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Martrae		#61	[-]
Posts: 1794 (05/12/09 2:57 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If you think it's easy to come into a merge outnumbered and manage to get the other tribe to eat themselves without putting any sort of target on yourself, then you really need to play in a few of the ORGs floating around here.
cindidindi76		#62	[-]
Posts: 17812 (05/12/09 3:09 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Or just try to be a wee bit objective. Not that that's a requirement around here, but saying they "floated to the end" is kind of silly.
Damfino		#63	[-]
Posts: 5 (05/12/09 3:23 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I meant together. You do not take your biggest threat to the F2 with you. I want one of them to be there, just not both because to me that means the one who took the other ended on a bad move. That's a good point, though I don't necessarily agree with it since it could easily backfire. However, even so, I don't think it applies or will apply with a Stephen-JT final 2, unless you're suggesting they let Coach reach the end. First off, I don't think you have to worry about Stephen. If he can't take out JT at Final 4, then I think he'll target Erinn (assuming Coach is gone) because she could be an immunity threat and she and Taj may allign with each other over him. Then at F3, if he's the one making the decision, I'm 75% sure he'll take Taj over JT. He knows how popular JT is, and I don't think he loves JT as much as JT loves him. And I'm giving him 25% towards choosing JT because he could rationalize that a) JT did all the apparent backstabbing, b) Taj may be considered just as popular and c) JT would probably be easier to beat in a verbal argument, especially if Stephen can read whether the jury is bitter (and he can blame JT) or impressed with the game play (and he could take credit). On JT's end, I think Stephen (smart) and Taj (well-liked) or even Erinn (being a Timbira facing a Timbira jury) are all equally dangerous, so taking any of those three would not necessarily be bad gameplay. In other words, even with a backstab-free F2 of JT and Stephen, I still wouldn't call it floating. (and I'm persoanlly hoping for that)
urrout		#64	[-]
Posts: 1870 (05/12/09 3:59 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	JT and Stephen being there and seeing everything, not just what the editors want us to see, have to make the decision. I can only go by what is being shown and Stephen should not want to bring JT. JT may get away with bringing Stephen but it would still be the harder sell. The jury seems to think JT/Stephen are controlling things so Taj and Erinn would have to have an amazing FTC and JT/Stephen a really bad one plus Taj/Erinn need to make a major move that would be still fresh in the jurys minds in order to beat them, imo. I actually think JT/Stephen should boot Erinn next. Coach wants the warrior alliance so he would target Taj and Taj would target Coach at F4. Taj and Coach would be less likely to work together than Erinn and Taj. If Coach is hurt, that is a bonus and even a reason to boot Erinn over him that Taj may go along with. If he slips into the F2, judging by the jury so far, he shouldn't win against anybody left. I hope Taj and Erinn are not just going to let Stephen and JT get to the F2 without a fight. And I hope JT and Stephen are not planning on taking each other.
I LUV TIJUANA		#65	[-]
Posts: 12832 (05/12/09 4:25 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No Probst preview yet?
rower	Episode 12 - Story Arcs	#66	[-]
Posts: 2083 (05/12/09 6:08 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OK - Flip side of the argument. Say either JT or Stephen back stabs the other to take a "lesser threat" to the finals. Does anyone think that there just may be some jury backlash to that move. People are argued that Taj or Erinn would make a tough final two contender for different reasons. Does anyone see the jury throwing their vote the way of the "other" person as payback for what they might perceive as the ultimate back-stab? Looking at this jury, I could see it. (Because they are that immature and irrational in their decisions as seen this entire season) Think about that.
birdlady		#67	[-]
Posts: 2630 (05/12/09 6:18 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No. This is a jury that appreciates a clean backstab. If the person were tasteless about it, maybe. But just outwitting/playing/lasting, jury likes that.
