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CoconutPhone |
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Plus stuff like "The Constant' shows they know how to pull this off, be complex and yet understandable. Oh and did I mention "interesting"
as well?
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FeliciaM7 |
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Jack and Kate (if they are A&E) seeing themselves in the future is not the kind of time travel material that worries me. It simply means they died on the
island and saw that in the past. That's a far cry from Flashes/wormholes and some of the other stuff hinted to come. I agree it's all been brilliant so
far, but the question was does this time travel stuff worry me? Yes.
That's not being negative. |
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cindidindi76 |
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Fluffynurse |
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I didn't mean to imply you were being negative Felicia. I meant that I'm going to try to go with what the show brings us & if it confuses me then
I'll just have to be confused. (I've been living with a lot of confusion the past couple of years anyway as most of you here know by now.
Hopefully, we'll be able to come here for in depth discussions which may or may not make it understandable. For now, I'm trusting the storytellers of LOST & hope they don't screw with me more than I can handle. That's all I meant by being positive. |
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cindidindi76 |
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I've tried reading some of the links in the spoiler thread that supposedly make it perfectly clear on the quantum physics involved but I might just as well be reading Swahili. Which is why I'm wondering exactly how much time travelling will be happening. I haven't read the spoiler thread (except the part Felicia told me to), but I just don't see them taking the show somewhere that the average viewer isn't going to be able to understand. Much as some people here like to pretend, the average tv viewer, be it Lost or any other show, doesn't have a great grasp of advanced quantum physics, and I think a lot of people will start tuning out if they can't understand what' going on. And I'm not saying the show should be dumbed down, just that if they try to get too cute and clever, they risk losing a large part of their audience. Countdown to some not-as-clever-as-they-think twat saying if I can't handle it I should watch According To Jim.... |
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Fluffynurse |
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I haven't read the spoiler thread (except the part Felicia told me to), but I just don't see them taking the show somewhere that the average viewer isn't going to be able to understand.I read the spoiler thread Cindi but I'm not sure how much of the quantum stuff will be involved either. The topic did come up in our discussion though & some of our brilliant posters here at Sucks seem to understand it. One of them posted a link to a scientific publication which was supposed to make it simple & easy to understand. I still didn't get it. P.S. I got my new Locke out in celebration for the new season! |
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sassycece |
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I don't understand all the physics stuff either.. I'm just goin with the flow and enjoy whatever the writers put in front of us.. I do hope they will
explain some of it to us non geeky peeps.. I definitely don't want them to dummy it down..
I'm so excited for LOST to start but I am afraid whats going to happen LOL |
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FeliciaM7 |
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Countdown to some not-as-clever-as-they-think twat saying if I can't handle it I should watch According To Jim....
Hi sassycece. :) |
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cindidindi76 wrote:I feel "The Constant" episode introduced many theories of quantum physics...what with Daniel doing his rat research, the time differencials of a package reachign the island, the temporal mind dnagers of passing through to the island at the wrong coordinates, the idea of Desmonds huge dose of electromagnetic radiation causing him to flip back brainwaves-wise into his younger self?? And on top of all that, the viewer was treated to a head scratcher episode of trying to figure out when/how/why Desmond is where he is! And the average tv viewer loved loved it. Sure, Lost will definitely explain all those phenomena in more detail im sure...but the fact that all the gobble-de-gook seeds have been planted and exposed..and the average viewer so far accepts them...thats a good sign nothing will be too out of their capability of comprehension in future episodes (so to speak) *shrugs* :)
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cindidindi76 wrote:Oh and about Heroes...Lindelhof explicity stated that Lost doesnt deal with time travel in the way your average movie/tv show does..ie Heroes. And i think thats what he meant long ago when he said Lost doesnt deal with "time travel" The way Lost's theory of time travel is different is that time is constant, it has no beginning/middle/end...its all there and already happened. It doesnt travel like an arrow. Our human perception just experiences it that way...as a slow track with a past, present, and future. So, unlike Heroes where we see New York explode in the future...and then the characters go back in time and also try to change the present in order to change that future...that would never happen on Lost. What you see is exactly what will happen, what does happen. If we see Jack die in a flash forward...nothing during the course of the remaining episodes will change that. You wont see Ben or Hurly