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LES2002	Judge's Save	Lead	[-]
Posts: 959 (04/13/09 7:48 AM) I need a hobby Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If the judges had been allowed to use a save in the previous seasons (with the same rules as this year), who do you think that they would have saved? When they first introduced the save, they mentioned some names of people who left too early. I thought that they had mentioned Jennifer Hudson, but I don't think that they would have saved her.
E Love 9		#1	[-]
Posts: 2042 (04/13/09 8:07 AM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I would hope they would have used it on Michael Johns last season.
LES2002		#2	[-]
Posts: 960 (04/13/09 8:12 AM) I need a hobby Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But would they have used it to save Johns knowing that they may have to use it later to save one of the Davids?
8trackmind		#3	[-]
Posts: 1242 (04/13/09 9:16 AM) I demand attention! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There was already a thread on this. But anyway, I think there are VERY few times the save would have been used, given the restrictions on it. If it could have been used for people in the top 4 (apparently it can't) it ABSOLUTELY would have been used to save Tamyra, and probably Latoya and Chris as well. Having it go only up thru top 5 knocks about about 50% of it's potential use, which is probably just as well since it's a terrible idea. As for top 5 to top 12 contestants, I think it almost certainly would have been used for Jennifer (despite all their early criticism of her, the judges had liked her a lot her last 3 weeks, and at the very least they wanted to her to stay longer than John, Jasmine and Diana). There's also a decent chance it would have been used for Constantine (they liked him a lot more than Scott, Anthony and Vonzell). The other contestant it might have been used for is Mandisa. Like many in Sucks, the judges basically considered her the second coming of Frenchie, were crazy about her, and certainly didn't want her gone so soon. But Mandisa was in a much stronger group, which makes them saving her much less likely. I think that's about all. I can't think of anybody booted in seasons 1, 2, 6 or 7 from top 5 week or earlier who would have been saved. Michael Johns is a long shot: they would have liked to see him outlast Kristy, Carly, Brooke and Syesha, but I doubt if they liked him enough to save him after his various screwups (poor song choices, relying on a falsetto he doesn't have). If Allison sings great but gets voted off anyway on Wednesday (I hope NOT!!!) we'll see how serious they are about using it, with Danny and Adam cruising along and in no danger of needing a save.
Drew B		#4	[-]
Posts: 4951 (04/13/09 9:50 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	8trackmind wrote: I think that's about all. I can't think of anybody booted in seasons 1, 2, 6 or 7 from top 5 week or earlier who would have been saved. Michael Johns is a long shot: they would have liked to see him outlast Kristy, Carly, Brooke and Syesha, but I doubt if they liked him enough to save him after his various screwups (poor song choices, relying on a falsetto he doesn't have). If Allison sings great but gets voted off anyway on Wednesday (I hope NOT!!!) we'll see how serious they are about using it, with Danny and Adam cruising along and in no danger of needing a save. Kristy and Syesha, maybe. They still loved Brooke at that point and for some reason, they still were under the delusion that Carly was talented. Even when Carly left weeks later, they acted as though a injustice had occurred (even though she had been crap throughout the competition).
suckshardcore		#5	[-]
Posts: 19199 (04/13/09 9:59 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But would they have used it to save Johns knowing that they may have to use it later to save one of the Davids? I'm going to guess that based on the votes they knew that neither David was going to be getting the lowest number of votes, ever. They might have saved Johns as with a double elimination it only would have cost them the boot of probably KKKristy and someone like Carly who went in two weeks time anyway. Saving Johns wouldn't really have done much to change the season really. He went early and was great but what would saving him have accomplished? He wouldn't challenge the David/David finale an they probably would have still wanted Syesha in the Top 3 so he would have at most replaced Jason or Brooke in the Top 5.
E Love 9		#6	[-]
Posts: 2043 (04/13/09 10:17 AM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Replacing Jason or Brooke would have been good enough for me. And I agree, the Davids were never in any danger of getting eliminated.
eastersundayhate		#7	[-]
Posts: 90 (04/13/09 10:40 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Someone alluded to this earlier--they have a lot more information than we have. If a frontrunner or a favorite is scraping the bottom, week after week, I don't think they are going to bother to save that person. For all we know, Michael Johns was always in the lower half of the total votes and saving him might not have meant anything. I think with Jennifer Hudson they said she was the top vote getter the week before--I think it's more likely they would have saved her as there was a lot of dead weight in that top 12 that season. All this again hints that they won't bother to use the save. So it may be surprising to the audience that they wouldn't use it to save Kris or Lil should they find themselves last, for all we know they have always been in the bottom of the pack Why would they use it on Anoop, who has been in the B3 two weeks running? They are saving it for Adam or shudder Danny, should one suddenly find himself last--if that's the criteria, they wouldn't have to use it at all. I don't even see them using it to save Allison who has been in the B3 twice already.
Us Kids Know		#8	[-]
Posts: 10301 (04/13/09 10:49 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Can someone explain the Michael Johns obsession to me? He was one of the most generic, boring, shitty contestants they've ever had. Seriously. And to answer the OP's oh-so-original question, they wouldn't have saved a single person, ever. They didn't give a shit about Hudson when she was on and no amount of their revisionist history lessons will change that. Their other big example of an unfair shocking elim, Daughtryturd, happened the week after their dumbass save expires. Every other season they've gotten exactly what they wanted. So. Replacing Jason or Brooke would have been good enough for me. Jason and Brooke were the two best people in last year's top 12. Johns was the 9th best. So, no.
