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eek...i don't have time to read everything...

read a few and: there's always a difference in what i want my GOVERNMENT to do vs. what I will do.

god forbid, if someone in my life was killed, do i think it's possible i could take the killer's life? yes. especially if i thought he could kill someone else. BUT i don't want the state killing convicted murders. how many innocent prisoners have we killed already? let them rot in prison instead.

could i see myself causing harm and pain to someone who had info on a kidnapped relative? of course, with the caveat i'd be risking the same problem -- that i would get bad info.

but that's a case of imminent harm.

as emotional as we are about 9/11, most of the info the government says it got thru torture wasn't related to immediate threats. it was intel-gathering about who went to what camp and who was involved in this or that plan. we didn't get anything that said, "On Oct. 12th, there will be a bomb at LAX." it's been general intel.

also, we're using torture instead of other methods -- so there's no reason to believe that whatever info we did receive, we couldn't have gotten it through other means. all that wire-tapping and we still don't know who is where?

i'd say we need a kick-ass drug that forces you to tell the truth, like in a cheezy movie, but i don't want the government to have that either.

i'm not saying intel-gathering is unimportant. i'm saying you can get it by not torturing -- like how we knew to title a briefing book with "Al Queda wants to attack inside the U.S."

that intel wasn't the result of torture.