jump back in time to change something so Jack never dies. The idea being, that everything that happens in the past/present has already affected the future. And Lost will only show us that result. It will never show us an untrue one. So in this sense, Lost stays clear from the BS that Heroes has tried to pull, in that, it uses time travel as a cruch...its an easy way out to change a character or an event that doesnt work or they hit a brick wall. Just have Hiro travel in time and change it! Lost cant play games like that, what we see is what we get. No fancy tricks or cheesy deux-ex-machina's here. But that doesnt change the fact that the manipulation of time HAS affected all their lives. It definitely has. But its leading us to an inevitable conclusion that has already been written out. So i wouldnt worry about them "introducing" time travel as some sort of gimmicky shtick to explain away stuff they didnt know how to explain away otherwise. Unlike Felicia, i truly believe time travel was in the DNA (as lindelof said) from the very beginning. They knew thats what the island was about. They called the show "Lost" with tongue firmly in cheek knowing it referred to time rather than geography (which is the obvious interpretation). You can see from season one how they purposefully were vague about times and dates. They played around with it constantly. Flashbacks werent just a gimmick to tell the story better...the idea of their past lives before the island, and how it directly related to their "present", was kind of THE POINT of Lost. It is part of its secret. From the very beginning. |
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CoconutPhone |
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very well said.
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sassycece |
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Yep, I'll second that
*waves at Felicia* :) |
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FeliciaM7 |
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Unlike Felicia, i truly believe time travel was in the DNA (as lindelof said) from the very beginning.Oh bite me. Lindelof didn't say that in the beginning though, did he? Noooo.. what we were told in 2005 was no time travel. phantom - I do have to admit that was a great post though. Really. Wordy but pretty damn good. I read all of it and I usually scroll past posts that long. :b |
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angellie |
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Heads up to poor cable-less canadians out there, CTV ain't airing lost anymore this year. Y'all can thank American Idol for that...
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The SovereignOne |
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I was never concerned about events being changed, I just worry about the story not being able to sustain going in so many different directions. No one has ever
been able to explain time travel in an easy to understand for all way (well Journeyman did, unfortunatley, no one was watching).
I of course trust in Damon and Carlton at this point, I just don't want the show to get to a place where it (and I know this sounds stupid) loses all sense of realism. Through everything they have thrown at us, I have always been able to at least in parts of every episode been able to suspend disbelief to the point where I believe this could actually happen. It is for me, part of what makes the show work, I don't want that to be lost. |
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CoconutPhone |
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FeliciaM7 wrote:That wasn't called for. |
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Cheyenie |
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The reason I'm not too worried is because I trust Damon and Carlton. The commentary for "The Constant" was very informative. It took them 5
weeks to write that episode. They felt it was important to really do it right. The thing I respect about the writers of Lost is that they aware that when
they write something that have to have a logical conclusion. And what I mean when I say logical is that it doesn't go against the laws they've already
written for themselves. They really do a good job of not contradicting themselves. The fact that no one can change the future is a good thing. That to me is
a good sign that they won't take the show in a bad direction.
I think the tone of the show will change this season. There has always been hints that this isn't a typical show. Even in the pilot we knew they were somewhere unusual. The sci-fi element has always been there. I think it's just going to be front and center now. They've done a good job of developing the characters so it should be interesting to see how they deal with the island moving and all its consequences. |
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cindidindi76 |
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What you see is exactly what will happen, what does happen. If we see Jack die in a flash forward...nothing during the course of the remaining episodes will change that. Kind of like how Charlie died but Desmond was able to save him however many times? Theoretically, he could have gone on doing that until Charlie died of old age. I mean, he either died or he didn't. Since we saw it through Desmonds flashes, it must have happened, but Desmond went and changed/prevented it over and over again.
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CoconutPhone |
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But like Des said it kept happening. No matter what he did Charlie was still going to die.
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cindidindi76 |
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Unless Desmond kept saving him. Which means it is changeable.
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