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Little Boy		#61	[-]
Posts: 102 (01/15/09 11:35 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I can't speak for anyone else, but the prospect of the above images actually panning out in the upcoming movie would be disturbing and change my entire outlook on the franchise forever.
StarrEise		#62	[-]
Posts: 7467 (01/15/09 11:40 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is just wrong. Everyone knows Vulcans don't drink champagne!
managerr		#63	[-]
Posts: 14506 (01/15/09 11:41 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No no, you're missing the point, too many Trekkies (ers) do in their desire to be exact. In the future, they're using the universal translator so they all would sound the same, no accents. It requires a leap of faith on our part to ignore ALL accents, true, but it's not that Picard has an English accent- it's that Patrick Stewart does. In the Federation future, there are NO accents as long as their translator is functioning appropriately. But that makes no sense. Counselor Troi talked with a Betazed accent, but her mom talked in perfect English. Why would the actress who plays Counselor Troi speak in a bogus accent if the UT was supposed to be translating for her anyway?
Utopian		#64	[-]
Posts: 5711 (01/15/09 12:19 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"Khan, I'm laughing at the superior intellect."
Antithesys		#65	[-]
Posts: 23742 (01/15/09 12:29 PM) Gadabout Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm impressed that you can recognize a "Betazoid accent". The actress who played Troi is English with Greek heritage. So what you're basically saying is that fans of Star Trek TOS are hoping on a subconscious level (and others outright) that a homosexual relationship between Kirk/Spock develops, or has already developed between them in the past, and will be revealed in the upcoming film? Some fans are...I'm not, but would chuckle if they alluded to it somehow. On a related note, you may notice that despite all the other cultural advances Trek made or attempted over the years, there has never been a gay character...you could count Mirror Kira, but the implication there is that a character who is evil in one universe is also gay. It's a poorly-kept secret that an unnamed exec, most likely Rick Berman, squelched any ideas of creating regular GLBT characters for the spinoffs despite the wishes of Roddenberry and pretty much everyone else involved with the franchise. I say with all seriousness that the gay rights movement would be further ahead than it is now if it had had Trek representation.
bluesboi		#66	[-]
Posts: 4076 (01/15/09 12:32 PM) Gay Canookian Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ummm, when did this thread go gay?
DanteAmore		#67	[-]
Posts: 878 (01/15/09 12:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SurvivorLDog93 wrote: DanteAmore wrote: Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra Hawkins and Jake, at Cheyenne.
managerr		#68	[-]
Posts: 14507 (01/15/09 12:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm impressed that you can recognize a "Betazoid accent". The actress who played Troi is English with Greek heritage. What kind of a Star Trek nerd are you? It's well known that Mirina Sirtis made up her own Betazoid accent for the TV show. If you've heard the actress speak in real life, she too has an English accent. (Also, see the differences between the TV show and the last movie where Troi was asked to speak with her normal voice)
Little Boy		#69	[-]
Posts: 103 (01/15/09 12:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Antithesys wrote: Some fans are...I'm not, but would chuckle if they alluded to it somehow. On a related note, you may notice that despite all the other cultural advances Trek made or attempted over the years, there has never been a gay character...you could count Mirror Kira, but the implication there is that a character who is evil in one universe is also gay. It's a poorly-kept secret that an unnamed exec, most likely Rick Berman, squelched any ideas of creating regular GLBT characters for the spinoffs despite the wishes of Roddenberry and pretty much everyone else involved with the franchise. I say with all seriousness that the gay rights movement would be further ahead than it is now if it had had Trek representation. The points you made are valid, especially in regard to furthering the Gay/Lesbian movement since there really isn't any decent representation in the Sci-Fi genre today. Way back then, during a time when Barbara Eden had to cover her navel due to possibly offending viewers, the very thought of an alternate lifestyle character on Star Trek would've sent lynch mobs to the studio. Yet even though we now live in a more acceptable society (well, maybe I should just say more "open" to such ideas) but the thought of these iconic characters we've all grown up with were to suddenly become gay lovers, or even strongly implied to be more than just trusted friends and comrades, would be a definite shock to the system. I consider myself pretty much open-minded and understanding to those who want equality and acceptance, but for some reason this wouldn't sit well with me at all for the reason that it would be a shock to my system.
Jitensha		#70	[-]
Posts: 16877 (01/15/09 12:54 PM) I Must Be Psychic Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Troi sucks.
Screerider		#71	[-]
Posts: 23536 (01/15/09 12:58 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But the tits were a'ight.
Beefcake		#72	[-]
Posts: 2408 (01/15/09 1:20 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	bluesboi wrote: ummm, when did this thread go gay? Surprisingly, this time it was Anti. Which I suppose is just more proof that every thread in OT inevitably goes gay.
