Why Should A Man Be Held Responsible

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Posts: 4554 (01/07/09 8:25 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	... when an unmarried women gets pregnant? This is assuming the sex was consensual and legal. Isn't she the one that gets the last word on using birth control? In the end (not literally), all he did was compliment her experience and donate some sperm. To use an analogy: If a woman invited a man into her house and he brought some wine to compliment the dinner, is he responsible for cleaning up the dishes or re-stocking the pantry?
star jumper		#1	[-]
Posts: 38759 (01/07/09 8:27 PM) I'm an ugly Yeti King Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Zzunk....what did you do?
UrbanCenter		#2	[-]
Posts: 10523 (01/07/09 8:29 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Good point. If a woman doesn't have an abortion and is unmarrried, she should be prepared to pay the full amount.
bitwrangler		#3	[-]
Posts: 2596 (01/07/09 8:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So you don't want to pony up for child support? Is that it? Why should the woman have to solely support a child for the rest of his or her life. Guys know how to use condoms. Even if she says she's on the pill. And if you don't like using condoms, then don't have teh sex. My sister raised her daughter by herself while the father had a nice apartment in midtown Manhattan and never paid a DIME towards her support. Of course, don't forget the burden to the taxpayer due to someone who doesn't think a child needs two parents or more materialistically, two incomes.
UrbanCenter		#4	[-]
Posts: 10525 (01/07/09 8:35 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Condoms are not 100% effective. Abortion is. A woman has sole control over her body and the choice of abortion (as she should). And unmarried women have sole custody over their child (as they should). The only reason we have a man paying is because of an ancient sense of ownership and social patriarchy. So if a woman needs money, she should petition the State, not the sperm donor.
Kirblar		#5	[-]
Posts: 7347 (01/07/09 8:36 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If she lies about birth control it should be on her.
CBRetriever		#6	[-]
Posts: 23928 (01/07/09 8:36 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	it's both their responsibility to assure that birth control is used - legally, if you fathered it, you're partly responsible for it until it's 18, unless you sign away your rights (if you're allowed to)
bitwrangler		#7	[-]
Posts: 2598 (01/07/09 8:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm thinking Zzunk has a court date this week...
Wild Jazie		#8	[-]
Posts: 2770 (01/07/09 8:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If you don't want to be a daddy, keep your sperm out of vajaja's. Whats so hard to understand about that?
squashthebeef		#9	[-]
Posts: 16230 (01/07/09 8:42 PM) super badass Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How's about if he wants to raise it himself and she can fuck the fuck off?
BackBayBerries		#10	[-]
Posts: 329 (01/07/09 8:44 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	UrbanCenter wrote: Condoms are not 100% effective. Abortion is. A woman has sole control over her body and the choice of abortion (as she should). And unmarried women have sole custody over their child (as they should). The only reason we have a man paying is because of an ancient sense of ownership and social patriarchy. So if a woman needs money, she should petition the State, not the sperm donor. Wow. I have watched for years while everyone at OT ridiculed you and, while I never felt sorry for you, I did think some posters were a little harsh. But you really need to get your head out of the clouds. You may be well educated, as you love to point out (and you really would be well advised to not flaunt it....there are far more prestigious schools than UC Berkeley, and some of us have earned degrees from them) , but you very clearly have zero life experience. You need a hard dose of realism with your morning coffee, you fucking child. ETA: And unmarried women have sole custody over their child (as they should). Wrong. I'm not even sure what you're babbling about here. There is no guarantee that an unmarried woman will obtain sole custody. Sure, many have PRIMARY custody, but that is different than sole custody. Any father who gives a damn, and wants to be involved in his child's life, can be. Plain and simple. Last Edited By: BackBayBerries 01/07/09 8:49 PM. Edited 1 times.
squashthebeef		#11	[-]
Posts: 16231 (01/07/09 8:48 PM) super badass Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	YEAH!
UrbanCenter		#12	[-]
Posts: 10527 (01/07/09 8:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Only a solipsist would claim another has zero life experience. And saying another needs a "hard dose of realism" is non-sensical.
squashthebeef		#13	[-]
Posts: 16232 (01/07/09 8:50 PM) super badass Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	YEAH!
Zzunk		#14	[-]
Posts: 4555 (01/07/09 8:51 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Why is the father legally responsible, when it's the woman who decides 1) to be sufficiently attractive, 2) to take birth control pills, 3) to encourage a relationship, 4) to position herself for the dirty deed, 5) to allow entry without a condom (if she doesn't want to get prego), 6) to continue to consensual moment until he ejaculates, 7) to take a morning after pill, and 8) to get an abortion? That's 8 opportunities she can prevent having a baby. Encouraging a relationship, positioning himself and wearing a condom on the only opportunities he can do to prevent having a baby. She has more options and she gets the last word through the whole process, so why is he responsible????
Shagnanigans		#15	[-]
Posts: 2308 (01/07/09 8:54 PM) I'm not drunk Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I question Squash's commitment to this debate. If you fuck someone, be prepared to pay the consequences whatever they may be- disease, pregnancy, people thinking you're an irresponsible asshole, whatever.
bitwrangler		#16	[-]
Posts: 2600 (01/07/09 8:54 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	None of those excuses are going to work in court. In my state, they will even garnish your wages (with olive oil,no less) once they prove paternity. Even if you used a turkey baster.
AlwaysAwesomeAdam		#17	[-]
Posts: 759 (01/07/09 8:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What if its a mutant cannibal baby that likes to eat rats. . . .should the man or woman still be responsible?
viva la blonde		#18	[-]
Posts: 570 (01/07/09 8:58 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	especially then. those rats ain't gonna buy themselves and the mutant probably will need moisturizer.
UrbanCenter		#19	[-]
Posts: 10528 (01/07/09 8:58 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The State doesn't want to provide for the welfare of its citizens, so it forces women and children into relationships where men have control over them whether the female likes it or not. It's all an effort to further male-dominated hegemony and social control. Men want to further their power, thus push for these relationships. And women want to fight for money as a means of survival even if it means being kept and taking a major step down in the social order.
Link Please		#20	[-]
Posts: 987 (01/07/09 8:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The current system makes the Maury Povich Show that much more entertaining.

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