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Survivor Gameplay Poll - FINAL RESULTS UP - PAGE 77

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mfrimley		#1681	[-]
Posts: 1101 (04/12/09 11:47 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: Why am I not surprised that this thread didn't die at page 77 with the poll like it should have? This thread will last for a thousand years, dummkopf.
craig		#1682	[-]
Posts: 15447 (04/12/09 8:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Then you missed the point completely. I give more credit to those who get to the end under the pretense that there will be a certain number of finalists. S1-S14 played under the pretense of a final 2, and that's how everyone's games were fashioned. S15-17 played under the pretense of a final 3, and that's how everyone's games were fashioned. I addressed that point partly when I argued that Amber, Vee, and Sandra couldn't have won in a F3 situation, even if they knew it was coming. I don't think it made any difference in S13 or S16 (and maybe not in S14 either). Cook Islands - imagine if endgame rules were fairer, with everyone knowing it was F3 and Yul's idol expiring F5. Nothing really chages, because Becky and Sundra were blindly loyal to Yul, Ozzy can do nothing without their votes, and Ozzy thought he had a good shot against Yul anyway (wrongly thinking he made more enemies playing the mastermind role). Becky won't vote for Yul at F4 - though maybe Yul ends up in the firemakling tiebreaker where he beats Sundra after she runs outr of flint. Fiji - Cassie and Dreamz only had a decent shot of winning against Stacy. If they knew it was F3 they'd try to blindside Yao-man and his idol at F6, and he's play the idol and eliminate Stacy, ensuring that Cassie and Dreamz couldn't win. Micronesia - Cirie said she'd probably go to F3 with Parvmanda and take her chances, even if she know it was a F2. If she tried to allign with Erik at F5, he'd probably win. If she tried to boot Parvati at F4, Nat and Parv could compare notes and boot her rather than do fire-makling. Besdies, Cirie thought she had the best chance against Parvati. And as Kathy found out in S4, even if you break up a tight pair at F4 the surviving member may well boot you at F3 if they think they have a better shot against someone else. (Cire is Kathy and Natalie is Vee in this analogy.) People can't change their game as much as you think, CR. Unless they decide a F3 gives them no real shot, and simply play for their friends to win, as several have done.
chapera rocks		#1683	[-]
Posts: 10713 (04/12/09 10:25 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I addressed that point partly when I argued that Amber, Vee, and Sandra couldn't have won in a F3 situation, even if they knew it was coming. I don't think it made any difference in S13 or S16 (and maybe not in S14 either). So what if they couldn't win under circumstances that they weren't playing under? Not to mention a final 3 was unheard of back then. That's my point; Parvati wouldn't have won under normal circumstances, without an 11th hour change. She played a game for a final 3 that she would have lost in.
craig		#1684	[-]
Posts: 15451 (04/12/09 11:20 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You made a big issue about the number of finalists being a surprise in S13 and S16. I've shown that Parvati made the best of every situation, and that Cirie (a) admits she wouldn't have played the endgame differently and (b) really couldn't have made any move that would have improved her situation much if she'd known about F2. So what's the big deal about it being a surprise? You know as a Raro fan, I was all set to disrespect Yul for having the overpowerful idol, benefitting from F3 etc But when I saw how the game actually played out I had to respect his game. What I hate most about your line of argument, is it sets winners like Brian and Todd up as being "better" merely because the game design was pretty simple (fewer "abnormal circumstances" than usual), and so much of their "luck" was front-loaded in composition of tribes, etc. Rather, the best players should be those who made the most good moves and the fewest bad ones, and who overcome the biggest obstacles. Face it, there are circustances that aren't "normal" almost every season, that could be seen as taiting the winners. Last Edited By: craig 04/12/09 11:25 PM. Edited 1 times.
mfrimley		#1685	[-]
Posts: 1102 (04/13/09 4:48 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig, you need to stop being such a dry piece of toast and lay the smackdown. Stop letting this kiddiot bitchslap your ho.
bryanpasa		#1686	[-]
Posts: 841 (04/13/09 5:30 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I really predicted Parvictory!!
chapera rocks		#1687	[-]
Posts: 10715 (04/13/09 9:12 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	mfrimley wrote: craig, you need to stop being such a dry piece of toast and lay the smackdown. Stop letting this kiddiot bitchslap your ho. Not everyone trolls as well as you.
mfrimley		#1688	[-]
Posts: 1103 (04/13/09 11:52 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That's not trolling, that's just establishing who's boss in a place where flaming is the coin of the realm. If somebody has an adolescent, Hinckleyesque obsession with somebody, they should be prepared to go to war over them.