Beefcake		#73	[-]
Posts: 2409 (01/15/09 1:23 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Little Boy wrote: Antithesys wrote: Some fans are...I'm not, but would chuckle if they alluded to it somehow. On a related note, you may notice that despite all the other cultural advances Trek made or attempted over the years, there has never been a gay character...you could count Mirror Kira, but the implication there is that a character who is evil in one universe is also gay. It's a poorly-kept secret that an unnamed exec, most likely Rick Berman, squelched any ideas of creating regular GLBT characters for the spinoffs despite the wishes of Roddenberry and pretty much everyone else involved with the franchise. I say with all seriousness that the gay rights movement would be further ahead than it is now if it had had Trek representation. The points you made are valid, especially in regard to furthering the Gay/Lesbian movement since there really isn't any decent representation in the Sci-Fi genre today. Way back then, during a time when Barbara Eden had to cover her navel due to possibly offending viewers, the very thought of an alternate lifestyle character on Star Trek would've sent lynch mobs to the studio. Yet even though we now live in a more acceptable society (well, maybe I should just say more "open" to such ideas) but the thought of these iconic characters we've all grown up with were to suddenly become gay lovers, or even strongly implied to be more than just trusted friends and comrades, would be a definite shock to the system. I consider myself pretty much open-minded and understanding to those who want equality and acceptance, but for some reason this wouldn't sit well with me at all for the reason that it would be a shock to my system. Hellooooo? There is no way TOS could have had a gay character. TOS was made in the 1960s -- there were no gays yet. Gayness wasn't invented until the late 70s when disco music started turning people into big polyester homos.
Screerider		#74	[-]
Posts: 23538 (01/15/09 1:26 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I always thought Mudd's women played more with each other than him.
Otch		#75	[-]
Posts: 287 (01/15/09 1:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Beefcake wrote: Little Boy wrote: Antithesys wrote: Some fans are...I'm not, but would chuckle if they alluded to it somehow. On a related note, you may notice that despite all the other cultural advances Trek made or attempted over the years, there has never been a gay character...you could count Mirror Kira, but the implication there is that a character who is evil in one universe is also gay. It's a poorly-kept secret that an unnamed exec, most likely Rick Berman, squelched any ideas of creating regular GLBT characters for the spinoffs despite the wishes of Roddenberry and pretty much everyone else involved with the franchise. I say with all seriousness that the gay rights movement would be further ahead than it is now if it had had Trek representation. The points you made are valid, especially in regard to furthering the Gay/Lesbian movement since there really isn't any decent representation in the Sci-Fi genre today. Way back then, during a time when Barbara Eden had to cover her navel due to possibly offending viewers, the very thought of an alternate lifestyle character on Star Trek would've sent lynch mobs to the studio. Yet even though we now live in a more acceptable society (well, maybe I should just say more "open" to such ideas) but the thought of these iconic characters we've all grown up with were to suddenly become gay lovers, or even strongly implied to be more than just trusted friends and comrades, would be a definite shock to the system. I consider myself pretty much open-minded and understanding to those who want equality and acceptance, but for some reason this wouldn't sit well with me at all for the reason that it would be a shock to my system. Hellooooo? There is no way TOS could have had a gay character. TOS was made in the 1960s -- there were no gays yet. Gayness wasn't invented until the late 70s when disco music started turning people into big polyester homos. If you want to go expanded universe serires, then there are several gay charaters. Of course not exatly canon since its not on screen, but Lt. Hawk, who dies in First Contact was in a relationship with a male Trill officer on Ent-E, Ranul Keru. When Riker leaves for the Titan he takes him with him as his security chief. http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Sean_Hawk http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Ranul_Keru again not canon, but exist in the expanded universe as a lead character.
finishthemoff		#76	[-]
Posts: 15126 (01/15/09 1:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeoman was a big missed character. Rosenberry was ahead of his time. He was a true child of social revolution. I don't think there is a mention of Christianity with few exceptions. I forgot what it was.
Beefcake		#77	[-]
Posts: 2415 (01/15/09 1:46 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No, no, no! Fans don't get to just make shit up. If they did, then Charlie's Angels would now be known as "Beefcake's Love Slaves". (Not Shelly Hack. Just the other ones).
finishthemoff		#78	[-]
Posts: 15130 (01/15/09 2:03 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WTF? That guy who played as Hawk happened to be the same one in "Band of Brother" and "Tinman"?
Frodidnt		#79	[-]
Posts: 173 (01/15/09 2:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Borg are, pretty much, the "anti-Federation." Before encountering the -D in System J-12 they were just a race that adapted machinery with biology and they did the same with the 12 they took from the -D. Well, when they began aquiring the minds and thought patterns of those 12 they got the ideals of the Federation (galactic unification) and took it to a twisted extreme. Kind of the way some may look at the Federation and how they "assimilate" races and neutralize them into "one race." So the Federation is, indirectly, why the Borg started assimilating.
finishthemoff		#80	[-]
Posts: 15140 (01/15/09 2:41 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Citation?

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