Lets start it.... Dan vs Dr. Will

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mundo446		#181	[-]
Posts: 1106 (09/17/08 5:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You can't really compare them, but they are the two best players ever.
Judas Goat		#182	[-]
Posts: 168 (09/17/08 5:48 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	mundo446 wrote: You can't really compare them, but they are the two best players ever. Yes but Dan > Dr. Will
joeyrd1027		#183	[-]
Posts: 565 (09/17/08 6:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Don't think you can really compare Will and Dan in terms of gameplay. Too many differences in just the general aspect of the game, such as no PoV in BB2 for Will. But if you want to take into consideration that BB7 he got 4th place, you also need to point out that he never won any competitions and had a reputation going into the game, Dan didn't. Dan on the other hand played a solid but was saved a few times throughout, Will in his season survived by his own force for the most part and that kind of gameplay probably could never be replicated. Simply too many differences in the seasons, but to me Will > Dan. Also I just never liked Dan =/
BMH69		#184	[-]
Posts: 6025 (09/17/08 6:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I can't believe that people are even questioning Miss Jun's capabilities in the game and if she was a good winner. The audacity! I'm not sayin' she is Dr. Will or anything but bitch was fierce at the game. She was the only houseguest smart enough to capitalize on the X-factor twist and align with Jee right from the very beginning. She also put up a good front to make it look like they were never aligned. She did an excellent job of floating around the house and staying in good with EVERYONE. She cooked up a storm and bided her time until she upped her game and took on the strategy of keeping your friends close but your enemies even closer (i.e. aligning with Aliskank). She used Jee for all he was worth and then threw him out on his ass and he STILL voted for her to win. She made a lot of excellent moves and I would put her up there only behind Dr. Will and Dan. She was a very good winner. People can agrue ALL they want about Maggot being a good winner...and I agree I think she OWNED the BB6 house like no other. BUT...I just can't bring myself to fully call her a great player when she herself never admitted to being a manipulative conniving mind-controlling cult leader. She never owned up it. She played dumb right up until the end and refused to admit she was 'that' type of player. Maggie was too 'holier than thou' and too much into trying to portray being a good person that she never admitted to being the type of player that we all KNOW she was. That reason alone knocks her down a few pegs..at least IMO. But back to the subject at hand...Like I said...Dan needs to do BBAS2. Until then Dr. Will still owns him.
The Marquesan Godfather		#185	[-]
Posts: 10937 (09/17/08 7:08 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Will had no POV, plus banners destroying his Chilltown alliance. He also made it to a forth place finish in ASS. Will > Dan jmo
Nods		#186	[-]
Posts: 2607 (09/17/08 7:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Marquesan Godfather wrote: Will had no POV, plus banners destroying his Chilltown alliance. He also made it to a forth place finish in ASS. How did no POV hurt Will? His big play at the final four would have blown up in his face with a Hardy win or he would have gone into the three having to win.
April R		#187	[-]
Posts: 6451 (09/17/08 7:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BMH69 wrote: I can't believe that people are even questioning Miss Jun's capabilities in the game and if she was a good winner. The audacity! I'm not sayin' she is Dr. Will or anything but bitch was fierce at the game. She was the only houseguest smart enough to capitalize on the X-factor twist and align with Jee right from the very beginning. She also put up a good front to make it look like they were never aligned. She did an excellent job of floating around the house and staying in good with EVERYONE. She cooked up a storm and bided her time until she upped her game and took on the strategy of keeping your friends close but your enemies even closer (i.e. aligning with Aliskank). She used Jee for all he was worth and then threw him out on his ass and he STILL voted for her to win. She made a lot of excellent moves and I would put her up there only behind Dr. Will and Dan. She was a very good winner. People can agrue ALL they want about Maggot being a good winner...and I agree I think she OWNED the BB6 house like no other. BUT...I just can't bring myself to fully call her a great player when she herself never admitted to being a manipulative conniving mind-controlling cult leader. She never owned up it. She played dumb right up until the end and refused to admit she was 'that' type of player. Maggie was too 'holier than thou' and too much into trying to portray being a good person that she never admitted to being the type of player that we all KNOW she was. That reason alone knocks her down a few pegs..at least IMO. wow.. that was a great post and I couldn't agree more. Maggot would get a lot more credit if she owned her shit. So until then, the two boys and Jun are the top 3 players in my book
RomCen		#188	[-]
Posts: 17377 (09/17/08 7:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BMH, great post! People don't give Jun enough credit and some people give Maggie too much. That's the difference between these two, IMO. Jun owned up to gameplay and Maggie never did. And since she didn't, it just goes to show that her being the head of the friendship cult was NOT a conscious game playing thing, it was just Maggie being herself. Or to bring it down to the lowest level of analysis, Jun rules and Maggie drools.