McPhever224		#1689	[-]
Posts: 219 (04/13/09 3:31 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm so happy Parv won...<3
craig		#1690	[-]
Posts: 15458 (04/13/09 8:13 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Wrong context Swine\Frimley. My debate with CR here is basically a conceptual issue of winner analysis - like 2 baseball geeks arguing about the best player of all-time using different criteria. This is harder with Survivor than baseball, because the game design changes every season and nobody plays more than once or twice. If all the winners played 10 times against strangers, even the best would do well to win 3/10. Like baseball batting averages.
mfrimley		#1691	[-]
Posts: 1104 (04/13/09 8:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite
ImANewUser		#1692	[-]
Posts: 1553 (04/14/09 6:26 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mikester wrote: 1. "James evacuation was SO lucky for Parvati!" This is the most retarded one I've seen the Parv-haters come up with. For those paying attention to the show, James evacuation almost left us with a f5 of Alexis, Natalie, Erik vs Cirie, Parvati. Yeah that's real fucking lucky for Parvati. Well, assuming Erik still wins the F5 Reward, Parv goes to Exile, finds the idol (remember she found it but threw it away due to not wanting to cause drama - smart move, but this shows how easy the editors hid it - & Parv/Cirie have a shot again (due to an idol, which would've prob. led to more discussion on luck).
RobVanStratus		#1693	[-]
Posts: 8088 (04/14/09 9:36 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But Parvati found the idol on exile because Amanda found the last one and used it. If Amanda doesn't find the idol and gets voted off at F6, the idol is still the one that is hidden at camp. And since Parv/Amanda worked together to find the idol, it might be harder with only 1 ally at camp to distract them. One of the fans would have noticed something was up and gone to find Parvati. Plus with Alexis there instead of Amanda, that changes everything. Erik might not be gullible and fall for sending Parvati to Exile. Cirie probably leaves in 5th because Parvati is less likeable, and Erik probably wins the IC and votes off Parvati for voting off his fuckbuddy Ozzy. Erik probably beats the girls in the F3 IC, takes either one and probably wins.
JackSparrowBauer		#1694	[-]
Posts: 584 (04/14/09 5:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jacare15 wrote: Alexis said Natalie was too gung ho on being with Parv. I cannot tell you how much I love Natalie <3 Plz get her to come on here, she has lots of fans. If Erik won, that would've been a disaster. I actually kind of like how nobody's sure whether it'll be a Final 2 or Final 3, it makes the gameplay much more interesting. In a perfect world, they'd keep the possibility of a Final 3 over their heads until the end, then have it be a Final 2. Also in a perfect world, the Final 3 would never happen again.
ImANewUser		#1695	[-]
Posts: 1558 (04/14/09 9:50 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	RobVanStratus wrote: But Parvati found the idol on exile because Amanda found the last one and used it. If Amanda doesn't find the idol and gets voted off at F6, the idol is still the one that is hidden at camp. And since Parv/Amanda worked together to find the idol, it might be harder with only 1 ally at camp to distract them. One of the fans would have noticed something was up and gone to find Parvati. Plus with Alexis there instead of Amanda, that changes everything. Erik might not be gullible and fall for sending Parvati to Exile. Cirie probably leaves in 5th because Parvati is less likeable, and Erik probably wins the IC and votes off Parvati for voting off his fuckbuddy Ozzy. Erik probably beats the girls in the F3 IC, takes either one and probably wins. Well, I forgot about the idol being at camp. But Amanda told Parv that it was at camp, so if she didn't find the idol, Parv would've had an idea of where it was. And it would've been Parv/Cirie working instead of Parv/Amanda. But who knows, really?
