Will AI ever produce another sucessful mainstream artist?

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KellysMomCalledMeFine		#41	[-]
Posts: 487 (03/15/09 9:40 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Apparently you don't pay attention to the dwindling music industry, too. People aren't buying cds/singles in the same way that they did back then.
xoDC3xo		#42	[-]
Posts: 102 (03/16/09 12:59 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Drew B wrote: xoDC3xo wrote: J-Hud is doing really well. Her album sold well and she won a Grammy. We'll see if her second album does well. I guess some on here wouldn't really consider her mainstream since most of her music would be played on R&B stations, and I guess some would attribute her success to the Dreamgirls instead of Idol, but I still think being on Idol helped her get cast. You'd think, but from what I've heard, just the opposite is true. They didn't much want to cast somebody with that kind of baggage and would have much rather had a complete unknown. They simply didn't find anybody as good as her... You're right, I think I remember hearing that I think. Who knows though, had she not auditioned for Idol would she have auditioned for the film? Kind of a stupid question to ask I suppose, but I still give a bit of credit to Idol for helping her career. I know this is not a popular opinion and I'll probably be attacked and mauled and find my family dead in a dumpster somewhere for saying this but Fantasia has been pretty successful. A double platinum debutand a gold sophomore album with 9 top 40 R&B hits, and a couple of mildly successful hot 100 hits. Fantasia hasn't done as poorly as you would think. I guess the key word here is mainstream. If we're talking about mainstream then you have Kelly and Carrie. Waiting to see if they do well with followup albums add David C., Jordin, and Daughtry. Take away the word mainstream put in Kellie Pickler, Jennifer Hudson, Clay Aiken, and yes Fantasia. For Idol to have launched ten successful acts is pretty decent imo. ETA Do I think that this season will have anyone successful, I don't know. There is usually one or two per season who does well. I personally don't see any of them doing well, but I never thought in a million years Jordin would be successful so you can't really write anyone off. I mean I like Jordin but I totally thought she would flop. Last Edited By: xoDC3xo 03/16/09 1:07 AM. Edited 2 times.
SardonicallyIrrelevant		#43	[-]
Posts: 19481 (03/16/09 1:14 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	In all fairness, Jordin probably would have been a flop if she hadn't been dragged onto the charts clutching the coattails of womanbeater Brown.
highwind44029		#44	[-]
Posts: 28044 (03/16/09 6:15 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jordin and David are well-known in a backwater third-world country like the Philippines. That's mainstream success right there.
meatball77		#45	[-]
Posts: 10804 (03/16/09 6:52 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The problem is that they're not marketing the idols like they should when they come out. If you wern't paying attention you wouldn't even know when their albums came out. It's the same with the second place contestants. They're not being marketed to the audience that they should, and many of the radio stations don't want to play the music (country stations seem to be the exception). I also think they wait way to long before releasing their albums. They should put the tour off by a couple months so they can get the idols into the studio, then they could do songs from their album during the tour as well as songs from the show.
ILovegreeneyes		#46	[-]
Posts: 7367 (03/16/09 7:01 AM) I need a life Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SardonicallyIrrelevant wrote: In all fairness, Jordin probably would have been a flop if she hadn't been dragged onto the charts clutching the coattails of womanbeater Brown. sadly, I completely agree with this statement. Jordin is where she is because her people were smart to pair her up with Chris Brown.... good thing that was before he kicked the shit out of RiRi
maadx		#47	[-]
Posts: 2102 (03/16/09 7:01 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	meatball77 wrote: The problem is that they're not marketing the idols like they should when they come out. If you wern't paying attention you wouldn't even know when their albums came out. Totally agreed. I also think they wait way to long before releasing their albums. They should put the tour off by a couple months so they can get the idols into the studio, then they could do songs from their album during the tour as well as songs from the show. They cash in on the holiday buying. They have to do it here. You can tell which artists need help selling when they ALWAYS release around the October/November
Dictatorship		#48	[-]
Posts: 8076 (03/16/09 7:36 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	pjadedd wrote: ILovegreeneyes wrote: pjadedd wrote: WHC wrote: pjadedd wrote: Carrie may be a star in the country world, but I think she's also pretty big in the pop world too. You can't turn on any radio station that plays "today's music" without hearing her. I'm in one of the largest metropolitan markets, I scan all the mainstream music radio stations (pop, rock, R&B, AC etc.) except country, and I'm pretty sure I've never heard any of her songs on the air. Really? I can't turn on my car without hearing "Before He Cheats." one song doesn't = big in the pop market. Taylor Swift is big in the pop market if you want to compare one country artist to another for argument sake. That's the big radio hit now. They will still even occasionally play her craptastic "Inside Your Heaven" every once in a while (I have no idea why). I was just trying to make the point that she is probably known outside of the country market by people who aren't even Idol fans. Mainstream, I would still put Kelly, Cook, Jordin, and Daughtry over her, but Carrie definitely has the crossover appeal and the music that translates beyond just country. There's no use arguing with EyesGreenWithEnvy. She'll do anything to put down Carrie's success and prop up Yelly's (who has had 1 hit in the past 3 years). Carrie is definitely mainstream. I hear BHC and JTTW all the time on mainstream pop. Hell, I turned the radio station on yesterday and I Told You So was being played.
