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Kathy Fan 2 |
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Coach came across worse to the average viewer, and I think that's how the editors wanted it.
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SJHalle |
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She's set up from the beginning to be a negative force. Who knows if Sierra really rolled her eyes at Candace when she said "I don't think
I'll go (to the firepit). I'd rather sit around here and talk shit about eachother." The obvious manipulation of the eye roll sets Candace up at
the beginning of the episode as someone to root against, since Brendan and Sierra were minorly positive at that point. We're supposed to be glad the
Brendan and Sierra weren't caught by Debbie, so Candace threatening that slightly is clearly an N intent by the editors and in my opinion it carries
throughout the episode. Are you really gonna tell me that the editing intent wasn't positively in Brendan and Sierra's favor at least during that
scene? Yes she's a foil to Sierra there but that's not the only thing I'm looking at. The OTT in my mind comes from the fact that she's a one
note cancer and poison apple to the tribe (as per Coach and Debbie yes, but we don't get anyone saying P things about Candace to counter that). I
don't really see her complexity at all, she's a one episode explosion who tried to stand up to the also N Coach but obviously wasn't big and bad
enough to take him out, contrary to what she might have thought herself.
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BlakeB717 |
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BlakeB717 wrote: Just reminded you Warrior that I made a change. |
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Warrior |
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Sorry Blake...
flf...Please... |
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gretchensucks |
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She was characterized as a "cancer in the tribe" and a "poison apple" by Coach because she was fucking with his gameplay. That's not
saying much. And even if she was set up as a "negative force" from the beginning of the episode (which I personally don't think is 100% accurate
- but it doesn't matter because we've already decided she's an N in tone)...that doesn't constitute an OTT rating.
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colleenlover |
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SJHalle wrote: Correct. Keep it simple like this. Candace is not going to win. |
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Warrior |
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fat little fingers |
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I think Coach (Ben) has been pushed OTT from the start of the season. Ep 1 may have allowed him CP, but I credit much of that to the need to establish his
character/story.
In Ep2 he was pushed into OTTN territory. I don't understand how a character that big and that central to the action rates an MOR. His Ep1 OTT speech about noble warriors hoping for an opponent worthy of losing to will define his entire story. Brendan set the ball rolling on Coach's future torch-snuff in his Ep1 confessional about not trusting him. This was reinforced by Candace telling us that Coach's giant ego will get him killed. |
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AndreSurvivor |
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Posts: 336 (02/26/09 1:07 PM) |
fat little fingers wrote:I agree... Coach's rating along with Taj's incomprehensible CPP rating have me flummoxed, but it exhausting to argue against them. |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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The fact that CANDACE gets an OTT while neck-licker Coach gets an MOR is fucked up in my mind. It makes NO sense whatsoever.
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astroline |
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Erinn gets an UTR2 and Tyson gets a MOR3? Coach is MOR and Candace is OTTN? I didn't vote this week and I haven't been posting, but with ratings like
that (and I've seen multiple posts saying "Well she was voted out, so who cares what her rating is?" - which is a HUGE problem that Edgic has),
it's not really drawing me back in.
Can someone at least explain why Erinn, who made an impact on the casual viewer, is UTR2? And why Tyson is MOR3? |
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gretchensucks |
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^ I second the posts of astroline, Kitty Pryde1, and fat little fingers above...
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taks |
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Haha, these close calls really did seem to have us divided. I can see Erinn getting a UTR2, simply based off the amount of times we saw her without her
actually saying anything. I thought the tribal council question pushed her into MOR territory, but the argument against that is valid. I have a feeling this
isn't the last time Erinn's ratings will be debated, she seems to have generated a lot of buzz in this thread for who knows what reason. Tyson
definitely felt less visible to me than Erinn, but carefully reviewing what each did shows that he wasn't actually less visible. I just
must've fallen asleep or turned away every time he talked, because I still can't remember his confessionals very well.