craig		#1696	[-]
Posts: 15480 (04/18/09 7:54 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If nobody is going to post the final list, here is the Top 40 Parvati Shallow - 8.14 Yau-Man Chan - 7.93 Rob Mariano - 7.90 Yul Kwon - 7.84 Earl Cole - 7.82 Cirie Fields (S16) - 7.77 Richard Hatch - 7.74 Cirie Fields (S12) - 7.56 Todd Herzog - 7.45 Sandra Diaz-Twine - 7.44 Amber Brkich - 7.36 Brian Heidik - 7.35 Rob Cesternino - 7.32 Vecepia Towery - 7.24 Tina Wesson - 7.16 Chris Daugherty - 7.09 Jonny Fairplay - 7.08 Ken Hoang - 6.89 Candice Woodcock - 6.85 Ami Cusack - 6.72 Jonathan Penner - 6.69 Natalie Bolton - 6.66 Danni Boatright - 6.64 Jenna Morasca - 6.62 Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien - 6.56 Peih-Gee Law - 6.54 Julie Berry - 6.51 Cassandra Franklin - 6.49 Crystal Cox - 6.47 Amanda Kimmel (S16) - 6.44 Susie Smith - 6.43 Stacy Kimball - 6.42 Parvati Shallow (S13) - 6.39 Ozzy Lusth - 6.38 Tom Westman 6.38 Amanda Kimmel (S15) - 6.36 Eliza Orlins - 6.32 Twila Tanner - 6.31 Michelle Yi - 6.30 Stephenie LaGrossa (S11) - 6.29 Everyone else was listed by season in DD's last update. 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Andersen (#290/295)(Avg: 1.94) Remaining Contestants: Richard Season 2: The Australian Outback (1) 01- 02- Colby Donaldson (#54/295) (Avg: 5.90) 03- Jerri Manthey (#88/295) (Avg: 5.31) 04- Keith Famie (#110/295) (Avg: 4.82) 05- Michael Skupin (#122/295) (Avg: 4.64) 06- Jeff Varner (#124/295) (Avg: 4.61) 07- Rodger Bingham (#142/295) (Avg: 4.37) 08- Elisabeth Filarski (#150/295) (Avg: 4.31) 09- Alicia Calaway (#151/295)(Avg: 4.28) 10- Nick Brown (#168/295)(Avg: 4.05) 11- Amber Brkich (#211/295)(Avg: 3.45) 12- Mitchell Olsen (#222/295)(Avg: 3.23) 13- Kimmi Kappenberg (#244/295)(Avg: 2.87) 14- Marilyn Hershey (#251/295)(Avg: 2.76) 15- Kel Gleason (#283/295)(Avg: 2.04) 16- Debb Eaton (#286/295)(Avg: 2.00) Remaining Contestants: Tina Season 3: Africa 01- Ethan Zohn (#47/295) (Avg: 6.09) 02- Teresa Cooper (#62/295) (Avg: 5.69) 03- Lex van den Berghe (#66/295)(Avg: 5.64) 04- Kelly Goldsmith (#92/295)(Avg: 5.20) 05- Tom Buchanan (#105/295)(Avg: 4.96) 06- Kim Johnson (#128/295)(Avg: 4.57) 07- Silas Gaither (#136/295)(Avg: 4.47) 08- Frank Garrison (#189/295)(Avg: 3.84) 09- Kim Powers (#191/295)(Avg: 3.82) 10- Lindsey Richter (#203/295)(Avg: 3.72) 11- Brandon Quinton (#208/295)(Avg: 3.49) 12- Clarence Black (#212/295)(Avg: 3.44) 13- Carl Bilancione (#231/295)(Avg: 3.01) 14- Linda Spencer (#233/295)(Avg: 2.99) 15- Jessie Camacho (#285/295)(Avg: 2.02) 16- Diane Ogden (#292/295)(Avg: 1.83) Season 4: Marquesas (2) 01- 02- 03- Sean Rector (#50/295) (Avg: 6.01) 04- Rob Mariano (#69/295)(Avg: 5.59) 05- Neleh Dennis (#72/295)(Avg: 5.51) 06- Tammy Leitner (#90/295)(Avg: 5.29) 07- John Carroll (#100/295)(Avg: 5.00) 08- Paschal English (#107/295)(Avg: 4.91) 09- Robert "General" DeCanio (#131/295)(Avg: 4.54) 10- Gina Crews (#163/295)(Avg: 4.11) 11- Zoe