GrenadeJumper85		#49	[-]
Posts: 9013 (03/16/09 8:17 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Megan is the most marketable out of this season? What kind of planet are some of you from? If I had to choose, I'd agree with posters earlier in this thread that said Matt G. would be the easiest to market and I think he would actually sell albums as well. I think Lil would do big in the R&B charts/radio as well if she gets some music thrown at her, preferably more Mary J./J Hud R&B then Beyonce R&B. I think Megan, Adam, Danny, Scott, or Michael would be marketing disasters. What the hell would you do with them?!
Gregoire		#50	[-]
Posts: 31974 (03/16/09 8:17 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The ONLY Idol who has been a flop is Taylor Hicks. Every one of them have either met or exceeded expectations. And they don't even care about him because that season gave the very same record label a man by the name of Chris Daughtry. The Idol machine is just as strong as ever. Why is appears to be faltering is because there are now dozens of people out there who were former Idol contestants who are making albums. And most of them (i.e. the losers) are not selling records. Possibly because they don't have a push of a major record label; but most likely because they weren't that good to begin with.
token lunatic		#51	[-]
Posts: 23143 (03/16/09 8:27 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Megan is the most marketable out of this season? What kind of planet are some of you from? If I had to choose, I'd agree with posters earlier in this thread that said Matt G. would be the easiest to market and I think he would actually sell albums as well. I think Lil would do big in the R&B charts/radio as well if she gets some music thrown at her, preferably more Mary J./J Hud R&B then Beyonce R&B. I think Megan, Adam, Danny, Scott, or Michael would be marketing disasters. What the hell would you do with them?! This is why they are all going to come in second and Matt or Kris will win b/c they all marketable, esp Kris.
GrenadeJumper85		#52	[-]
Posts: 9014 (03/16/09 8:47 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Allison and Alexis are wildcards to me because I don't see where either one would fit in the music industry, but I don't think they would totally flop either. Maybe market Allison as P!nk's little sister, and Alexis and Baby Aretha.
MikiBoi		#53	[-]
Posts: 5587 (03/16/09 9:05 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Allison is Pink lite. She's not nearly as talented vocally and I'm not really a Pink fan. She has a bit of Clarkson's edge but its Clarkson ultra lite. She's got the stage moves/presence down but other than that.... She's good but it's nothing I think would be an Idol big seller if she were to win. Matt G is their best chance, when he did the wildcard, I was like fuck, there's the winner now. Even if he doesn't get the title, he'll be picked up by Jive/BMG and be given a record contract and they'll take care of his R&B flavoured music well. He fits into the J.T., Neyo area which is a mega sell. I'm suprised Cowshit hasn't realized this but then again he's a brooding Brit who doesn't know much about country or R&B. I could see Matt going Platinum with a decent record of R&B radio hits. If Gokey wins, it will be Hicks all over again. Adam and Allison are crapshoots for success post-Idol. Lil could do relatively well and pull a Jordin with a big hit and lukewarm album sales. Plus, the show is in it's 8th incarnation. Being an Idol is no longer a recipe for success. Only the winner or someone ultra pimped by the show/media (Daughtry) have a road paved for success. The rest will have to work hard at it. It's going to get harder and harder for many of these kids, no matter what their placement, to find success. Last Edited By: MikiBoi 03/16/09 9:09 AM. Edited 1 times.