The only thing I really can't see is Candace getting a more "flat-lined" rating than Coach. Yeah, Candace was booted and we weren't supposed to feel bad for her at all... but if Coach was a legitimate boot target you can bet we'd be rooting for him to go too. I'm not going to go into details because the calls have already been "resolved" and at this point it's apparent that there's a difference of opinion. Finally, the most interesting thing out of all this to me is Taj's rating. I voted CPP saying, "I can't point to any specifics for the positive tone; with her generally happy demeanor, it's hard to separate Taj the person from Taj the Survivor character." For some odd reason the topic of her tone didn't really come up until after everyone had voted and she was given a solid CPP. I still cannot really point to anything specific in the editing that screams "positive". However, I went into the episode not caring one iota for her and came out really rooting for her to stay around. Rabid fandom? Possibly, but I'd like to think it was some editorial intent that pushed me behind her. Anyway, now that her tone has been questioned by a couple, I'd really like someone with a more keen-eye for this who voted "P" (as many of us did) to possibly point out a specific? Or anything that would help? I'm excited for this next episode, but I don't really see how my winner's picks could change too much from this one. It seems like Taj may quickly become a huge distraction and it should be interesting to see if Sierra gets any time to cool off or if she's up for booting again. |
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SJHalle |
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I agree Kitty. Coach should be OTTN, especially if Candace was. He was definitely more N in my mind and OTT for all of the reasons listed by FLF.
I absolutely agree with Erinn getting an UTR though, she didn't have any confessionals. Tyson had at least two, and he was way more involved with the boot story line. He was one of the few people shown questioning Coach during his Candace is a Cancer campaign. If anything I'd argue CP for him as opposed to MOR, but I think MOR is in fact the correct call. Erinn was nothing more than UTR, she had a bunch of reaction shots yeah, it's probably setting her up to be an important player later on, but right now she is not at all. You can argue that she showed insight at TC, but she was virtually no where to be found until just before Tribal, aside from a few shots of her reactions to goings on around camp. If she's MOR, which I don't think she is, Tyson is CP, since we got way more personal insight into what he's thinking. There's no way they were the same. I'd hardly say she made an impact on the casual viewer. |
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I LUV TIJUANA |
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Posts: 12165 (02/26/09 2:21 PM) Registered user |
I still think it's weird that Erinn got UTR in the premiere while Jerry got MORP.
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AndreSurvivor |
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Posts: 337 (02/26/09 2:22 PM) |
I agree with all the comments recently. Coach not being OTT is amazing to me, but I don't think he wins and is
nowhere near my winner's list, so I'll just keep his edit as a whole in my mind when making those types of predictions.
What can we take away from this? Every vote is worth about 4-5%, so it may be worth 10-15 minutes on a Sunday afternoon or Monday morning to make sure you vote. Recommendation Can we have a close call voting session? After our discussion about a wacky three-way vote or tight two-way vote for certain characters, we vote again, because I always hear about people saying "I voted CP, but I will gladly switch to OTT to prevent MOR" or "You guys changed my mind after my original vote." Buyer's remorse anyone? Example: When choosing an RNC chairman, they go through several voting rounds, where the lowest vote getters are eliminated from contention and the top ones face off again. Maybe we can do that. An example of a simple, IP-blocking poll. Anyone would be able to vote, but it's an idea, possibly to give those in charge of being a watchdog or tie breaker to get a feel of what both hardcore and casual Edgicians are thinking. A little http://sigpoll.com poll like this can appear under every close call post:
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ncassaro |
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astroline wrote: What bothers me most is that Erinn was UTR2... same rating as Joe. Huh?! |
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SFC |
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Warrior wrote: I'm going to make some guesses on the contenders Tyson-Yellow Sierra-Green Stephen-Orange Coach-Red Jerry-Blue |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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I gave Joe a one. The problem with visibility is that too many people just read what's on Warrior's chart and go with that. If that's the case,
then what's the point of voting for visibility at all? Why not just automatically give those visibilities to the contestants and have close calls be close
calls?
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Warrior |
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SFC ...WRONG!
(colors are random) |
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