Zanidakis (#195/295)(Avg: 3.79) 12- Hunter Ellis (#218/295)(Avg: 3.30) 13- Sarah Jones (#227/295)(Avg: 3.07) 14- Gabriel Cade (#275/295)(Avg: 2.17) 15- Peter Harkey (#283/295)(Avg: 2.04) 16- Patricia Jackson (#291/295)(Avg: 1.87) Remaining Contestants: Vecepia, Kathy Season 5: Thailand (1) 01- 02- Helen Glover (#75/295)(Avg: 5.45) 03- Clay Jordan (#87/295)(Avg: 5.32) 04- Jake Billingsley (#97/295)(Avg: 5.08) 05- Shii Ann Huang (#108/295)(Avg: 4.84) 06- Penny Ramsey (#118/295)(Avg: 4.68) 07- Ted Rogers (#130/295)(Avg: 4.55) 08- Ken Stafford (#165/295)(Avg: 4.10) 09- Erin Collins (#199/295)(Avg: 3.75) 10- Jan Gentry (#216/295)(Avg: 3.34) 11- Robb Zbacnik (#240/295)(Avg: 2.89) 12- Tanya Vance (#272/295)(Avg: 2.23) 13- Ghandia Johnson (#276/295)(Avg: 2.14) 14- Jed Hildebrand (#279/295)(Avg: 2.09) 15- Stephanie Dill (#281/295)(Avg: 2.08) 16- John Raymond (#288/295)(Avg: 1.95) Remaining Contestants: Brian Season 6: Amazon (2) 01- 02- 03- Deena Bennett (#52/295) (Avg: 5.96) 04- Heidi Strobel (#61/295) (Avg: 5.74) 05- Matthew von Ertfelda (#85/295)(Avg: 5.33) 06- Alex Bell (#136/295)(Avg: 4.47) 07- Butch Lockley (#170/295)(Avg: 4.03) 08- Dave Johnson (#173/295)(Avg: 4.02) 09- Christy Smith (#183/295)(Avg: 3.93) 10- Jeanne Hebert (#223/295)(Avg: 3.19) 11- Shawna Mitchell (#228/295)(Avg: 3.04) 12- Roger Sexton (#234/295)(Avg: 2.96) 13- Ryan $$$@ (#266/295)(Avg: 2.44) 14- JoAnna Ward (#270/295)(Avg: 2.31) 15- Daniel Lue (#271/295)(Avg: 2.30) 16- Janet Koth (#274/295)(Avg: 2.19) Remaining Contestants: Jenna, Rob C Season 7: Pearl Islands (2)* 01- 02- 03- Burton Roberts (#57/295) (Avg: 5.88) 04- Lillian Morris (#71/295)(Avg: 5.52) 05- Christa Hastie (#75/295)(Avg: 5.45) 06- Tijuana Bradley (#84/295)(Avg: 5.34) 07- Darrah Johnson (#102/295)(Avg: 4.99) 08- Andrew Savage (#109/295)(Avg: 4.83) 09 - Rupert Boneham (#132/295) (Avg: 4.52) 10 - Ryan Opray (#142/295) (Avg: 4.37) 11- Trish Dunn (#148/295)(Avg: 4.33) 12- Shawn Cohen (#179/295)(Avg: 3.95) 13- Michelle Tesauro (#226/295)(Avg: 3.09) 14- Ryan Shoulders (#238/295)(Avg: 2.90) 15- Nicole Delma (#259/295)(Avg: 2.64) 16- Osten Taylor (#278/295)(Avg: 2.12) Remaining Contestants: Sandra, Jon Season 8: All Stars (2) 01- 02- 03- Shii Ann Huang (#45/295) (Avg: 6.14) 04- Jenna Lewis (#47/295) (Avg: 6.09) 05- Jerri Manthey (#58/295) (Avg: 5.80) 06- Ethan Zohn (#64/295) (Avg: 5.67) 07- Richard Hatch (#80/295)(Avg: 5.39) 08- Rupert Boneham (#93/295)(Avg: 5.19) 09- Tom Buchanan (#104/295)(Avg: 4.98) 10- Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien (#118/295)(Avg: 4.68) 11- Colby Donaldson (#144/295)(Avg: 4.36) 12- Alicia Calaway (#160/295)(Avg: 4.20) 13- Rudy Boesch (#172/295)(Avg: 4.02) 14- Rob Cesternino (#174/295)(Avg: 4.01) 15- Lex Van Den Berghe (#182/295)(Avg: 3.94) 16- Tina Wesson (#193/295)(Avg: 3.81) 17- Jenna Morasca (#201/295)(Avg: 3.74) 18- Sue Hawk (#224/295)(Avg: 3.14) Remaining Contestants: Amber, Rob M Season 9: Vanuatu (5) 