ModestyBlaiser		#68	[-]
Posts: 132 (05/12/09 6:21 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Trixiego wrote: I'm trying to avoid the obvious JT/Stepehen dream finish. (Which seems inevitable) I'm so curious on your reason for this statement (not in a bad way, I've been honestly curious about other people making this statement although I do know that some people just can't stand the whole male final two thing; I'm just actually looking for some insight) Prefacing this with the disclaimer that while this is my opinion, this is also not saying that JT/Stephen would have been MY preference as the final two if they were so I am really coming from a place of just looking at the entire season and the end result and a general opinion - I had other favorites but I am being objective just in the capacity of viewing the show and how it was presented. I think this is a great final two should it happen. We have gotten to know both of them where I don't feel ripped off that I didn't get to know about them and wonder who the hell they are; they have had a great alliance and friendship so I've been able to follow that; they both have played the game in their own way and I haven't had to scratch my head and question if I missed something and what is nice is seeing how they are so different yet they meshed playing so well (yin/yang). While both of them do have their flaws (as any winner has) they worked this game from a deficit to ingratiating themselves with everyone which is kinda amazing to me. I also find them both generally likeable and neither are "bland" individuals and they've both been involved in most of the story lines happening and I love that they can also be parlayed into a shtick (as Survivor likes to do) with the whole warrior vs. wizard scenario. They have some semblance of tie to every juror there in some capacity (either by virtue of alliance or being integral on voting that person out) and they have their own relationships together with others as well as individually with others. I know that people have their preferences (as do I) and that is fine but my preferences aside, I still think if they are the final two, it would be a fine outcome to this season and while I know that many enjoy the nasty that happens at FTC, it would actually be very cool to see a jury made up of a one former tribe that got completely bamboozled by a minority other former tribe who truly appreciated the game play that landed them in the jury and give kudos appropriately. Oh Hi Trix Sorry - I've actually been doing some work these last couple of days and didn't see your post. I'm actually indifferent to the make up of the final two to be honest. I like everyone left (with the exception of Coach - who would also be a novelty value component to the final two) It's not that this is the final two that I DON'T want - it's just that intellectually - I have no interest in exploring this scenario because it has been handed to us on a plate. I can't speak for everyone else who's come up with a similar idea. I love a puzzle! This probably explains why I always over think the stories and get myself convinced of something that's completely wrong.
ModestyBlaiser		#69	[-]
Posts: 133 (05/12/09 6:29 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	birdlady wrote: No. This is a jury that appreciates a clean backstab. If the person were tasteless about it, maybe. But just outwitting/playing/lasting, jury likes that. I'm with you here BL. This is not a bitter jury. One look at Ponderosa convinced me these people were appreciative of the effort taken to outplay them. The only bitterness I've seen is Tyson - toward Erin. If she's in the final 2, I wouldn't see him voting for her. Other than that the jury's minds are open at this point I think. However....... Coach isn't there yet.
WatchMeNext		#70	[-]
Posts: 9611 (05/12/09 8:14 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Martrae wrote: If you think it's easy to come into a merge outnumbered and manage to get the other tribe to eat themselves without putting any sort of target on yourself, then you really need to play in a few of the ORGs floating around here. I love Martrae!
Oowatanite		#71	[-]
Posts: 7609 (05/12/09 8:40 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	birdlady wrote: No. This is a jury that appreciates a clean backstab. To be honest, we DO NOT know that this is a jury that appreciates a clean backstab. This may be a jury that realizes that they themselves suck big-time.
Oowatanite		#72	[-]
Posts: 7610 (05/12/09 8:43 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Martrae wrote: If you think it's easy to come into a merge outnumbered and manage to get the other tribe to eat themselves without putting any sort of target on yourself, then you really need to play in a few of the ORGs floating around here. The Paos did NOTHING to get the other tribe to eat themselves other than say YES to overtures from Brendan and Sierra, and say YES to overtures from Coach and Tyson and Debbie. And be nice folks to have around. And that's it.
