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You are right, the HOH combined with veto holder should be looking to make deals. Adria was, she ran all over the house looking for someone to make a deal with her. What caused her to go mental yesterday is NOBOBY wanted to talk to her about a deal. Both Marvin and Will blew her off, so she lost the opportunity to play the carefully planned "don't put up the nadria unit next week if you are HOH" card.

Actually it was bad game on Will's part. He is confusing integrity with winning. He should have secured the deal, gotten himself saved, and then won HOH and put them up.

However, Will is smart enough to know that karen or nik were going up in his place because their shock and surprise got them revealed Friday and Saturday. With the twins coralling the vote, which is smart, they control the fate of the nominees this week.

But the twins did play that part smart. No one wanted to deal with cowboy and assumed he was a target, so they left him twisting in the wind. Instead, the twins secured his loyalty and created 4 targets for 5 people to go after before they get looked at.

The only dumb move about this was their execution. They should have told the team in advance what they were doing, agreed that marvin was the target since the twins find him vile and disgusting, and called it a week. They would only have 1 pissed off, but resigned jury member. Instead, EGO got in the way (power), and they managed to piss off 4 jury members, which is the majority of the game votes.

So this is why I have been very harsh on the twins this weeik. Most of us wanted them to make it in the house tegether. I was rooting for the successful twist because I knew our pussies needed numbers to get out Jase. The twist happened at the perfect time, right after the first pussy HOH, one of the 2 main jackasses were gone, and then Nik wins HOH to execute Jase. Because this was so critical to the season, in my opinion, I gave the nadria unit a huge pass at their MENTAL basket case pleadings when they were on the block, and was only minorly annoyed with them when they kept their vote to get scott out a secret.

That secret vote alone should have been a huge cyclone warning fog horn signal that they had a problem in their alliance. What we thought was just wishy washy behavior was really a serious power trip over the other pussies.

So all the foreshadowing of this behavior was there, we just were blinded by our emotions that we have invested in other, more imperative moves of the game.

What we thought was Karen just whigging about the nadria unit all through the game because the nadria unit was 2 different people, was really an insightful discernment that there were real loyalty and character issues with this player. However, we chalked it up as another one of Krazy Karen's whigging outs.

We all missed this one coming. I think the ongoing Nadria fan base can appreciate their gaming and appreciate them pulling off one of the biggest twists in reality tv. Those of us who were former fans and now are quite repelled by them, we changed overnight because their true character, WHICH WAS EVIDENT ALL ALONG, came out in spades on Thursday night in the ugliest meannest, nastyiest gossip session I have ever heard in my life. I can go with the best of them, and I would not have been able to keep up with how disloyal, mean, and TRITE their complaints and comments were about THEIR OWN ALLIANCE.

So this is what is up with the venom, anti venom about the nadria unit on the feeds and in the threads of this board. I don't know about other BB5 sites because their are so fawning that they are too sickening to read for too long. The real deal is at sucks, we call 'em as we see 'em.

Well just as soon as you think things are set and the battle lines are drawn in the Big Brother house, the winds of change blow around the corners and surprise us all.

Nothing major happened but I think our hamsters are starting to digest and process their observations and experiences this week.

Drew came out of his coma again today, for quite some time. He actually strung together an intelligible conversation with Diane for an extended period of time. Diane initiated the conversation and told Drew she was not comfortable anymore with the twins. They talked about their impressions.

1) Drew noticed that cowboy is not acting fearful and apprehensive. He knows cowboy from the jackass days and so he correctly draws the conclusion that cowboy has secretly alligned himself with the twins. Drew plans to trip cowboy up when he gets cowboy alone and start out a strategy conversation with "A says" whatever. Based on how cowboy answers that, Drew will confirmation that cowboy has a new allegience. Good plan Drew

2) Diane dropped hints all over the place asking drew to consider if they would be safer with the w/k/n group. She told drew again about the 2 AM whisper session with marvin and natalie and how natalie would not tell her what that is all about. She feels the twins are cutting a deal with marvin.