maadx		#54	[-]
Posts: 2104 (03/16/09 9:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	MikiBoi wrote: Allison is Pink lite. She's not nearly as talented vocally and I'm not really a Pink fan. She has a bit of Clarkson's edge but its Clarkson ultra lite. She's got the stage moves/presence down but other than that.... She's good but it's nothing I think would be an Idol big seller if she were to win. Matt G is their best chance, when he did the wildcard, I was like fuck, there's the winner now. Even if he doesn't get the title, he'll be picked up by Jive/BMG and be given a record contract and they'll take care of his R&B flavoured music well. He fits into the J.T., Neyo area which is a mega sell. I'm suprised Cowshit hasn't realized this but then again he's a brooding Brit who doesn't know much about country or R&B. X to it all I see Michael or Alexis getting the country ticket
Drew B		#55	[-]
Posts: 4701 (03/16/09 9:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	xoDC3xo wrote: Drew B wrote: xoDC3xo wrote: J-Hud is doing really well. Her album sold well and she won a Grammy. We'll see if her second album does well. I guess some on here wouldn't really consider her mainstream since most of her music would be played on R&B stations, and I guess some would attribute her success to the Dreamgirls instead of Idol, but I still think being on Idol helped her get cast. You'd think, but from what I've heard, just the opposite is true. They didn't much want to cast somebody with that kind of baggage and would have much rather had a complete unknown. They simply didn't find anybody as good as her... You're right, I think I remember hearing that I think. Who knows though, had she not auditioned for Idol would she have auditioned for the film? Kind of a stupid question to ask I suppose, but I still give a bit of credit to Idol for helping her career. You can't say, for sure, but I think she would have auditioned. She was already a professional singer (Disney Cruise Line), so I think she would have been interested in pursuing this "holy grail" of roles for a heavy black woman. And there was a huge search and outreach for this role. They contacted literally EVERY black church in the country, for example. If one person who knew her heard about the opportunity and mentioned it to her (and why wouldn't they), I think she would have tried out...
Drew B		#56	[-]
Posts: 4702 (03/16/09 10:00 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	MikiBoi wrote: Lil could do relatively well and pull a Jordin with a big hit and lukewarm album sales. I agree with most of what you say, but not this. First of all, Jordin's music is pure mainstream pop. Lil hasn't shown much indication that she would (or could) go in that direction. She's an R&B singer. Secondly, I think a huge part of Jordin's appeal is with the "tween" crowd, and I can't see them going for Lil, who looks and acts more like their mom than their peer...
MikiBoi		#57	[-]
Posts: 5589 (03/16/09 10:19 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Drew B wrote: MikiBoi wrote: Lil could do relatively well and pull a Jordin with a big hit and lukewarm album sales. I agree with most of what you say, but not this. First of all, Jordin's music is pure mainstream pop. Lil hasn't shown much indication that she would (or could) go in that direction. She's an R&B singer. Secondly, I think a huge part of Jordin's appeal is with the "tween" crowd, and I can't see them going for Lil, who looks and acts more like their mom than their peer... I wasn't comparing their markets or their musical inclinations more my perception of Lil having the amount of success that Jordin had (reaching 1 million in albums sales after a year of steady but slow album sales, 2 friendly radio hits, and a possible hit given the right producers). Lil marketed well could do very well but depends which angle they push for her. R&B market is tough for women so they'd have to be specific with image, music, etc.. Being a pop tart like Jordin is a lot easier to market and sell to that crowd. Matt G will have a much easier time to break into the scene than Lil being a guy and having the image that is "in" now.
GrenadeJumper85		#58	[-]
Posts: 9016 (03/16/09 10:19 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yea, no way would Lil even think of going the same direction as Jordin, that would be stupid. She's definitely more mature R&B like I said, Mary J., J.Hud, Robin Thicke, Jill Scott, Angie Stone etc. etc. That's where she would thrive.
CanIBreathe		#59	[-]
Posts: 1115 (03/16/09 10:35 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Matt G doing well in the r&b format??? have yall heard of Jon B., Robin Thicke, and Justin Timberfake??? how well have then done trying to go the r&b route???
GrenadeJumper85		#60	[-]
Posts: 9018 (03/16/09 10:37 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	have yall heard of Jon B., Robin Thicke, and Justin Timberfake??? how well have then done trying to go the r&b route??? You're joking about the last two right?

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