Martrae		#73	[-]
Posts: 1795 (05/12/09 8:58 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Like I said....if you ever wanna try an ORG let me know. :)
Oowatanite		#74	[-]
Posts: 7612 (05/12/09 9:13 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I blame Trix ! She started this string of posts !
Orangeena	Tephen (JT & Stephen) the new Romber	#75	[-]
Posts: 1549 (05/12/09 10:35 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm totally with Trix on this one. It's been a superb season. Classic. The-rolly enjoyable from start to finish, but especially post-merge when the absolute IMPOSSIBLE happened. And team of THREE took out a team of SIX!?!?! AMAAAAAAAAAZING!?!? Kudos to JT, Stephen and Taj in advance. We can already see what's coming and TDT pretty much confirms it and it makes sense and I'm glad. How in the world could a majority team self-destruct so totally?!? And spare us a pagonging(again) but this time it was something totally new. A Timbiring? Where TIMBER! One falls after the other after the other like so much, well, Timber. And yes, they were all thick as planks as well... I don't think they could believe it themselves. That the Jollypals were taking over...JT said it when he said "We've got to make them hate each other." And they did! That's a strategy right there. And it was Stephen's idea to take out Tyson. He also wanted Brendan out from the get go, too. Why? Cuz Brendan wanted JT to win. Tephen - The new Romber - except they weren't lovers...but oh, that hug at the last IC when Stephen won. Those two. I tell ya. Unforgettable television. We have never seen a team of two like this. Romber, both personally, I always thought were idiots. SEG surrounded Rob with a team that could go to the end. They built ASS around him. HOWEVER this was not the case with the three Jollypals...No one would've ever expected this to happen. THREE! THREE!!!!! No wonder Jeff was gloating about this season. And JT and Stephen and Taj are all extremely likable characters. Stephen is so smart, too. They still don't know he went to Yale... And as the end draws nigh, I am beginning to love them all equally. The Jollypals, indeed. They'll be laughing all the way to the FTC and the bank... I LOVE THIS SEASON!!!! Tephen(JT+Stephen) the new greatest Survivor power couple evah!
I LUV TIJUANA		#76	[-]
Posts: 12834 (05/12/09 10:41 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	O_O
LKMOSCAR		#77	[-]
Posts: 6448 (05/12/09 11:03 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Darrah wins! "No wonder Jeff was gloating about this season. And JT and Stephen and Taj are all extremely likable characters. Stephen is so smart, too. They still don't know he went to Yale..." Debbie knew.
Wezzie		#78	[-]
Posts: 5144 (05/12/09 11:13 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Darrah wins!
Trixiego		#79	[-]
Posts: 16876 (05/13/09 5:33 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: I blame Trix ! She started this string of posts ! Heh, I know. I was thinking the same thing. I'm glad that I'm seeing this though because I did want to get some insight since I was confused about the opinions (thanks for the answer Modesty, I can understand that something being non surprising could leave some deflated) and couldn't quite understand the negativity surrounding a possible JT/Stephen final two. I don't think there is any way of getting around subjectivity with this show because some see how the Jalas got there one way and others see it another way. I've always attributed luck, skill, mistakes by others, etc. a factor in who gets to the end so it never bothers me HOW someone gets there. Some people hate that someone can get to the end by winning IC's, some people hate that someone gets there by riding coattails and so forth but the fact of the matter is that these are elements of the game. I just happen to think that both JT and Stephen were presented really well this season as a whole so I find this possible final two enjoyable. That being said, we don't even know they are the final two and you can all be prepared for Yuku to crash its server again if by some remote chance Coach is in the final two ;-)
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter		#80	[-]
Posts: 1549 (05/13/09 6:47 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Trixiego wrote: That being said, we don't even know they are the final two and you can all be prepared for Yuku to crash its server again if by some remote chance Coach is in the final two ;-) THAT = SERVER CRASH And if COACH + ERINN F2 = MASSIVE YUKU IMPLOSION.

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