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augustus713		#3281	[-]
Posts: 76 (04/16/09 7:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	9RedWing19 wrote: Green Coffee wrote: However, hopefully this episode shows that Erinn is out of it. I had no idea where Erinn stood as we went into the biggest vote of the season. All she said was that she had options, but she didn't play any role whatsoever in any of the strategy or final decisions. It was all JT, Stephen, Coach, and Brendan. There was PLENTY of stuff going on and she was likely in at least one of the loops, yet she was given nothing. I just can't imagine why she would be the winner, given this edit. You are sadly underestimating Craig's creativity ... Well, this was only part 2 of the merge. We still have parts 3 and 4 left before we can make our merger winner picks.
colleenlover		#3282	[-]
Posts: 9113 (04/16/09 7:19 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nah, i don't think Sierra's out next -not with Probst, "Sierra must fight for her life" blah blah blah. Tyson telling her to her face she's not smart etc. they don't do that in previews. Sierra gets mad and angry; Tyson talks about how Erinn is in his pocket and that she's also an idiot but will use her for final seven numbers. Coach talks about honor. Tyson misses out on immunity, but rips Sierra apart, and then has egg on his face when he's voted out and Erinn laughs to herself. Probst says, "Well, Tyson never saw that coming -that was quite a blindside (TM)."
sunflower101		#3283	[-]
Posts: 4496 (04/16/09 7:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Green Coffee wrote: Who wins? Stephen? JT? Stephen? JT? Stephen? JT? I honestly still do not know and can see the editing supporting either one. However, hopefully this episode shows that Erinn is out of it. I had no idea where Erinn stood as we went into the biggest vote of the season. All she said was that she had options, but she didn't play any role whatsoever in any of the strategy or final decisions. It was all JT, Stephen, Coach, and Brendan. There was PLENTY of stuff going on and she was likely in at least one of the loops, yet she was given nothing. I just can't imagine why she would be the winner, given this edit. I thought it was just hinting that eventually Erinn joins up with JT/Stephen/Taj later on. Once both Tyson/Brendan are gone could possibly win an immunity challenge too. I don't think Erinn wins but she does help boot Tyson/Coach sooner rather then later.
BlakeB717		#3284	[-]
Posts: 1476 (04/16/09 7:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think Erinn wins but she does help boot Tyson/Coach sooner rather then later. I think I've said that 500 times since Episode 3! Nice to see people say it. ERINN HELPS TAKE OUT HER CRITICS--THAT IS IT.
I LUV TIJUANA		#3285	[-]
Posts: 12536 (04/16/09 7:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colleenlover wrote: Sierra gets mad and angry; Tyson talks about how Erinn is in his pocket and that she's also an idiot but will use her for final seven numbers. Coach talks about honor. Tyson misses out on immunity, but rips Sierra apart, and then has egg on his face when he's voted out and Erinn laughs to herself. Probst says, "Well, Tyson never saw that coming -that was quite a blindside (TM)." X. I still haven't eliminated any of the girls besides Debbie. You never know. But I'm fairly certain Stephen will win.
sunflower101		#3286	[-]
Posts: 4497 (04/16/09 7:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ncassaro wrote: sunflower101 wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Okay, at this point, I don't know why the fucking Exile Alliance even matters. They wasted so much time on it and they break down after one vote. Sierra maybe makes a come back and Joins up with Taj/Stephen/JT/Erinn and boots at least Tyson/Coach. In Survivor, it's hard to turn at F8.... recruiting 2 people is tough. I expect Sierra out next and a shift at F7, which is traditionally shift time because 4-3 breakdowns are very easy to achieve. I don't see Tyson/Coach wanting to give up their dream warrior alliance. If they decide to keep Sierra a little while longer, they would probably try and target Taj next. I don't see Stephen/JT wanting to boot Taj with so many Timbras still in the game.