01- 02- 03- 04- 05- 06- Scout Cloud Lee (#51/295) (Avg: 5.98) 07- LeAnn Slaby (#94/295)(Avg: 5.17) 08- Rory Freeman (#123/295)(Avg: 4.62) 09- Lea "Sarge" Masters (#147/295)(Avg: 4.34) 10- Chad Crittenden (#157/295)(Avg: 4.24) 11- Brady Finta (#218/295)(Avg: 3.30) 12- Lisa Keiffer (#221/295)(Avg: 3.26) 13- John Kenney (#235/295)(Avg: 2.93) 14- Travis "Bubba" Sampson (#236/295)(Avg: 2.91) 15- Brook Geraghty (#238/295)(Avg: 2.90) 16- John Paylok (#253/295)(Avg: 2.74) 17- Dolly Neely (#262/295)(Avg: 2.51) 18- Mia Galeotalanza (#264/295)(Avg: 2.46) Remaining Contestants: Chris, Twila, Eliza, Julie, Ami Season 10: Palau (1) 01- 02- Stephenie LaGrossa (#56/295) (Avg: 5.89) 03- Gregg Carey (#82/295)(Avg: 5.37) 04- Katie Gallagher (#95/295)(Avg: 5.16) 05- Jenn Lyon (#102/295)(Avg: 4.99) 06- Ian Rosenberger (#112/295)(Avg: 4.81) 07- Bobby Jon Drinkard (#133/295)(Avg: 4.50) 08- Angie Jakusz (#135/295)(Avg: 4.48) 09- Coby Archa (#144/295)(Avg: 4.36) 10- Caryn Groedel (#202/295)(Avg: 3.73) 11- James Miller (#206/295)(Avg: 3.60) 12- Ibrehem Rahman (#216/295)(Avg: 3.34) 13- Janu Tornell (#242/295)(Avg: 2.88) 14- Willard Smith (#246/295)(Avg: 2.86) 15- Kim Mullen (#247/295)(Avg: 2.85) 16- Jeff Wilson (#252/295)(Avg: 2.75) 17- Jolanda Jones (#263/295)(Avg: 2.49) 18- Wanda Shirk (#288/295)(Avg: 1.95) 19- Ashlee Ashby (#294/295)(Avg: 1.82) 20- Jonathan Libby (#295/295)(Avg: 1.58) Remaining Contestants: Tom Season 11: Guatemala (2) 01- 02- 03- Rafe Judkins (#46/295) (Avg: 6.13) 04- Gary Hogeboom (#59/295) (Avg: 5.78) 05- Brian Corridan (#79/295)(Avg: 5.42) 06- Amy o'Hara (#126/295)(Avg: 4.58) 06- Judd Sergeant (#126/295)(Avg: 4.58) 08- Lydia Morales (#129/295)(Avg: 4.56) 09- Brandon Bellinger (#134/295)(Avg: 4.49) 10- Cindy Hall (#136/295)(Avg: 4.47) 11- Bobby Jon Drinkard (#156/295)(Avg: 4.25) 12- Jamie Newton (#184/295)(Avg: 3.92) 13- Margaret Bobonich (#186/295)(Avg: 3.89) 14- Brooke Struck (#207/295)(Avg: 3.58) 15- Blake Towsley (#248/295)(Avg: 2.79) 16- Brianna Varela (#273/295)(Avg: 2.20) 17- Jim Lynch (#282/295)(Avg: 2.06) 18- Morgan McDevitt (#287/295)(Avg: 1.98) Remaining Contestants: Danni, Stephenie Season 12: Panama (1) 01- 02- Danielle DiLorenzo (#43/295) (Avg: 6.20) 03- Aras Baskauskas (#49/295) (Avg: 6.03) 04- Terry Deitz (#110/295)(Avg: 4.82) 05- Bruce Kanegai (#117/295)(Avg: 4.70) 06- Sally Schumann (#125/295)(Avg: 4.59) 07- Shane Powers (#146/295)(Avg: 4.35) 08- Austin Carty (#162/295)(Avg: 4.14) 09- Courtney Marit (#167/295)(Avg: 4.07) 10- Misty Giles (#190/295)(Avg: 3.83) 11- Nick Stanbury (#198/295)(Avg: 3.76) 12- Dan Barry (#214/295)(Avg: 3.42) 13- Ruth-Marie Milliman (#220/295)(Avg: 3.27) 14- Bobby Mason (#242/295)(Avg: 2.88) 15- Melinda Hyder (#261/295)(Avg: 2.61) 16- Tina Scheer (#268/295)(Avg: 2.35) Remaining Contestants: Cirie Season 13: Cook Islands (5) 01- 02- 03- 04- 05- 06- Becky Lee (#41/295) (Avg: 6.24) 07- Adam Gentry (#54/295) (Avg: 5.90) 08- Sundra Oakley (#68/295)(Avg: 5.60) 09- Jenny Guzon-Bae (#70/295)(Avg: 5.54) 10- Nathan Gonzalez (#81/295)(Avg: 5.38) 11- Cao Boi Bui (#115/295)(Avg: 4.74) 12- Rebecca Borman (#116/295)(Avg: 4.71) 13- Cristina Coria (#140/295)(Avg: 4.44) 14- Brad Virata (#154/295)(Avg: 4.27) 15- Cecilia Mansilla (#158/295)(Avg: 4.23) 16- JP Calderon (#175/295)(Avg: 4.00) 17- Stephannie Favor (#188/295)(Avg: 3.87) 18- Jessica "Flicka" Smith (#205/295)(Avg: 3.66) 19- Sekou Bunch (#230/295)(Avg: 3.02) 20- Billy Garcia (#244/295)(Avg: 2.87) Remaining Contestants: Yul, Ozzy, Parvati, Jonathan, Candice Season 14: Fiji (5) 01- 02- 03- 04- 05- 06- Alex Angarita (#41/295) (Avg: 6.24) 07- Edgardo Rivera (#66/295)(Avg: 5.64) 08- Boo Bernis (#75/295)(Avg: 5.45) 09- Mookie Lee (#78/295)(Avg: 5.43) 10- Dreamz Herd (#96/295)(Avg: 5.12) 11- Sylvia Kwan (#161/295)(Avg: 4.17) 12- Anthony Robinson (#166/295)(Avg: 4.08) 13- Erica Durousseau (#195/295)(Avg: 3.97) 14- James "Rocky" Reid (#195/295)(Avg: 3.79) 15- Rita Verreos (#197/295)(Avg:3.78) 16- Liliana Gomez (#199/295)(Avg: 3.75) 17- Lisi Linares(#209/295)(Avg: 3.48) 18- Jessica daBen (#212/295)(Avg: 3.44) 19- Gary Stritesky (#256/295)(Avg: 2.66) Remaining Contestants: Earl, Cassandra, Yau Man, Stacy, Michelle. Season 15: China (3) 01- 02- 03- 04- Courtney Yates (#85/295)(Avg: 5.33) 05- Jaime Dugan (#89/295)(Avg: 5.30) 06- Aaron Reisberger (#140/295)(Avg: 4.44) 07- Jean-Robert Bellande (#148/295)(Avg: 4.33) 08- Frosti Zernow (#159/295)(Avg: 4.23) 09- Erik Huffman (#164/295)(Avg: 4.10) 10- James Clement (#179/295)(Avg: 3.95) 11- Sherea Lloyd (#191/295)(Avg: 3.82) 12- Leslie Nease (#236/295)(Avg: 2.91) 13- Denise Martin (#249/295)(Avg: 2.78) 14- Dave Cruser (#249/295)(Avg: 2.78) 15- Ashley Massaro (#277/295)(Avg: 2.13) 16- Steve "Chicken" Morris (#292/295)(Avg: 1.83) Remaining Contestants: Todd, Amanda, Peih-Gee Season 16: Micronesia (4) 01- 02- 03- 04- 05- Tracy Hughes-Wolf (#44/295) (Avg: 6.15) 06- Eliza Orlins (#52/295) (Avg: 5.96) 07- Jonathan Penner (#59/295) (Avg: 5.78) 08- Ami Cusack (#83/295)(Avg: 5.35) 09- Ozzy Lusth (#91/295) (Avg: 5.27) 10- Alexis Jones (#106/295)(Avg: 4.93) 11- James Clement (#121/295)(Avg: 4.65) 12- Yau Man Chan (#170/295)(Avg: 4.03) 13- Erik Reichenbach (#176/295)(Avg: 3.98) 14- Mikey Bortone (#179/295)(Avg: 3.95) 15- Jason Siska (#185/295)(Avg: 3.91) 16- Joel Anderson (#225/295)(Avg: 3.11) 17- Mary "Who?" Sartain (#229/295)(Avg. 3.03) 18- Chet Welch (#240/295)(Avg: 2.89) 19- Kathy Sleckman (#256/295)(Avg: 2.66) 20- Johnny Fairplay (#256/295)(Avg: 2.66) Remaining Contestants: Parvati, Amanda, Cirie, Natalie Season 17: Gabon (3) 01- 02- 03- 04- Jessica "Sugar" Kiper (#72/295)(Avg: 5.51) 05- Charlie Herschel (#98/295)(Avg: 5.03) 06- Bob Crowley (#99/295)(Avg: 5.02) 07- Ace Gordon (#100/295)(Avg: 5.00) 08- Marcus Lehman (#113/295)(Avg: 4.79) 09- Jacquie Berg (#114/295)(Avg: 4.78) 10- Randy Bailey (#120/295)(Avg: 4.67) 11- Corinne Kaplan (#151/295)(Avg: 4.28) 