tdugan333		#189	[-]
Posts: 6772 (09/17/08 7:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BMH69 wrote: I can't believe that people are even questioning Miss Jun's capabilities in the game and if she was a good winner. The audacity! I'm not sayin' she is Dr. Will or anything but bitch was fierce at the game. She was the only houseguest smart enough to capitalize on the X-factor twist and align with Jee right from the very beginning. She also put up a good front to make it look like they were never aligned. She did an excellent job of floating around the house and staying in good with EVERYONE. She cooked up a storm and bided her time until she upped her game and took on the strategy of keeping your friends close but your enemies even closer (i.e. aligning with Aliskank). She used Jee for all he was worth and then threw him out on his ass and he STILL voted for her to win. She made a lot of excellent moves and I would put her up there only behind Dr. Will and Dan. She was a very good winner. People can agrue ALL they want about Maggot being a good winner...and I agree I think she OWNED the BB6 house like no other. BUT...I just can't bring myself to fully call her a great player when she herself never admitted to being a manipulative conniving mind-controlling cult leader. She never owned up it. She played dumb right up until the end and refused to admit she was 'that' type of player. Maggie was too 'holier than thou' and too much into trying to portray being a good person that she never admitted to being the type of player that we all KNOW she was. That reason alone knocks her down a few pegs..at least IMO. But back to the subject at hand...Like I said...Dan needs to do BBAS2. Until then Dr. Will still owns him. I absolutely agree with you. Jun kicked major ass and is in my all time top three fave winners of BB along with Will and now Dan. I completely agree with you on Maggie too. Own your motherfucking evil. Will did, Dan did, Jun did; Maggie did not. As for comparing Will and Dan can't do it. Two different eras, two different games, two totally different people. eta: Oh and Will will always and forever be the master of BB. No contest. Last Edited By: tdugan333 09/17/08 7:37 PM. Edited 1 times.
McWolcott		#190	[-]
Posts: 8950 (09/17/08 7:33 PM) The Real American Psycho Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My other reason for saying Will over Dan is that Will orchestrated Boogie's win in All stars. Boogie would not have even been there if Will hadn't insisted to the producers that he be cast.
James Barber		#191	[-]
Posts: 14051 (09/17/08 7:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Marquesan Godfather wrote: Will had no POV, plus banners destroying his Chilltown alliance. He also made it to a forth place finish in ASS. Will > Dan jmo The CT alliance destroyed itself through the odd decision to act like they were much better than everyone else in the house, even though there were only three of them. I also don't know if having no POV was bad for his game. The inclusion of POV in All Stars basically ended Will's game. I think BB2 Will was a better player than Dan, and most of the winners, but I also think Will had his share of lucky breaks and game mistakes, as any winner has had. He was also fortunate to be in a house full of dumb players, as has been the case for most of the winners. He gets the most attention because he most eagerly embraced his bad boy label, many fans hated the people he beat, and he was an attractive man. My other reason for saying Will over Dan is that Will orchestrated Boogie's win in All stars. Boogie would not have even been there if Will hadn't insisted to the producers that he be cast. I'd give Erika more credit than Will. Will got Boogie on the show, but I think he wouldn't have been too broken up over a Winelle F2.
McWolcott		#192	[-]
Posts: 8952 (09/17/08 7:52 PM) The Real American Psycho Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah, plus I enjoy Will on Dr 90210 so he's still in my mind on a weekly basis. I just dig the guy, he's funny and weird and smart. Dan is definitely my second fave winner though, by a mile.
drinkinghotchocolate		#193	[-]
Posts: 30151 (09/17/08 8:08 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I also don't know if having no POV was bad for his game. The inclusion of POV in All Stars basically ended Will's game. I don't know about that. Sure, at the very end, POV was the demise of Will. But he made it to the Top 4 that season regardless of POV. And lets not forget, he not only had a reputation going into All Stars, he was the ONLY former winner there. AND made it to Final 4, AND his buddy won. Dan who?
James Barber		#194	[-]
Posts: 14053 (09/17/08 8:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't know about that. Sure, at the very end, POV was the demise of Will. But he made it to the Top 4 that season regardless of POV. My point was that not having POV was not bad for his game. And lets not forget, he not only had a reputation going into All Stars, he was the ONLY former winner there. AND made it to Final 4, AND his buddy won. Being the only former winner there was probably more of a benefit than a drawback. The usual famewhores who make up BB casts were drawn to him, and there was much less of a target than if a slew of former winners had been in the house, which would have made them targets of resentment or an easy excuse to nominate two of them. Will was a very good player, but he had as many advantages as he did disadvantages, particularly in All Stars. All Stars was piled up with people who had nothing going on in their lives and were just waiting for offers of money or job opportunities. They were eager and waiting for CT to make them feel special. It's like what people said at the time -- I wonder just how long Will would have been in that house if Jun or Maggie had been in there.
SurvivorArctic		#195	[-]
Posts: 11202 (09/17/08 8:21 PM) Not a team player Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	See, this is why I hate these stupid threads. Some of us enjoyed Will's win, some of us enjoyed Dan's win, and yes! some of us enjoyed both. Seriously, Dan =/= Will and vice versa. They are completely different types of players and this comparison bullshit is just that - bullshit. Just enjoy the fucking win and let it go.