ncassaro		#3287	[-]
Posts: 973 (04/16/09 7:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colleenlover wrote: Nah, i don't think Sierra's out next -not with Probst, "Sierra must fight for her life" blah blah blah. Tyson telling her to her face she's not smart etc. they don't do that in previews. Sierra gets mad and angry; Tyson talks about how Erinn is in his pocket and that she's also an idiot but will use her for final seven numbers. Coach talks about honor. Tyson misses out on immunity, but rips Sierra apart, and then has egg on his face when he's voted out and Erinn laughs to herself. Probst says, "Well, Tyson never saw that coming -that was quite a blindside (TM)." I just don't understand why anyone would want to keep Sierra around. The only shot she has is getting the Jalapaos to tie the vote, in which case Erinn would definitely avoid the tie. But with how much people talk, I just don't see the Jalapaos sticking their necks out for her. JT and Stephen are certainly comfortable in an all-threat alliance that they know they can/will turn on with their idol, Taj will want to keep fewer non-threats around so she's the only non-threat, and Erinn will want to take Sierra out so she can have the only remaining swing vote. If Timbira decimates themselves and Taj/JT/Stephen are our final three, this will be the best season ever.
sunflower101		#3288	[-]
Posts: 4498 (04/16/09 7:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colleenlover wrote: jedi, great catch on the lightning and Stephen having the confessional in the voting booth. Seems the winner should have one here -did JT? Again, it could be the feel good final two and both are edited accordingly. If not, then production just loved JT and he gets the Kathy/Rupert/Colleen/Rudy/Lis treatment -makes sense. I'll have to revisit both Stephen and JT's edit and see where it's at. if Sierra had just a touch more confessionals in the past few episodes, I'd give more credence to Stephen winning with her in the final two. This season would have been really juicy if they had given Debbie,Erinn, and Sierra more confessionals to confuse us. How were both Yul/Ozzy edited compared to this. The closets comparison I can think of, if both Stephen/JT are the final 2.
Oowatanite		#3289	[-]
Posts: 7328 (04/16/09 7:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ncassaro wrote: HOLY SHIT! Weak ep. for Stephen but he is definitely still in the running. Great episode for JT, he is a contender again. They will try to make us think otherwise, but Sierra will be eliminated next. I think Erinn flips to Jalapao at F7. Who knows?!?! This episode only pushes JT out even furthur as the "big distraction". The only weak part for Stephen edgically in this episode was his unnecessarily mean voting comment. I thought he was voting for Coach when he said it. Also, both JT and Stephen got the "we're in control now" kiss of death in their water conference scene. Erinn got a "status of my game position" report, as well as a strategy scene with JT, probably laying the groundwork for the future end game. Erinn was not part of the betrayals and backstabs of Coach and Tyson and JT and Stephen. She was not a target, and she was not needed to provide exposition of who's targetting who. It was not Erinn's decision on who to take out, as she quite rightly is laying low until the numbers get down. It WAS interesting that Erinn used Joe to bond with JT in the fishing scene. A possible F2 ?
sunflower101		#3290	[-]
Posts: 4499 (04/16/09 7:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ncassaro wrote: colleenlover wrote: Nah, i don't think Sierra's out next -not with Probst, "Sierra must fight for her life" blah blah blah. Tyson telling her to her face she's not smart etc. they don't do that in previews. Sierra gets mad and angry; Tyson talks about how Erinn is in his pocket and that she's also an idiot but will use her for final seven numbers. Coach talks about honor. Tyson misses out on immunity, but rips Sierra apart, and then has egg on his face when he's voted out and Erinn laughs to herself. Probst says, "Well, Tyson never saw that coming -that was quite a blindside (TM)." I just don't understand why anyone would want to keep Sierra around. The only shot she has is getting the Jalapaos to tie the vote, in which case Erinn would definitely avoid the tie. But with how much people talk, I just don't see the Jalapaos sticking their necks out for her. JT and Stephen are certainly comfortable in an all-threat alliance that they know they can/will turn on with their idol, Taj will want to keep fewer non-threats around so she's the only non-threat, and Erinn will want to take Sierra out so she can have the only remaining swing vote. If Timbira decimates themselves and Taj/JT/Stephen are our final three, this will be the best season ever. Tyson loses immunity and maybe they see it as a chance to take him out. He has just won 2 in a row. The editing just seems fairly obvious for a Sierra boot, but I thought Tyson was going to be voted out tonight so you never know.