12- Matty Whitmore (#168/295)(Avg: 4.05) 13- Dan Kay (#187/295)(Avg: 3.88) 14- Kelly Czarnecki (#210/295)(Avg: 3.46) 15- Paloma Soto-Castillo (#232/295)(Avg: 3.00) 16- Gillian Larson (#265/295)(Avg: 2.46) 17- Danny "GC" Brown (#269/295)(Avg: 2.33) 18- Michelle Chase (#279/295)(Avg: 2.09) Remaining Contestants: Susie, Ken, Crystal Overall Winner Rankings 01- 02- 03- 04- 05- 06- 07- 08- 09- 10- 11- 12- 13- 14- 15- Ethan Zohn (Survivor: Africa) - (#47/295 ; Avg: 6.09) 16- Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Panama) - (#49/295 ; Avg: 6.03) 17- Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon) - (#99/295 ; Avg: 5.02) Remaining Contestants: Richard, Tina, Vecepia, Brian, Jenna, Sandra, Amber, Chris, Tom, Danni, Yul, Earl, Todd, Parvati Last Edited By: craig 04/18/09 8:10 PM. 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SwineForkbeard		#1697	[-]
Posts: 2201 (04/18/09 8:04 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You went to all that trouble over data that you know to be tainted? Why don't you suck Ravu's dick while you're at it? It's an insult to the people whose votes (including yours) were diluted.
craig		#1698	[-]
Posts: 15481 (04/18/09 8:06 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	For comparison, here are SSS's gameplay poll resusts from last fall It's more favorable to - Vecepia, S12 Cirie, Rob C, Jenna M, Tom, Rafe Less favourable to - Yul, Yau-man, Rob M, Amber Not much separates the Top 7 in either poll. 40 Greatest Survivor Players 1. Richard Hatch: 545 2. Cirie Fields (Panama): 543.8 3. Earl Cole: 538.1 4. Vecepia Towery: 533.9 5. Rob Cesternino: 528.5 6. Parvati Shallow/Cirie Fields (Micro): 528.1 8. Jenna Morasca: 506.6 9. Todd Herzog: 506.5 10. Jon "Johnny Fairplay" Dalton: 497.1 11. Brian Heidik: 470.1 12. Yul Kwon: 466.5 13. Tina Wesson: 464.8 14. Sandra Diaz Twine: 458.5 15. Yau-Man Chan: 450.5 16. Tom Westman: 428.4 17. Rafe Judkins: 426.2 18. Ami Cusack: 423.7 19. Amber Brkich (ASS): 410.3 20. Kathy Vavrick O'Brien: 405.2 21. Chris Daugherty: 402.2 22. Peih-Gee Law: 378.9 23. Danni Boatwright: 368.8 24. Rob Mariano (ASS): 368.4 25. Cassandra Franklin: 367.6 26. Ethan Zohn: 364.3 27. Twila Tanner: 349.6 28. Colby Donaldson: 338.4 29. Teresa Cooper: 326.6 30. Stephenie LaGrossa (Guat): 307.7 31. Aras Baskauskas: 306.9 32. Candice Woodcock: 284.9 33. Kelly Wigglesworth: 281.2 34. Julie Berry: 257.4 35. Amanda Kimmel (China): 235.4 36. Clay Jordan: 213.9 37. Eliza Orlins: 209.5 38. Scout Cloud Lee: 205.4 39. Parvati Shallow (Cooks): 204.2 40. Stephenie LaGrossa (Palau): 198 41. Helen Glover: 197.5 42. Natalie Bolton: 197.4 43. Amanda Kimmel (Micro): 191.4 44. Sue Hawk: 189.6 45. Ozzy Lusth: 189.5 46. Jake Billingsley: 189 47. Heidi Strobel: 180.8 48. Danielle DiLorenzo: 180.6 49. Lillian Morris: 177.5 50. Deena Bennett: 171.4 51. Lex van den Berghe: 166.1 52. Rudy Boesch: 158.4 53. Jonathan Penner: 157.6 54. Katie