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4/1/09 Ep11 "Whatever Happened, Happened"
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Posts: 6169 (04/01/09 8:16 PM) MESS member |
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ThaimeAfterThaime |
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Posts: 118 (04/01/09 8:16 PM) I don't get |
Ellie = Eloise?
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WiscBadger95 |
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Posts: 13717 (04/01/09 8:17 PM) Registered user |
Uh huh.
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terpsy |
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Posts: 321 (04/01/09 8:17 PM) |
Richard also said Ben would lose his innocence. But Richard was apparently going to welcome him some day into the Others based on the scene where he met ben
and looked like a hippie.
In the preview why did Ben say he came back ? to confess? save people?, he seemed shocked to see Locke although it seems like he would have known he would be alive when he returned to the island. |
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cindidindi76 |
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Posts: 16629 (04/01/09 8:18 PM) Registered User |
WiscBadger95 wrote: She did? I thought the statue was only there for about a 10 second flash, after Charlotte was dead. Was I the only one hoping Ben would wake up and tell Locke he killed him too quickly the first time? |
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BJ |
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Posts: 6170 (04/01/09 8:18 PM) MESS member |
If Charles and Ellie are still on the island in 1977, then likely Penny was born there.
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FermatsLastThm |
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Posts: 371 (04/01/09 8:20 PM) Registered user |
Locke would be so proud of Jack's behavior in this episode. With all the "it was my destiny to come back even though I have no idea what that destiny
is" nonsense, I didn't even have time to miss Locke's usual stupidity.
And to answer the question of how Kate and Cassidy knew each other: Mid to late season 3 there was an episode where the Flashback was centered around Kate trying to reach out to her mom for the first time since killing her dad. She saw Cassidy running a con at a gas station and saved her from the cops, and in return Cassidy set it up so that Kate would meet her mom in the bathroom of the restaurant she worked at. That was when Kate's mom gave her the ultimatum that if she ever saw her again, she'd turn her in (which we know happens in the hospital where she's dying, leading to Kate's childhood friend getting gunned down as they flee). The ironic part was that Cassidy confessed to Kate at the end of the episode that she was pregnant and didn't know whether she could bring herself to turn in the guy who knocked her up (Sawyer) because she loved him. It was Kate that convinced Cassidy to turn Sawyer in for his conman ways that ultimately led him to being incarcerated. |
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terpsy |
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Posts: 322 (04/01/09 8:21 PM) |
seems like if Ellies the queen she would know all about Ben and given more guidance to her son and Desmond and the 06ers on their way back, but I gues all the
secrets cannot be spilled at once.
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Aunt Pappy |
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Posts: 18166 (04/01/09 8:22 PM) |
Okay, okay....so Kate did leave Aaron with Claire's mom. I was wrong. But this episode sure did make you think she was going to leave him with Cassidy!
Love that we now know why Ben "became" Ben. And I bow down before TPTB for the Hurley-Miles exchange. One question: Wouldn't the Dharma security folks know that the system had been turned off (when Sawyer and Kate took Ben through)? |
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sir debb eaton hogg |
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Posts: 421 (04/01/09 8:24 PM) I need a life |
Great episode for Jack. He finally stood up for himself and did what he wanted instead of what he thought others would want him to do. |
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cindidindi76 |
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Posts: 16630 (04/01/09 8:25 PM) Registered User |
In the preview why did Ben say he came back ? to confess? save people?, For judgement/to be judged. I can't remember his exact wording, but it was something along those lines. |
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colby parker |
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Posts: 9 (04/01/09 8:25 PM) |
LOVED the ending....the look on adult Ben's face was PRICELESS. I'm still a little confused on the whole time travel. I get that Hurley and them
don't remember 1977 because it is happening to them presently. But when Miles said if Hurley shot him, he could die, that whole part got me
"lost". So if is just Hurley, etc that can change what happends to them but everyone & everything else on island 1977 goes according to how it
actually happened?? I kinda think Daniel doesn't really know what he's talking about?!?!?!
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The Marquesan Godfather |
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Posts: 11244 (04/01/09 8:31 PM) Registered User |
So, more proof that Juliet is really in charge. Go help Kate save Ben. Sawyer: As you command. Talk about whipped. Anti-fixing things Jack does make a point. Hey, if Ben is supposed to live, fine, lets see it. Actually, I did like Kate this episode. She finally admitted that everything involving the kid was for her own selfish needs. Also, her saying she was going to find Claire actually gave me a little chill down my back. Excellent. |
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Charming Nemesis |
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Posts: 3850 (04/01/09 8:33 PM) |
I was watching with a few people and when Jack was talking to Juliet, my brother yells out "JACK HAS BECOME LOCKE!"
What Daniel said made perfect sense. The 1977 people are living their timeline and it can't be changed because it has already happened. The timeline for the losties is happening, so anything can happen to them. |
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El Bingo Gringo |
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Posts: 2187 (04/01/09 8:38 PM) Registered User |
Locke is in the land of the living?
me nose bleds |
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WiscBadger95 |
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Posts: 13718 (04/01/09 8:41 PM) Registered user |
colby parker wrote:Miles, Hurley, et. al. are no longer living their lives in linear time. For example, for Miles, his life now goes like this: 2004/05 -> 1974 -> 1975 -> 1976 -> 1977 So, for him, the part of his life he lived in the 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, is a part of his past. |
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colby parker |
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Posts: 10 (04/01/09 8:43 PM) |
forgot to add to my previous post: why is Kate going around babbling the whole story of how they all lied? I'm sure Claire's mom wouldn't tell
but who knows with Cassidy? She's probably still out conning people.
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Cheyenie |
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Posts: 1008 (04/01/09 8:45 PM) MESS member |
I think Cassidy learned her lesson. She doesn't want to be like Sawyer.
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El Bingo Gringo |
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Posts: 2189 (04/01/09 8:46 PM) Registered User |
Cassidy is on Oprah tomorrow, right after her spot on Good Morning America.
She tells all!! |
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Antithesys |
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Posts: 24150 (04/01/09 8:46 PM) Gadabout |
Yeah, Daniel explained it perfectly. Time itself, in general, IS linear and cannot be changed. It only seems non-linear to the characters who traveled into the
past. Their personal lifelines are still a one-way line moving forward, but that line happens to be curving back in time so that they experience some of it in
the past. If they were to die, it wouldn't affect anything. Their lifeline would come to an end just as all of ours eventually will, except that theirs
happens to have curved around so that from an outsider's perspective it ended before it began (or at some point after, but you get the idea). Young Ben
cannot die, because we know his lifeline continues for at least thirty more years and that cannot be altered.
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