The Geneva conventions apply to soldiers fighting under an identifiable flag in identifiable uniiform, not guerillas. And this is a guerilla war, fo sho.
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CIA Interrogation Torture in the Bush Years
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Posts: 27960 (04/23/09 5:47 PM) Registered user |
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unkle greggo |
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Posts: 4076 (04/23/09 5:51 PM) |
So now we're back to the 2002 arguement that terrorists won't play by the rules so we shouldn't either? Sorry, but ever since our boys corpses were
drug through town named and hung from bridges, I couldn't fucking care less how we treat the fucking savages. They're damn lucky we don't fucking
blast Xanadu from giant speakers 24/7. And that would be torture.
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blockhose |
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Posts: 4411 (04/23/09 5:51 PM) Treadmill martyr |
Any problems with innocents getting tortured? Is that OK, if in the long run we get some info out of the ones who are guilty?
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unkle greggo |
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Posts: 4077 (04/23/09 5:52 PM) |
shit happens
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blockhose |
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Posts: 4412 (04/23/09 5:56 PM) Treadmill martyr |
I see. How about half of 'em? If we torture, say, 200 suspected terrorists - and 100 are innocents - is that an acceptable number?
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factoryhurl |
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Posts: 7441 (04/23/09 5:57 PM) Registered user |
no.
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blockhose |
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Posts: 4413 (04/23/09 6:02 PM) Treadmill martyr |
How about domestic terrorists? Let's say McVeigh was part of a larger network of people, and we suspect that another Oklahoma City could happen? How
about then? How many innocents is it OK to torture so that we can flush out the guilty?
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TobaccoRhoda |
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Posts: 27962 (04/23/09 6:02 PM) Registered user |
Except we aren't torturing 'everybody', of course.
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Link Please |
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Posts: 1150 (04/23/09 6:04 PM) |
What kind of torture are we talking about? Ripping off fingernails or forcing them to read Scruffy Guy posts?
Because the latter would probably be too cruel. |
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Posts: 4538 (04/23/09 6:06 PM) Registered User |
The effectiveness of torture in intelligence gathering is at best, highly debatable (except among Bush apologists). |
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TobaccoRhoda |
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Posts: 27964 (04/23/09 6:12 PM) Registered user |
And it may be debatable, and so is the idea that these limited few tactics, WHICH WERE DISCLOSED TO CONGRESS, were also legal under present law.
And if it's still debatable, then criminally prosecuting one side of the debate seems um, kinda like er...revenge? |
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Je Fa |
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Posts: 1957 (04/23/09 6:50 PM) |
Revenge for what? And if their actions were legal, then you should be confident that they would be acquitted if charged with a crime.
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Posts: 116 (04/23/09 7:03 PM) |
The inconsistencies in some arguments here today are staggering.
The supposition that all, or even a majority of any group lie under torture is another false argument. Intelligence pertaining to any criminal, needs to be vetted and corroborated by second and even third party sources, to be actionable. Some criminal conspirators will cave under mere threats of being thrown into gen pop. Some cave after being thrown in, some never. For anyone to say, it never is useful, and that physical coercion, or threats of it, are unreliable - have no clue whatsoever as to how prosecutors, police and intelligence investigations use data. |
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blockhose |
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Posts: 4415 (04/23/09 7:15 PM) Treadmill martyr |
Exactly! So the more people we torture, the better our intel will be.
I have a feeling there may be some good money in the bondage industry... |
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Posts: 5402 (04/23/09 7:16 PM) |
B DeBrun wrote: My comment was in response to your question about how many attorneys would work for the US if they knew that AC wouldn't withstand..or however you put it. AC doesn't protect attorneys so it shouldn't make a difference. It offers them no protection. none. Just the clients. |
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Posts: 118 (04/23/09 7:23 PM) |
Depends bh, I do believe that if enough people got out of the office, and ran down existing intell, things could be better.
I put more credence in accumulated data from aggressive interrogation techniques on low level pissants, than on the committed major players. Today's intelligence is finding that needle in a haystack, that can connect existing scattered data fragments, together into a pattern. Interrogation based materials in the hands of a database miner seems to be the M.O. today, for major breakthroughs. |
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blockhose |
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Posts: 4418 (04/23/09 7:25 PM) Treadmill martyr |
Perhaps if we strap tazer leads to the investigator's nipples, they'll do a more efficient job.
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Posts: 13604 (04/23/09 7:29 PM) this won't end well.
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unkle greggo wrote: BAGHDAD - Iraq's government has recorded 87,215 of its citizens killed since 2005 in violence ranging from catastrophic bombings to execution-style slayings, according to government statistics obtained by The Associated Press that break open one of the most closely guarded secrets of the war. Combined with tallies based on hospital sources and media reports since the beginning of the war and an in-depth review of available evidence by The
Associated Press, the figures show that more than 110,600 Iraqis have died in violence since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
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Posts: 119 (04/23/09 7:29 PM) |
You probably would attract some BDSM freaks, willing to work for less, and complain less about the work hours.
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Je Fa |
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Posts: 1959 (04/23/09 7:30 PM) |
Are you Jakob or APG?
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