Fei Long Dragon wrote:At this point I'm not even sure you're aware of what you're typing. If there wasn't a kidnap or a mutiny, then Candice would have just gotten that information from Adam AT THE MERGE, you moron. So she would still have flipped. When she got that information was irrelevant, because she would have talked to them either way...think it through. Follow the logic.
You don't know what you're talking about. Candice would probably not have flipped if she didn't get confirmation from Nate, that he and Adam were running things over on Raro, and that he was open to working with her and Sundra. It'd be even more risky had she mutinied from her final 3 alliance to Raro if say Nate, Rebecca, Jenny, and Brad were running things on Raro. That would be idiotic. She knew she could be the top dog of Raro because of that conversation. It's only a non-issue to you because you didn't think things through. I could argue about the other things but you're already dead wrong because of this point alone. I do know that you like all the cute girls, and Raro had 2 which you've vocally expressed liking already, so it's obvious where your favortism is
Thailandsurvivor wrote:
Seeing how they had a solid 4 since Matty was with them in addition to Kelly bitching about Kota...I think it's safe to say they were happy to throw the challenge. Hell, Ace was even onboard with it to getthe idolSugar.
As far as the Kelly boot, Ken was smart enough to pick her, but she was voted out by MATTY because he's a dumbass. Crystal and Ken weren't willing to pick rocks for her, but MATTY made the emotional idiotic decision to side with Ace and Sugar and backstab his allies, not all of Fang. And if GC doesn't quit the round beforehand, that problem never even occurs.
All the Onions had to do was not question Susie's loyalty after tribal council (or not vote for her in the first place), and there was a chance she'd stick with them. Individual challenges have nothing to do with that unless you're going to say the one Rupert won by himself in PI was rigged for Drake. And the one Savage won by himself was rigged for Morgan.
Also, Sugar was not playing to lose the game originally. Ken dupped her into voting for Ace, and Fang held her close because of this. After she sided with Fang and pissed all the onions off is where she had no chance to win. That's not a twist, that's not a reason why the onions were toast. She made her decision, and some people couldn't handle it. She couldn't win because they were bitter bitches (except for Charlie if he brings Ken here). Then, she officially lost any hope with her "move" against Randy.
First of all, GC and Matty are both part of Fang, so I'm confused as to how you can say that Fang was a strategically solid group who overcame their deficit by being geniuses and then cite Matty's stupidity and GC's quitting.
You act like Kenny picking Kelly was genius. He thought she was hot. He was a desperate geek. Come on. Picking Kelly, even if it was because she was the
lowest person on the totem pole, was common sense. That is not some stroke of amazing game prowess. Throwing that challenge was idiotic. He had no idea where
Kelly's loyalties were.
You said yourself Susie was always going to flip. I have no idea how you went from that to saying that Kota lost Susie's vote. And the individual "tribe" challenge did have something to do with it, because Charlie, Corrine and Randy couldn't have thrown the challenge if they wanted to. It was designed so that a potential Fang minority could win on their own (the way that Matty did).
Sugar was never playing to win. She came into the game playing for the sweetheart role. She's said this many, many times.
Genesis wrote:
The twists did turn the tide for Fang, but I disagree that it "saved them from their own disastrous gameplay". It saved them from their disastrous challenge ability. You get tribe numbers in challenges. What gave Fang the real advantage was their excellent gameplay, and what gave Kota their initial advantage was excellent challenge ability and then the reward advantages. So actually gameplay had like 75% to do with it. The twists just saved original Fang from having the bad luck of having a weaker tribe
It wasn't "bad luck" that Fang had a weaker tribe, it was their choices. In the pick em and in the first tribe switch. And because they consistently voted out stronger players over weaker ones AND because they couldn't ration their food. All of these things are gameplay. The only strategy they ever successfully employed was getting Sugar to flip on Ace, and I do not credit Ken for Sugar's constant flip-flopping and emotional roller coaster gameplay at all.
Of course there have been other one-on-one challenges, you're completely ignoring the point. A one-on-one challenge is much different
from a one-on-one challenge right after a second switch in lieu of a merge, whcih has NEVER happened. It's undeniable that it prevented throwing the
challenge. It was obviously a boon for Fang. You don't have to like it, but it's true. The tribe switches were both SPECIFICALLY designed to give Fang
an advantage, followed by a challenge that can't be thrown? Yeah...