Gallagher: 155.1 55. Courtney Yates: 151.7 56. Neleh Dennis: 147 57. Jenna Lewis (ASS): 146.9 58. Sean Rector: 131 80. Jeff Varner (-78.5%) 79. Tom Buchanan (All Stars) (-76.9%) 77. Keith Famie/Elisabeth Filarski (-75.4%) 75. Shii Ann Huang (Thailand)/Rupert Boneham (Pearl Islands) (-66.2%) 73. Colleen Haskell/Penny Ramsey (-64.6%) 72. Darrah Johnson (-63.1%) 71. Rupert Boneham (All Stars) (-61.5%) 70. Alex Angarita (-60%) 68. Kelly Goldsmith/Tom Buchanan (Africa) (58.5%) 65. Rodger Bingham/Kim Johnson/Gary Hogeboom (-55.4%) 61. Jerri Manthey/Paschal English/Matthew Von Ertfelda/Shii Ann Huang (All Stars) (-53.8%) 59. Ian Rosenberger/Terry Deitz (-50.8%) Top Ten Sorted By Points Earned (Not Factoring In The 'Not In The Top 40' Deduction) 1. Richard Hatch, Borneo (Score: 581) 2. Cirie Fields, Panama (Score: 570) 3. Earl Cole, Fiji (Score: 564) 4. Parvati Shallow & Cirie Fields, Micronesia (563) 6. Rob Cesternino, Amazon (Score: 554) 7. Vecepia Towery, Marquesas (Score: 551) 8. Todd Herzog, China (Score: 540) Brian Heidik, Thailand (Score: 536) 9. Jenna Morasca, Amazon (Score: 531) 10. Jon "Fairplay" Dalton, Pearl Islands (Score: 530) Tina Wesson, Australian Outback (Score: 530)
craig		#1699	[-]
Posts: 15482 (04/18/09 8:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You can combine both polls in a roughly fair manner (at least for the people near the top) by moving the decimal, converting each score into a 2 digit number, and adding them together. I've taken SSS's results without the "not in top 40" deduction because that was mostly used in a BS way to vote down classic players like Brian, Tina, and Hatch. TOP 15 1. Parvati Shallow, Micronesia - 137.70 2. Richard Hatch, Borneo - 135.50 3. Earl Cole, Fiji - 134.60 4. Cirie Fields, Micronesia - 134.00 5. Cirie Fields, Panama - 132.60 6. Rob Cesternino, Amazon - 128.60 7. Todd Herzog, China - 128.50 8. Yul Kwon, Cook Islands - 128.25 9. Yau-Man Chan, Fiji - 127.65 10. Vecepia Towery, Marquesas - 127.50 11. Brian Heidik, Thailand - 127.10 12. Tina Wesson, Outback - 124.60 13. Jonny Fairplay, Pearl Islands - 123.80 14. Sandra Diaz-Twine, Pearl Islands - 123.55 15. Jenna Morasca, Amazon - 119.30
SwineForkbeard		#1700	[-]
Posts: 2202 (04/18/09 8:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: You can combine both polls in a roughly fair manner (at least for the people near the top) by moving the decimal, converting each score into a 2 digit number, and adding them together. Not if one of the polls was rigged you can't. You were the one bitching when Ravu tried to rig SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor's poll, and that only involved five ballots. Now he does the same thing with this poll, and when the rigging elevates Parvati to the top instead of a minority, you decide to become an accomplice to the rigging. This is the absolute height of hypocrisy.

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