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No, France did not develop modern democracy, UrbanCenter |
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Posts: 2161 (03/19/09 7:34 PM) Registered user |
I would have responded him in that French thread but I thought this lapse was egregious enough that it deserved its own thread.
UrbanCenter - sorry, but why did you never open up a history book in high school? |
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Posts: 7581 (03/19/09 7:37 PM) Geenyus extraordinaire
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Because he didn't have to go to school.
He went straight to Doogie Howserism. |
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Posts: 923 (03/19/09 7:39 PM) |
Fezzzy wrote:Because I already assumed I knew everything inside it. |
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Posts: 25593 (03/19/09 7:43 PM) MESS member |
yeah, I thought Lincoln actually freed all the slaves
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Eurytol |
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Posts: 6270 (03/19/09 7:44 PM) Badass motherfucker-er
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That was Moses.
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Posts: 25595 (03/19/09 7:47 PM) MESS member |
wasn't that just the jewish slaves?
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Hamdingers |
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Posts: 15294 (03/19/09 7:48 PM) |
I can't deal with these pagans.
:storms out |
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Je Fa |
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Posts: 1460 (03/19/09 7:48 PM) |
It's not particularly egregious. France had probably the widest (male) franchise in the world during the French Revolution. And they pioneered the use of
referenda/votes on single issues.
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Posts: 25597 (03/19/09 7:51 PM) MESS member |
what does paganism have to do with the subject?
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Eurytol |
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Posts: 6273 (03/19/09 7:52 PM) Badass motherfucker-er
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No way. Moses totally freed some black slaves, too. True story.
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Posts: 926 (03/19/09 7:52 PM) |
Great. I knew was right.
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CBRetriever |
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Posts: 25598 (03/19/09 7:58 PM) MESS member |
there are black jews - Sammy Davis Junior was jewish at one point in his life
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Fezzzy |
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Posts: 2162 (03/19/09 8:21 PM) Registered user |
It's not particularly egregious. France had probably the widest (male) franchise in the world during the French Revolution. And they pioneered the use of referenda/votes on single issues.No, it is actually pretty egregious especially considering the fact that regardless of how wide France's franchise was (in truth it wasn't wide at all) during the BLOODBATH of that fucked up revolution of the 18th century because it's simply silly to assume that you can have a proper democracy without universal franchise. I would recommend Edmund Burke for further reading. Also, you'd be retarded to think that the plebiscites of the Napoleonic regime were anything but corrupt political theater. Note also that France was under a monarchy after the Revolution of 1792 and Napoleon until 1848, I think. And by then the British Empire had a political system that more closely approximated a proper democracy than France would have for several decades. In sum, France sucks. It has one of the most pathetic histories in all of modern Europe. I would rather have lived in the Balkans somewhere if I had a choice. Stop pretending like you know anything beyond how to drive. The modern histories of France, Russia, and the Muslim Middle East are not all their cracked up to be, you dumb fuck. You prance around pretending to be an ultra liberal intellectual but your socialist politics don't even correspond to modern socialist ideology. You're a pariah. Shut the fuck up. |
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Posts: 60105 (03/19/09 8:24 PM) Registered loser |
Plus he likes to diddle little kids.
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Pseudo Propaganda |
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Posts: 567 (03/19/09 8:40 PM) |
Ugh. Fezzy used to be one of those annoying kidiots right? Now he is a self important "I know everything because I am in college" kidiot?
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Fezzzy |
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Posts: 2163 (03/19/09 8:42 PM) Registered user |
Since when has it been self-important to correct someone's errors?
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pussycow |
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Posts: 4605 (03/19/09 8:44 PM) |
is this going to be on the quiz?
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Je Fa |
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Posts: 1462 (03/19/09 8:46 PM) |
Fezzzy wrote: It just depends how you define democracy. A very limited electorate sent representatives to Britain's parliament, but so did an equally limited electorate in French provinces with estates (Brittany, for example). But France was the first country with universal male suffrage, albeit temporarily and not very effectively, under the revolution. And they had referenda before Napoleon too. I recommend Tom Paine for further reading. |
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Posts: 17879 (03/19/09 8:48 PM) super badass |
Fez may be a kiddiot but that was truly one of the finest bitchslaps in Sucks herstory. Kudos.
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Posts: 6801 (03/19/09 9:31 PM) Registered user |
Fezzzy wrote:Because Mommy never told him to. Home schooling is kinda hit or miss. |
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Posts: 2164 (03/19/09 9:49 PM) Registered user |
It just depends how you define democracy. A very limited electorate sent representatives to Britain's parliament, but so did an equally limited electorate in French provinces with estates (Brittany, for example). But France was the first country with universal male suffrage, albeit temporarily and not very effectively, under the revolution. And they had referenda before Napoleon too. I recommend Tom Paine for further reading. Yeah, it does depend on how you define democracy. But I'm willing to bet that during the French Revolution (incited majorly by Parisian fanatics), peasant men in Brittany, and other peripheral provinces didn't even know that Marie Antoinette died before their universal suffrage was retracted. I wouldn't know but logistically speaking, news from Paris about de facto government mandates were probably slow to reach the average French douche. I doubt the Jacobins, etc. cared to hear what Brittany-ites had to say anyway because as I understand it the western provinces were conservative royalists. You can say France was the first to have universal male suffrage but only in name. It was never a true democracy until sometime after the turn of the 20th century and even then it was following British and American models. Also, referenda were probably corrupt political theater even before Napoleon like every other vaguely democractic institution before the 1800s. |
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