E Love 9		#9	[-]
Posts: 2045 (04/13/09 11:07 AM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Brooke was okay, hated Jason, loved Michael's voice. He's the only contestant from last year that I still listen to frequently and would actually buy a CD of. It's all a matter of opinion I guess.
Drew B		#10	[-]
Posts: 4955 (04/13/09 11:19 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	eastersundayhate wrote: Someone alluded to this earlier--they have a lot more information than we have. If a frontrunner or a favorite is scraping the bottom, week after week, I don't think they are going to bother to save that person. For all we know, Michael Johns was always in the lower half of the total votes and saving him might not have meant anything. I think with Jennifer Hudson they said she was the top vote getter the week before--I think it's more likely they would have saved her as there was a lot of dead weight in that top 12 that season. All this again hints that they won't bother to use the save. So it may be surprising to the audience that they wouldn't use it to save Kris or Lil should they find themselves last, for all we know they have always been in the bottom of the pack Why would they use it on Anoop, who has been in the B3 two weeks running? They are saving it for Adam or shudder Danny, should one suddenly find himself last--if that's the criteria, they wouldn't have to use it at all. I don't even see them using it to save Allison who has been in the B3 twice already. But Jennifer had already been in the bottom 3 several times. Yeah, Anoop and Allison have been B3 a couple of times, but perhaps (like Boomie), they also have been on top other weeks -- not that I believe that to be the case, but without the data, I wouldn't know. I'm 99.9% sure that they WOULDN'T use it to save Jennifer, though, because that would have put their precious Fantasia and LaToya at added risk the following week.
Cuntella		#11	[-]
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suckshardcore		#12	[-]
Posts: 19201 (04/13/09 11:26 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't really understand the point of the save anyway. AI thrives off of drama and shock boots, they love it. They have first dibs on everyone anyway so they doubly benefit because they get the hype of a shocker boot and they get to sign that person anyway if they really want to. Sure they may seemingly hate Taylor but they still squeezes 700 K in sales out of him as the winner and got some cash, and they got to sign Daughtry. If it were the other way around and Taylor went out in 4th place they wouldn't sign him so they got to benefit from both Chris, Katharine and Taylor and it was it got them more cash signing the Top 2 + the shock boot 4th placer, then they dropped the Top 2 and moved on after the cash flow dried up. They don't need to save anyone, they're just using it as another stupid hyped up twist. If Adam were to go out in 5th or Danny or whoever they can sign and promote them along with the eventual winner.
aspects13		#13	[-]
Posts: 727 (04/13/09 11:34 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I would like to think they would have saved Nadia since she was my favorite that season but they did not like her song choice, "When I Dream," that week. I still cannot believe how mad I am years later at her 8th place finish. In my opinion, Simon would only save someone who went out on a good performance, which usually does not happen. Usually they give a boring performance that does not move people to vote for them. I think they would have saved Boomie because they liked her performances for three weeks and they thought she went out giving a good performance. Also I could see them saving Carly since they liked her "Jesus Christ Superstar." It would have been amusing had they had they saved Phil, so that season would have had a non-elimination, two eliminations in one week that then became one and then another week of two eliminations.
WHC		#14	[-]
Posts: 203 (04/13/09 11:51 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	suckshardcore wrote: I don't really understand the point of the save anyway. AI thrives off of drama and shock boots, they love it. If the save is exercised, isn't it likely to generate a shock boot of its own the following week with the second of the double boot ? Fans of the saved singer would vote like mad, and someone else who probably deserved to stay would get booted instead. That would create a ton of drama, as people bitch that the judges' stupid save cost someone even more deserving of the title.
suckshardcore		#15	[-]
Posts: 19203 (04/13/09 11:53 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is true. It's still dumb though since they can sign anyone they want from the Top 13 first anyway.
Drew B		#16	[-]
Posts: 4956 (04/13/09 12:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Signing them is WAY down on their list of priorities. They want to maximize their ratings. If they think that it will help the ratings to use the save, they will do it. If they think it will hurt the ratings, they won't. That is their top (if not ONLY) concern...
Roman Castevet		#17	[-]
Posts: 1355 (04/13/09 12:35 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Posts: 959 (04/13/09 8:48 AM) I need a hobby
MakePaulaCry		#18	[-]
Posts: 2465 (04/13/09 1:01 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Can someone explain the Michael Johns obsession to me? X. He fucking sucks. Was never a frontrunner and if he released an album, he'd be lucky if his immediate family members bought it. HE'S A FUCKING LOSER.
Wibble2		#19	[-]
Posts: 1 (04/13/09 1:03 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Michael Johns was who they were pimping as a frontrunner very early on. However, once they started moving to theme weeks, it was pretty clear that he didn't have the chops to compete. Kind of like Lil this past year. They might have saved him since he was booted really early, but he sure as hell wasn't going to come close to winning.
fitchstudboy		#20	[-]
Posts: 648 (04/13/09 11:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LES2002 wrote: If the judges had been allowed to use a save in the previous seasons (with the same rules as this year), who do you think that they would have saved? When they first introduced the save, they mentioned some names of people who left too early. I thought that they had mentioned Jennifer Hudson, but I don't think that they would have saved her. agreed. la hudson did not gain cache with the judges until her oscar win in dreamgirls. during the time she was idol, cowell couldn't wait for her to get voted off. she could have been american idol's claim to fame, but instead, she'll for ever be known as "the one that got away..."

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