It's official: California is underwater

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PassionatePiscesMan		#41	[-]
Posts: 7907 (07/01/09 1:09 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	They are huge boon to those who hire illegals at low wages and then don't pay the taxes.
UrbanSprawl		#42	[-]
Posts: 2039 (07/01/09 1:11 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	merkyl wrote: And first generation and second generation immigrants have been proven to pay MORE into the system than they take out. Totally false. Nope, just your bigotry speaking. And in a 2007 report, the White House Council of Economic Advisers asserted that, over the long haul, immigrants end up paying off: The long-run impact of immigration on public budgets is likely to be positive. Projections of future taxes and government spending are subject to uncertainty, but a careful study published by the National Research Council estimated that immigrants and their descendants would contribute about $80,000 more in taxes (in 1996 dollars) than they would receive in public services. That's 80,000 dollars per person. A great investment for any state.
Zzunk		#43	[-]
Posts: 5607 (07/01/09 1:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	UC, you weren't even born when Prop. 13 passed. Parts of it was badly needed, but it had it's flaws, too. The people who voted it in were concerned that property taxes were escalating at the same rate of the price of homes -- 5 to 10 percent a year. It simply rolled back the real estate values (bad idea) and restricted the tax to 1% (should have been 1.5%). Most people did not understand that it bound the legislature on other and future tax issues -- this is why ballot measures should only be one topic!! Still, Californians keep electing people to their legislature that are bleeding heart liberals that have no sense of financial responsibility. Blame the inept voters for electing inept legislators. If there was ever a time for a Republican revolution in California, it's now.
merkyl		#44	[-]
Posts: 61690 (07/01/09 1:17 PM) Registered loser Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Perhaps you should head over to dictionary.com and look up "likely", "projections" and "uncertainty". And one study does not "proven" make. Even someone who pretends to be smart like you should know that, child molester.
Licorice		#45	[-]
Posts: 1768 (07/01/09 1:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Annoying Hater wrote: Prop 13 isn't even an issue, the Dems are just using it as a scapegoat to save their asses. The reason for California's budget woes is ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Our education, healthcare, transportation, criminal, welfare, etc. cost have all gotten way out of control because of them. I think everyone across the entire political spectrum is to blame.
UrbanSprawl		#46	[-]
Posts: 2040 (07/01/09 1:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Proposition 13 is fundamental if you're talking about the current economic breakdown. By getting rid of local taxes (pushing power away from local districts to Sacramento) and by tying the hands of state bureaucrats at either raising taxes or passing budgets, you make it impossible to respond in emergencies or respond to deficits. State bureaucrats are only as accountable as the power they yield in the state- which isn't very much because the people have taken the majority of that power away. As for a republican revolution in California. We already had that in replacing Gray Davis with Arnold Schwarznegger. There are a lot of Republicans cheering on for the state to fail (and casting votes to aid in the failure of the state) to prove to themselves that their government-is-a-perpetual-failure-machine ideology correct. But I think this is more emblematic of everything that's wrong with republicans (and partly what's wrong with the state government) than what's right.
Monsieur Muggles		#47	[-]
Posts: 7559 (07/01/09 1:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Arnold had no say over the economy (what initiated this catastrophe in the first place). Gray Davis was awash in money with the dot-com boom money and still managed to be a failure.
UrbanSprawl		#48	[-]
Posts: 2041 (07/01/09 1:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A huge part of our deficit is due to Schwarzenegger's cutting of the vehicle licensing fee. So he too is largely responsible for the debt.
Licorice		#49	[-]
Posts: 1769 (07/01/09 1:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	UrbanSprawl wrote: There are a lot of Republicans cheering on for the state to fail (and casting votes to aid in the failure of the state) to prove to themselves that their government-is-a-perpetual-failure-machine ideology correct. But I think this is more emblematic of everything that's wrong with republicans (and partly what's wrong with the state government) than what's right. Not only are they sick in the head, they are complete idiots. If they get their wish and everything collapses, do they really think the public will be running to the "do nothing" crowd to save them?
merkyl		#50	[-]
Posts: 61691 (07/01/09 1:48 PM) Registered loser Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So the official retard spin is it's all the republicans in California's fault?
The Annoying Hater		#51	[-]
Posts: 1666 (07/01/09 1:58 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	UrbanSprawl wrote: Proposition 13 is fundamental if you're talking about the current economic breakdown. By getting rid of local taxes (pushing power away from local districts to Sacramento) and by tying the hands of state bureaucrats at either raising taxes or passing budgets, you make it impossible to respond in emergencies or respond to deficits. State bureaucrats are only as accountable as the power they yield in the state- which isn't very much because the people have taken the majority of that power away. As for a republican revolution in California. We already had that in replacing Gray Davis with Arnold Schwarznegger. There are a lot of Republicans cheering on for the state to fail (and casting votes to aid in the failure of the state) to prove to themselves that their government-is-a-perpetual-failure-machine ideology correct. But I think this is more emblematic of everything that's wrong with republicans (and partly what's wrong with the state government) than what's right. You seem to think taxes is the answer to everything. Californians are already the most taxed in the country, our businesses already have the worst tax burden in the nation. The blame for this mess falls 99% on the Dems in this state. They spend and borrow money like there's no tomorrow, and their encouragement of illegal immigration for votes has decimated our budget.
PassionatePiscesMan		#52	[-]
Posts: 7908 (07/01/09 2:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"And in a 2007 report, the White House Council of Economic Advisers asserted that, over the long haul, immigrants end up paying off: The long-run impact of immigration on public budgets is likely to be positive. Projections of future taxes and government spending are subject to uncertainty, but a careful study published by the National Research Council estimated that immigrants and their descendants would contribute about $80,000 more in taxes (in 1996 dollars) than they would receive in public services." I love the way idiots quote this finding. Sure it may be true BUT they say immigration without separating legals from illegals. Illegals for the most part are a heavy tax burden on the average legals.
Monsieur Muggles		#53	[-]
Posts: 7585 (07/01/09 11:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	merkyl wrote: So the official retard spin is it's all the republicans in California's fault? Well, UC is leading the argument.

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