LKMOSCAR		#3291	[-]
Posts: 6234 (04/16/09 7:33 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It was not Erinn's decision on who to take out, as she quite rightly is laying low until the numbers get down. As I said, she did get the scene/confessional last episode (actually, though, as Trixie pointed out, it was from day 22-4) about wanting Brendan and Sierra out.....and look what happened tonight =o
The Purple Parrot		#3292	[-]
Posts: 9955 (04/16/09 7:34 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think I'm gonna hop on the "Erinn wins" train after this episode. I just wish we could have heard from her for her reasons for voting Brendan out instead of Coach. I mean, you'd think she would jump at a chance to get Coach out...
colleenlover		#3293	[-]
Posts: 9114 (04/16/09 7:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ncassero, the thing though is JT, Taj, and Stephen still don't know where they really stand- and can fear the Timbera numbers at seven -afterall, they all worked together on this vote (Erinn, Coach, Debbie, and Tyson) and Sierra has been publicly been pushed out high and dry -can't bluff that they were willing to cut her free as a distraction to the Jalepos. If Tyson has publicly forced her out and it's common knowledge, she probably just tells them right out she'll work with them all the way. And remember jal has the idol too. Sierra got the comment that she loved JT too, and brenden's comment in final words that he has the idol and it won't help Sierra now. Sierra's exhile comment how she had to climb up and is now at the top -now she's at the bottom again. Just seemed she has earlier roots to themes down the line, whereas Erinn's is defined by Tyson's want to see her cry at council.
Mega64		#3294	[-]
Posts: 10002 (04/16/09 7:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I wouldn't surprised if Sierra won immunity or got the HII to save her own ass. I mean, I would be surprised if Sierra of all people actually won immunity, but that would explain how she'd have a chance to stay in the game. Otherwise, there's no reason for her to stay.
Oowatanite		#3295	[-]
Posts: 7330 (04/16/09 7:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Purple Parrot wrote: I think I'm gonna hop on the "Erinn wins" train after this episode. I just wish we could have heard from her for her reasons for voting Brendan out instead of Coach. I mean, you'd think she would jump at a chance to get Coach out... Coach gives good backrubs while Brendan needlessly challenged her at the RC.
James Barber		#3296	[-]
Posts: 15046 (04/16/09 7:44 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I LUV TIJUANA wrote: Stephen wins, unless they're pulling a Marcus on us. JT is the biggest distraction ever, I'm not sure why people aren't seeing that. They both come across as distractions. I'm not sure if this means they both end up making F2 and we're supposed to be seeing their very different ways of playing the game, or if it means neither of the make F2. Stephen's edit veers back and forth. Sometimes we see his anxiety and more introspection from him, other times he gets more of the overconfident, untrustworthy edit of a person who goes right before F2. I think Taj probably makes F2, maybe Stephen wins easily, and this is why Jeff is always dissing her.
HarryBells	New name old eyes	#3297	[-]
Posts: 1 (04/16/09 7:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is there a unified Edgic pick for winner?
Warrior		#3298	[-]
Posts: 2876 (04/16/09 7:50 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WOW
BlakeB717		#3299	[-]
Posts: 1477 (04/16/09 7:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I constantly remind myself of some comments made in earlier episodes: JT "I could sure use a million dollars a lot more than Taj would" (ep2) Erinn "We've only known these people for a few days... you can't trust them" ... (merge) Stephen "I've only known these people for a few days so I can't completely trust what they are telling me" Taj "I want this and that's my cause and I'm gonna get it" Sierra "Why are we doing this? Oh right, a million dollars--a million dollars" The fact still remains that JT has mentioned the million dollars the most out of everyone, about 5 times (not including all the people who now want him to win)? I don't think anyone else has even gotten 2 mentions of the win. Remember Parvati had a lot of quotes about winning (and no one else really did) and she was "running the show" early in the merger but then disappated when blindsides were getting crazy. Man oh man I need to view tonight's episode one more time but it's a big one--I think it's JT. He shouldn't be getting this much craft if he's a Rupert. I'm scared that Stephen, like Cirie, just has quality, clear confessionals that could save the editors manipulation time--remember how Kenny and Cirie both had "growth" in the outdoors?
LKMOSCAR		#3300	[-]
Posts: 6236 (04/16/09 7:57 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How can Debra have a confessional without speaking? ETA: According to your chart, Tyson should be a 3.

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