The Smoking Nun		#196	[-]
Posts: 1764 (09/17/08 8:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Blatantly Oblivious wrote: Big Brother has evolved since Dr. Will. Recent players for the majority are students of the game. Will is the professor! Dan was very very good, but there can be only one and that is Will! X
swim4life227		#197	[-]
Posts: 4821 (09/17/08 9:07 PM) OMEDETO, CATHY!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Will is the original. There is no comparison. It's kind of like Richard Hatch, he taught everyone how to play the game. It really comes down to the fact that Will was there first. He thought of it first and even though someone else would have done it if not him, he is still the first and the best. Will formed Chilltown and even though I hate him and Boogie, they are damn good players. It's just annoying that we have to have a wannabee chilltown every season. I mean we had the exact same final 2 as last season and nearly the same outcome. It's funny because the naysayers bitch about there always being a blond bombshell redux each season. However, we have had four bromance winners. Have we have a blond bombshell winner? no so stfu. I can't believe some people think he's the best just cuz he won with the most votes ever. That's the most ridiculous way of measuring a quality winner. By those rules, I guess it actually means Lisa is the best winner because she got 9 votes (and very likely America's tiebreaking vote)! Also for Survivor, Earl is the best winner ever! Since Richard only won 4-3, he is amongst the worst winners evah!!!1111
James Barber		#198	[-]
Posts: 14056 (09/17/08 9:19 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I mean we had the exact same final 2 as last season and nearly the same outcome. Aside from having the same gender, I don't know exactly what Dan and Memphis had in common with Adam and Ryan. Will formed Chilltown and even though I hate him and Boogie, they are damn good players. Boogie was an awful player the first time around and a good but not great player the second. However, we have had four bromance winners. Have we have a blond bombshell winner? no so stfu. If people shouldn't lump all the blonde women together, why should they lump the four bromance winners together? The first season was a public vote. The other three F2 were all very different types of players. I never hear anyone saying that Maggie/Ivette/Jun/Allison/Lisa/Danielle were all the same, yet over and over any time two men are in the F2, the response is that this happens all the time. People were even rooting for Jerry to win solely because he wouldn't be "predictable". I can't believe some people think he's the best just cuz he won with the most votes ever. That's the most ridiculous way of measuring a quality winner. It's not any more ridiculous than saying Dan was a bad winner because he isn't Will, or Dan was a bad winner because the players this season were stupid, or Dan was a bad wnner because it was rigged. Everyone comes up with reasons that someone is going to consider ridiculous. Last Edited By: James Barber 09/17/08 9:22 PM. Edited 1 times.
El Pooper		#199	[-]
Posts: 123 (09/17/08 9:29 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My personal rankings, based on how much credibility it could buy me on this message bored: 1. Jun (yea right) 2. Dr. Will 3. Dan 4. Boogie 5. Maggie 6. Adam 7. Lisa 8. Drew 9. Evel Dick (yea right) 10. Who?????
JaMalle		#200	[-]
Posts: 4204 (09/17/08 9:51 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BMH69 wrote: I can't believe that people are even questioning Miss Jun's capabilities in the game and if she was a good winner. The audacity! I'm not sayin' she is Dr. Will or anything but bitch was fierce at the game. She was the only houseguest smart enough to capitalize on the X-factor twist and align with Jee right from the very beginning. She also put up a good front to make it look like they were never aligned. She did an excellent job of floating around the house and staying in good with EVERYONE. She cooked up a storm and bided her time until she upped her game and took on the strategy of keeping your friends close but your enemies even closer (i.e. aligning with Aliskank). She used Jee for all he was worth and then threw him out on his ass and he STILL voted for her to win. She made a lot of excellent moves and I would put her up there only behind Dr. Will and Dan. She was a very good winner. People can agrue ALL they want about Maggot being a good winner...and I agree I think she OWNED the BB6 house like no other. BUT...I just can't bring myself to fully call her a great player when she herself never admitted to being a manipulative conniving mind-controlling cult leader. She never owned up it. She played dumb right up until the end and refused to admit she was 'that' type of player. Maggie was too 'holier than thou' and too much into trying to portray being a good person that she never admitted to being the type of player that we all KNOW she was. That reason alone knocks her down a few pegs..at least IMO. But back to the subject at hand...Like I said...Dan needs to do BBAS2. Until then Dr. Will still owns him. Wow wow wow what an awesome post... I love Maggie to death, but yeah I wish she'd own it and admit that she was an amazing cult leader of weakminded people (how in the WORLD did the Friendship beat the almighty Sovs?????...Maggie). Dan>Will>Jun>Maggie best winners, and I'd probably even say players in BB history. I won't bother reading any other page though in this thread, because it's probably filled with nonsense and fantards... lol But bravo on the great post.

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