Airbags don't have freewill. What do you think they are, toasters?
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CoconutPhone |
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Now you're talking crazy!
Airbags don't have freewill. What do you think they are, toasters?
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cindidindi76 |
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Pussycow, you just don't get it. Fate made them choose not to, there never really was a choice because fate would have prevented even if they chose to
deploy. Pay attention, for fucks sake!
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WiscBadger95 |
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OK, I just rewatched "TLaDoJB" and have one observation to share: When Ben says to Dead Locke, "I'm going to miss you, John. I really
am," it almost seems as if he's being subtly sarcastic.
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pussycow |
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Posts: 4437 (03/03/09 10:04 PM) |
cindidindi76 wrote: Well thank god we have you here who knows so much about fate and airbags! What if Locke was driving Desmond's car? Desmonds airbags are special |
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CoconutPhone |
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But his are on the right.
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WiscBadger95 |
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There are, as I see it, three possibilities, if we decide to speak in gross generalities:
1) Ben is good, Widmore is bad 2) Widmore is good, Ben is bad 3) Both Widmore and Ben are bad Let's go through each of these possibilities and what the ramifications of each would be if true, given what we learned in last night's episode of Lost. 1) Ben is good, Widmore is bad Widmore doesn't know where the island is, and wants to use Locke to find it. He probably truly believes that Locke is the chosen one, or some such thing, and thinks that he's the one that can help him get back to the island. Why he believes this is unclear, and further complicating matters is Widmore's seemingly astonished reaction to seeing Locke in the Tunisian desert, remembering him from their first meeting when Widmore was 17. This scenario also means that Abbadon is, as Ben says, dangerous and may have planned on killing Locke. Maybe Widmore is searching for Eloise Hawking and had Abbadon waiting for Locke to spill that name. This scenario also infers that Ben knew Locke had to die in order to get the Oceanic 6 back to the island. He could also have believed that Locke would come back to life upon his return to the island, but this is refuted by Ben audibly saying he's going to miss Locke after killing him - he was alone, and therefore had no reason to lie. Ben, being the Machiavellian mastermind that he is, would be willing to kill Locke for the greater good, if you will, so killing Locke doesn't necessarily make him evil, though it certainly doesn't help. 2) Widmore is good, Ben is bad This is what the episode made us want to believe. Widmore definitely seemed like the more agreeable figure last night, helping John out, trying to ensure his safety. Ben killing John may turn out to be the moment where all doubts were erased in regards to Ben's villainy, though I'm not willing to go there yet. If Widmore is good, then he was telling the truth to Locke - Ben tricked him off the island, and has been keeping him away ever since. Widmore could conceivably be trying to protect the island from the treachery of Ben. 3) Both Widmore and Ben are bad This is the scenario that seems likeliest. They are using everyone as pawns, don't particularly care about any of the prophecies or the mythology they espouse and only want the power that comes with the island. It's a true one-on-one scenario, kind of like what Desmond was talking about. Locke, like always, is just being used by these men, as he's been used by countless people before, his faith leading him astray. I hate to say it, but I just don't know. I don't. None of us do, and that's the beauty of Lost. Widmore, especially, has been painted in such broad and disparate strokes, that trying to parse his words and examine his actions is only going to confuse us more. He wants to get to that island, he doesn't like Ben, he wants his daughter safe, and that's about it. Though it looks like he wants Locke to get back to the island, he probably doesn't care about that at all. Widmore, himself, wants the island and I can't imagine he gives a rat's ass about John's fate or destiny. What makes all of this so interesting is that Ben and Widmore have their interests, seemingly, completely in line with each other. Source |
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Screerider |
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I'm hoping Widmore snuck onto 316. He needs to be on Island when Jughead blows.
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El Bingo Gringo |
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What if Ben and Widmore are good?
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PAPAYOKE |
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Here's a mindfuck: What if Penny is an evil, raging bitch?!?!
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El Bingo Gringo |
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What if Locke is really dead?
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PAPAYOKE |
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What if Michael and Walt are a reincarnation of Christian and Jack?!?!?!
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cindidindi76 |
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I'm going with option 4) None of the above.
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pussycow |
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Posts: 4446 (03/04/09 5:42 PM) |
don't you mean "unable to determine"?
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Screerider |
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Or "ask again later"?
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tigeranne |
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I think that Ben and Widmore are both bad... but with LOST, I try not to get to 'married' to my theories, since they usually are wrong. |
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BJ |
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El Bingo Gringo wrote: alol |
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