3) Diane and Drew, although recognizing that they have the numbers if it is just karen and nik left twisting in the wind, they are not really in a strong situation because the twins have a deal with every other group or entity in the house. So that means that Drew and Diane don't really have a strong final 4 agreement

4) Their HOH discussion late last night whigged them out. Adria added little to the conversation and left all the talking and bullying to natalie. They are not comfortable with natalie's aggressive nature towards them. They decided the twins being split up is not a bad thing and they would prefer natalie to go.

5) Drew is not comfortable with will because Will has never discussed game with him. THis is a good call here because I think Will has always assumed that because he was tight with Diane, it went without saying that Drew was OK too.

SO we have this situation where Drew's acceptance into the diane/will/karen/nik was taken for granted by them, and no one specifically told drew, "we have your back". Because the nadria unit has said that, that is why Drew is aligned there, but now having second thoughts.

They felt forcing the tie vote would protect them, but I don't think so, because then Drew would be considered the odd one out of the d/k/n team. Diane and Drew agreed to revisit this again before voting.

Meanwhile, Karen has figured out that since the POV was NOT used in a quick ceremony earlier today, now is the time to make sure the votes are lined up. She knows they have 3, but has just realized that Drew is not a sure thing. Karen and Nik can not figure out why the nadria unit would want to keep marvin when he hates them as deeply as he does (and he does, he never misses an opportunity to diss them), but Karen has accurately figured out that Marvin is acting slightly differently today (flash back to sucksters, remember natalie's late night hints to marvin last night). Because Karen's instincts are screaming at her, she and Will agree they need to individually see Drew. Karen plans to talk to him on Tuesday during the day and Will said he will talk to Drew later in the evening.

The nadria unit has decided that they are going to socialize and kill everyone with kindness because they want everyone to feel good toward them on Thursday. They have obviously worked that plan today, as they have been very visible.

As I type this, Cowboy is expressing his discomfort with the tight drew/diane unit to Adria. He is comparing them to holly and jase and is encouraging them to be split up. Cowboy is reaffirming his allegiance to nadria and kissing adria's ass for saving him this week,

The twin unit is targeting Nik and karen next week, assuming that Will is gone. Adria feels she is the big target and is encouraging cowboy to win HOH to help save the nadria unit. Cowboy is strongly hinting that he wants to split up drew and diane and since he still dislikes marvin, I feel he will nominate drew/marvin rather than karen and nik. Cowboy really wants Will gone, so I don't know if he would instead target karen or nik, their conversation was interrupted.

So of the things we had to watch for from yesterday:

1) Marvin acted just differently enough, more subdued, that it alerted Karen's instincts. Thus Karen is now realizing they have to secure the votes for will.

2) The drew/diane unit is worried about the nadria unit and making contingency plans

3) Everyone in the house is now aware that cowboy is acting just too comforatble to NOT be aligned with the nadrias, so his game is exposed.

4) Diane has not been exposed by w/k/n as being more aligned with the nadria unit. Tomorrow will be crucial there as drew/diane figure out what they want to do.

5) I haven't picked up that the nadria unit is concerned about the loyalty of their twin unit. They have no doubts about cowboy because they mutually suck each other off 24/7.

Tuesday is a conspiracy day, so watch the feeds for whispered conversations, pay attention to anytime Will is talking to anyone, as well as Karen. Watch who Drew and Diane huddle with.

If anything happens on the feeds tonite before I go to bed, I will update today's recap now that our edit function works again.

Hey aero, I know how you feel. This thread was also setup to discussion the feeds and ongoing stuff in the house house for items that don't fit in other existing threads. For some reason people thought it was for recaps only. By all means if people want to discuss the ongoing dramas in the house, especially after reading it in the daily recap, this is a good place for that, if there isn't a good fit in an existing thread already.

Will had "THE TALK" with Drew today, but Drew doesn't believe Will that much. Instead, he had a game strategy talk with Cowboy and they used their collective 2 brain cells and came up with, umm, hmmm, well, hmmm, not sure. That was what was indicated out of Drew's mouth. He then returned to his coma.

