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Posts: 12979 (04/12/08 9:47 PM) Registered user |
I hope Carly gets a redemption arc, I don't think David C will fall from grace though.
I'd fucking die he kept going strong and Carly came back and made the F2 with him. Best F2 ever. It's never going to happen but a girl can dream. |
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Posts: 6855 (04/12/08 9:55 PM) Registered user |
I've never considered Archuleta a possible winner and still don't. As little credibility as the show has left, it'd plummet with a Disney winner
who's album would be an exact carbon copy of fucking Kidz Bop. That, and I really don't think we'd have two (OMG THEY'RE ONLY 17!!11!1) tween
winners in a row.
Assuming Carly does get a redemption arc, i'd say it's between Cook and her. To a (very) lesser extent, Brooke. |
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Posts: 1314 (04/12/08 9:58 PM) Registered user |
seaguy wrote: that's what everyone said about Clay Aiken. This season feels like a mix between season 2 and 5 with Cook = Daughtry, Archtard = Clay, Carly = Locke/McPhee, except this season Carly has a much stronger technical voice that given the right direction will be the powerhouse the Katharine should have been, plus her redemption should'nt be as late as K-Lo's was. Cook's evolution as the token final 4 shocker is just too obvious in that he shined so bright the first few weeks of the finals the same way Tamyra, LaToya, Nadia, Daughtry, Melinda/Lakisha did. People WILL get complacent with him during the homestrech of the competition, Meanwhile Carly, who by that time will have already grown on the viewers, will keep impressing them week after week, accompanied by a newly emphasized tongue-bathing by the judges. Archuleta will remain backed by his fans the whole way to the finale, but it will be painfully obvious by then that Carly is better the same way it was with Ruben and Clay. as for the others, the theme weeks will slaughter Brooke, Kristy will go the way of Gracin, Syesha, who is already a pale imitation of past divas, will just fade into the background the way Trenyce was handled, Jason, who is this year's Elliot (artistically legitimate yet for some reason not as big a deal as other competitors), will be carried by his fans all the way to the final 3 where he will be undeservedly blamed for the elimination of David Cook.
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Posts: 12981 (04/12/08 10:02 PM) Registered user |
I don't see it happening but I'd be more than happy to see Carly come back and win it all. I think I'd fucking collapse if it happened though.
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Posts: 10129 (04/12/08 10:05 PM) AI Forum Moderator |
SJC, I admire your positivity, but I don't see it happening. I don't compare to other seasons, I just go by what I see this season. And that is, she
will be lucky at this point to make the top 3, if that. I'm totally fine with her not winning or not making the top 2.
I also disagree with SFGP that Archie won't win. I think he's so got this in the bag, it's not even funny. The only one who is any threat (and a small one) is Cook. Noone will convince me otherwise. |
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suckshardcore |
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Posts: 12983 (04/12/08 10:07 PM) Registered user |
Archie will NOT win, I stick by that.
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Posts: 6858 (04/12/08 10:09 PM) Registered user |
I think we're in the minority, shc.
I just can't see him doing anything besides being a Vegas lounge lizard. |
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Posts: 297 (04/12/08 10:16 PM) I demand attention! |
Merely's analysis is so lengthy, convoluted and serious (while actually being rather foolish) that it almost defies rebuttal. So here goes:
Merely, if you're going to go to such lengths to take the show apart and try to logically analyze the voting, you can't then weigh your analysis down with so many ad hoc assumptions. Example: "Syesha has no fans." Bullshit. I'M a Syesha fan, albeit a fair weather one. I voted for her like crazy twice (top 11 night and top 9 night) and threw a few votes her way in the semis. I thought she sang poorly this week and voted to save Carly instead. But I WILL vote for Syesha again if she sings well and I think she deserves to stay another week. Your second problem is that you create very complicated scenarios for things that aren't complicated, or can be caused by something other than what you postulate. Example: you go through a whole long analysis for why KKKristy will get voted off on Mariah Carey week. And I agree that it IS likely. But my reasoning was very simple: Mariah is not a country singer, and if KKKristy tries to countrify her it will backfire. That doesn't mean your reasoning in this case is wrong. It's just that you need to consider the big picture as well as the details. But the biggest problem with over analyzing American Idol is in assuming everything has a logical cause. This week is a wonderful refutement of that. Nobody thought Michael would get booted, and almost nobody thought he'd be in the bottom 3 at all. Obviously we overestimated his fanbase, OR his fans got complacent with no bottom 3's on his record, OR casual voters were more pissed at his continuing failed attempts to hit high notes and make stupid songs choices than anybody knew. Most likely, it was a little of all of these. Barring a gigantic and reliable poll, we'll never know exactly. So go with the flow. We all guess wrong a lot of the time. Sometimes we can figure out where we were wrong, sometimes we can't. Too bad. Happily, there's no Mantasias or Sanjayas in the top 7 this year, all of them can sing pretty well. And given the 2 previous seasons, the winner is not very likely to go platinum anyway. So not that much is at stake. Analysis is great, but try to enjoy the show too. |
