all three, once Gretchen, Andrew and Jaime were gone none of them had any idea. Gregg I'm inclined to think would be usually targetted around the mid game. I agree he's a solid person to make the merge. Earl was running things in Fiji, he had the valuable Yau Man and Cassandra/Dreamz connections but made it so they were targets over him. There was a bond with Boo which wasn't really shown. He set himself up beautifully. Only Gregg could come close to achieving what he did out of those you listed. Danni had a very similar game that would've played out had she been in the majority. And I imagine Earl would play similarly to her if he was in the minority. Earl was a very good player, but I think the fact that people so easily were drawn to him makes me wonder how he would've done against smarter players. Other winners had to try hard to fight people who were trying to takt them out, but since no one ever targeted Earl, he didn't have to do as much, although I do think he is one of the better winners based on gameplay. It sort of goes both ways. Winners like Earl and Tina set themselves up so well it really wasn't an issue for them. Likewise I consider Tom the show's best winner, and he was able to deflect away attention in the times he wasn't immune. I'd also say that most of the Fiji cast had a strategy to get to the end, unlike several other seasons. Perhaps the best thing about Earl in this topic is that he has the proven ability to bond with any kind of player. Other winners were only able to endear themselves to certain kinds of people. I don't think Todd, Danni, or Parvati fit that last description. Those winners, especially Todd, were friends with everyone, and they all formed several different alliances, and manipulated them all until the end. I think they all had smart casts too. I think Rafe, Stephenie, Peih-Gee, Jaime, Amanda, Natalie, and Cirie are all great players, so it was harder for the winners of those seasons to get along with all of them and manipulate them at the same time. I think they all set themselves up for the win very early, but still had to overcome people trying to take them out. Danni also had to overcome losing tribal challenges. Last Edited By: ilovekelly752 11/11/09 11:12 PM. Edited 1 times.

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