Actually the day was a slow day. Diane began the day in a really anxious and snarky mood. We did not know why here at sucks but on another board, someone posted that Diane woke Drew up at 3 AM pacific time and demanded to know what his intentions were outside of the game and after the wrap party. That was a bad move for Diane because she made the unreasonable assumption that Drew could think after being awoken from a deep, deep coma and also required to use a thought process, logic, and THEN coherently express himself in a manner that could be understood by a normal person, let alone an irrational woman flipping out because she has been on PB&J for 2 weeks. Poor Diane, she did not get an indication from Drew what the true status of their relationship is in and out of the game. So she spent the rest of the day in a snarky mood.

Her snarky mood then flipped out the twins, but they contained their concern about their alliance members and only expressed it alone in the HOH throne room. However, they didn't have to be in the HOH throne room for privacy today because everyone avoided them like the plague. Wherever they were, the other hamsters weren't.

Cowboy and Drew held a strategy session initiated by cowboy after the Drew/Will talk today. Cowboy mentioned several times that Marvin will help them get further in the game. Drew asked Cowboy if he feared the twin beasts. Cowboy emphatically said no. Drew, however, did not emerge from his coma to understand that Cowboy gave away his secret alliance with the twins. Instead, Drew coma boy said he feared them and then was frustrated because he didn't know who was lying in the house. Cowboy then lied to Drew and said he never talked game with the twin beasts.

Then cowboy challenged drew about drew's drug induced state caused by his infatuation with diane. Cowboy told drew that he will win HOH next week and he plans to put up diane. He wanted a commitment from drew that he would not veto her off the block. Basically drew gave his word, and cowboy then challenged him on that since he has gone back on that several times in the game. Cowboy used his one brain cell today.

Cowboy dutifully reported his conversation with drew to the HOH twinbeast, as well as the report that Drew and Will were behind closed doors in the cloud room talking today. Cowboy got his daily blow job and was satisfied with his performance as someone's side kick.

Now let's discuss the talk with Will and Drew. Will told Drew he never had him as a target after Jase and Scott left the house. Will was targeting Jase specifically and had to settle for Scott first. Will told Drew he was not part of that plan. Drew said he was disappointed to find out that Will was trashing him. Will assured him that was a lie. Will told Drew he wanted to stay in the house, but did not do a firm job in securing drew's vote to stay. I don't think this talk mattered.

Karen can not figure out why the twins want to keep Marvin after all of Marvin's way. N/K/W just can't face the fact that they are alone in the house. They have not yet figured out the depth of the fracture in the pussy former alliance. They still don't know that Diane is in the twin alliance.

However only the N/K/W helped Diane with her confusion with Drew. They did NOT bad mouth him to her. They told her to take it easy, protect her heart, they think he is a good person, etc.

Natalie went outside and hugged Will in the hammock and told him she loves him and she wanted to say good nite.

Will came into the cloud room highly distressed about that. He feels that was the equivalent of being slapped in the face. N/K/W discussed the votes and just figured out that Adria may evict him with a tie vote. THey still don't know what is hitting them on Thursday.

The twin beasts are simultaneously in the HOH room saying that marvin did NOT defend them from Jase. Marvin had his own agenda and so Marvin didn't do them any favors in the game. So the bitchiness of the twin beasts is out in full force tonite, but I can't stomach their righteous rewriting of history. I am listening to the w/k/n pity party instead.

They are not anticipating the long day tomorrow. Karen is now massaging Will's back to help him feel better.

Peace Out

ETA: Drew and Diane had "the talk" about their relationship, the game, and how the 2 are intertwined and how it complicates everything for FOUR HOURS early this morning, from about 3 am central time to about 7 am central time. So much for sleeping tonite. Way too much for a quick summary, go read the feeds between these 4 hours

Thanks, I really like that song, I heard the words and voice in my head and had a brain fart about the artist.

I know you were joking, I was lamely trying to joke back. SOmetimes the computer written ward is hard to show real expressions.