Is it possible that the events leading up to Jacob's death don't happen next season? I could see Jack and the others that blinked off the plane waking
up on the Ajira Airlines plane and then emergency landing on the small island. It could be something that Jacob meant to have happen to avoid his death by the
hands of Ben. In other words maybe Jacob was just just using an elaborate method to close the loophole. Maybe it's Fate's fate to not find that
loophole. ;) I don't know where the other folks like Miles, Hurley, Kate, etc. would be. Maybe they would also be popped back to the future but to where
the Swan hatch was, or is still partially constructed, or is fully built and functional. It's possible that the DI is still around in the "new"
future with the incident having never happened, and maybe Desmond still got to the island during his race and is now on the island after being accepted by the
DI, or having left via submarine soon after getting there, depending on how that lawsuit goes ;) .
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5/13/09 S5 Finale "The Incident"
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As Obi-Wan said to Vader before being sliced in half "you cannot win-if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly
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And as Jacob said to the dude in black that resembles Richard Hatch (let's just call him Esau)-" I will still be here". |
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Let's hope that if he is still around he's still as hot.
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Posts: 1212 (05/16/09 9:59 PM) Registered User |
PoChop wrote:If the future changes, season's 1-4 are meaningless (and all character development is gone). It's really fucking bold, but I'm not sure the fans will like it. Besides, can that really work with 17 hours of lost left? Do we just ignore all the events in the finale dealing with 2007? I can't see this scenario. Locke is dead (again... still... whatever) and that is a huge reveal. Ben has completely become unhinged, He Who Will Save us just got shanked and pushed into his camp fire, and now Flocke is in charge. As he promised, things are going to change. Quite frankly, I want to see that story progress, not disappear. I hope TPTB agree... |
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Posts: 15607 (05/16/09 11:26 PM) Registered User |
I hope Jacob takes over Juliet's body like Anti-Jacob took over Locke.
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Posts: 826 (05/16/09 11:57 PM) Registered user |
I wonder if Jacob is actually dead.
That fact that we see him in the past manipulating events shows that he either traveled back in time to do this or had knowledge of the future at the time of these events. I'm going with option #2. So if he knows the future, then he knew that UnLocke would find a loophole to attempt to kill him. When he answers his enemy at the beginning of the episode when told "one of these days sooner or later I'm going to find a loophole" he replies "when you do, I'll be right here" in such a way that it makes me think he's already aware of what going to happen to him in 2007... |
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I got the impression that Jacob knew exactly what Esau had planned and wove the threads so it wouldn't matter that Esau completed his plan. Esau is
supposed to think it worked, but something unforeseen by Esau is happening that will negate his efforts. I couldn't help but think of the Phoenix rising
from the ashes as Jacob was pushed into the fire.
Forgot to add that someone on another site speculated that when Jacob touched people in the flashbacks he might have been leaving a small part of himself in them sorta like Voldemort and the horcruxes.
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rewatching:
rewatching: the fire where Jacob is weaving - no wood. Seems to be just ash. hmmm anti jacob looks older - not twins in the usual sense jacob seems cocky still don't know why daniel's last name is faraday really don't care for stu richard is hot "locke" asking about Ben's visit with Alex. hmmmm He should know if he's smokey, right? missed first time nadia asking sayid to "take her home" eloise was the leader at one point - richard doesn't seem to be the leader, but a follower how does rodger now that sayid shot ben? love rose & benard ah missed the break in the ash ring last time - when did that happen? obviously jacob and alana knew each other before weird dog painting in cabin - meaning? bram & alana left clue to go to statue not interested in wipe out jacob doesn't flinch when locke falls out of window "locke" seems confused about jacob living in/under the foot/statue happy to see phil bite it
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how does rodger now that sayid shot ben?
Sayid was in the jail cell and escaped, and little Ben shows up shot. I think he put two and two together and figured the hostile that escaped did it. |
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pleasepassthepork wrote:Why are people asking this? UnLocke was/is pretending to be Locke. And since Locke wasn't in the room with Ben & Smokey he SHOULD be surprised by what what Ben says. At least he needs to pretend to be surprised for Ben's sake. It's also a way for him to re-enforce/push Ben to do what Smokey (He?) said to do. |
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twonyx wrote: And one other important thing... R-O-G-E-R |
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not interested in wipe out 
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Posts: 1228 (05/17/09 12:32 PM) Registered User |
ETA - Never mind, I think the episode description was wrong.
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Hostile6 wrote:They said after the season 5 finale and the season premiere of 6 that we'd have enough info to figure out what this is all about and where it's going. |
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They've said a lot of things. They can be big fat liars.
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Posts: 1597 (05/18/09 5:50 AM) Registered user |
yoshi wrote:It will probably be one of... - Jacob can see the future, and thus is impossible to trap/surprise - Jacob can bring himself back from the dead, unless in a very specific scenario, which I don't know yet :) |
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If Jacob is "good" and therefore similar to God/Jesus and the HS he can "open doors" and encourage people to act like the ship coming to the island, and he ultimatly influenced all of the other choices that brought the losties to the isle. He controlled those situations that we thought of as extraordinary coincidences, like Claire and Jack being sis and brother. If Jacob is dead will he have the ability to rise from the dead-3 days later or whenever? Jesus had to die for others to be saved, so even though he could have stopped his killing - he didn't. Ben was just a pawn in the same way Judas was by IDing Jesus location and allowing others to kill him. So anti-Lockes happy mood when he says he is going to kill Jacob is interesting, he is so full of confidence but if this follows the biblical structure and if it ends how jacob says it will anti has to know that ultimately he will never "win". Just as in Revelation God triumphs in the very end. Satan was just as confident- taunting Jesus on several occaisions. We saw this influence all along and I wonder how much it will continue in this vein or end up a mixture of stories.
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Jacob seems to contradict himself somewhat because he influences others but still makes it seem like their choice. In that way he's a little like Ben.
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Hostile6 wrote:Seen the new Star Trek movie? :) You should. It's really fucking great. |
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No mention yet of the book Jacob was reading while waiting for Locke to take his swan dive?
Everything That Rises Must Converge is a collection of Flannery O'Connor's short stories. According to Wikipedia, in the title story:
"human weaknesses are exposed and important moral questions are explored through everyday situations. Critics view the story as a prime example of
O'Connor's literary skills and moral views. In the story an arrogant young man takes a fateful bus trip with his bigoted mother. The mother
doesn't like to ride the recently racially integrated bus alone. Their relationship shows tensions when a black mother and son enters the bus. Through
irony, the blindness and ignorance of the characters are exposed. The title Everything That Rises Must Converge
refers to an underlying religious message central to her work: aiming to expose the sinful nature of humanity that often goes unrecognized in the modern,
secular world"
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