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survivorjordancontestant |
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Posts: 1315 (04/12/08 10:17 PM) Registered user |
seaguy wrote: it all really depends on how well she does next week with all the buzz and risk involved in her rumored song choice, It's do or die for her next week cause it only takes one home run performance in the middle of the competition to seriously bump you to the front-runner spot. (Anthony Callea's "The Prayer"; Carrie's "Alone" [it was the Bo and Nadia show before that]; Kim Locke's "New York State Of Mind"; Boomie's "Circle Of Life" [hers came too early though and it didn't help that there were 2 others like her in the competition]; Jasmine's "Inseperable" [also way too early but it carried her all the way to the final 3]; Kelly's "Natural Woman" [before that it was all about Justin and Tamyra] ) after that it's just a matter of delivering the same kind of performances while the others who have been doing it longer lose steam around you. and the reason Archtard won;t win is because he isn't as big a phenomenon as Ruben, Fantasia or Taylor; not as clear-cut as Carrie and not in the same
under-the-radar boat as Kelly and Jordin. he's just an isolated fan magnet the way Clay Aiken was
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Posts: 12984 (04/12/08 10:17 PM) Registered user |
I don't think Carly will win either though unfortunately. I'd like to be able to think it because I wish she would and it would be a great moment and
she'd be so excited but I don't.
Honestly the only person I see winning is David Cook. |
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Posts: 10130 (04/12/08 10:20 PM) AI Forum Moderator |
8trackmind wrote:Uh, did you actually read it? It was something Merely posted from somewhere else. And you say not to take it that seriously when you post just as long a rebuttal.
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Posts: 6859 (04/12/08 10:47 PM) Registered user |
Besides, if Merely DID write it, it'd be a long analysis of why Brooke is the winner.
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Posts: 2838 (04/12/08 11:48 PM) Registered User |
The greatest hilarity for me is if somehow Syehsa slips to final 2 ala Blake with Arculeta, and she ended up winning
Remember, only David Cook and Syesha who ever knocked Archu from the top spot on dialidol |
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Posts: 302 (04/13/08 12:24 AM) I demand attention! |
Yes, I knew Merely was doing a reposting but assumed that he agreed with what was being said since he posted it without negative comment. And my rebuttal is
only about 1/3 as long as his posting, at most. Fortunately.
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blurdog |
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Posts: 633 (04/13/08 12:26 AM) Registered User |
kennethp21 wrote:When did Screamesha ever knock Demon Spawn from top spot? |
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Posts: 3744 (04/13/08 12:36 AM) Registered User |
kennethp21 wrote: When did that happen? 8trackmind wrote: Yeah, I just thought I'd post that article. I agree that we're all overanalyzing it, but to some degree, there's logic behind it since Nigel
and co. control the show: they decide which one sings first and which gets the pimp spot; they (according to past contestants) pick the song for some of them;
and the judges are clearly biased and already know what they want. Therefore influencing the votes and the outcome.
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ilovety |
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Posts: 428 (04/13/08 1:07 AM) Registered User |
Looking forward to Carly's performance next week. Hopefully the plant has been watered on and will start growing again.
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Drew B |
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Posts: 2589 (04/13/08 1:19 AM) Registered User |
survivorjordancontestant wrote:
By this point in her season, Kim Locke had already had some great performances (albeit ones that were underrated by the judges). Carly has had ONE greatish performances and others that reveal a host of flaws. Also, Kim was up against a lot of lame-o's. Kim-Me sucked. Carmen sucked. Josh was good a few times, but was frequently atrocious. There were four contestants that season who were regularly decent, even on their own terms. Trenyce, Kim, Clay & Ruben. Kim finished third out of the four - not that impressive a result. This season has more people who are actually talented, and Carly has done less to meet her potential than many of the others. She doesn't DESERVE to finish as high as Kimberley, who sang as well as she could possibly be expected to sing more often than not. |
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Posts: 4555 (04/13/08 1:20 AM) WRP Official Spokesperson |
Hopefully the plant has been watered on and will start growing again. I hope Irish Potato will be the last three female standing along with Brooke and Kristy.
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Posts: 2839 (04/13/08 1:59 AM) Registered User |
blurdog wrote: when she performed "Yesterday"
but it was nice too look at |
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