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nomii		#81	[-]
Posts: 5438 (12/30/08 2:01 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Story Highlights NEW: Israeli patrol boat hits vessel carrying medical volunteers, supplies no, they're not only targetting Hamas. its mostly them, but its other stuff too. i don't fault israel for defending itself. but they're totally going about it the wrong way.
Riliss		#82	[-]
Posts: 4849 (12/30/08 2:01 AM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You do realize how intellectually dishonest it is to claim to understand the situation, not be in Gaza at the moment, and use that argument, right? Oh wait, of course you don't.
finishthemoff		#83	[-]
Posts: 14213 (12/30/08 2:01 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Anyone who is against Prop 8 yet supports Hama is having a serious moral conflict since Israel is the only Asian nation to allow gay marriage/union. Think about it.
MakePaulaCry		#84	[-]
Posts: 1758 (12/30/08 2:02 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Actually, I don't doubt at all that Hamas was elected because the people who live in Gaza are tied of having the shit bombed out of them. It's fucked up that they turn to the people who instigate much of the misery rained upon them, sure, but that's not relevant. What are their options? They live in poverty, in substandard conditions, surrounded by an ethnic majority that treats them as second class citizens and clearly has no interest in lasting peace. No, you moron. Israel is tired of having the shit bombed out of them! Did you know that Israel actually sends millions of dollars in aid to Gaza and yet those retards still fire rockets? You probably do know that but it pokes a hole in your whole "poor Hamas" argument.
Jakob Speed		#85	[-]
Posts: 3528 (12/30/08 2:04 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Uh, I guess during an active conflict you believe water access is not a threat to Israel? The U.S. fucking Coast Guard will fire ona ship that refuses to yield and identify itself. In the Persian Gulf, US Navy and Marines board ships of interest with heavy guns locked and loaded.
Riliss		#86	[-]
Posts: 4850 (12/30/08 2:04 AM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have not once defended Hamas, so please refrain from using your insane right wing talking points until you see the correct prompts.
smokeitgood		#87	[-]
Posts: 6606 (12/30/08 2:05 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	my main question for those who are against israel bombing is how they would react to hamas' bombs...just stand there and take it? you cant 'defend' against a bomb...its not like theres some bomb shield you can put somewhere FOUR FUCKING HUNDRED PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED IN RESPONSE WITH NO END IN SIGHT. most of them were hamas militants who are the exact definition of a terrorist. so if you are american and are anti-terrorist you can't complain about that. if these innocent civilians were smart they wouldnt hang around militant compounds when israel locks and loads its bomber planes
MakePaulaCry		#88	[-]
Posts: 1759 (12/30/08 2:05 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have defended Hamas, so please refrain from using your talking points so people can't see my stupidity. fixed. ywia
Riliss		#89	[-]
Posts: 4851 (12/30/08 2:05 AM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jakob Speed wrote: Uh, I guess during an active conflict you believe water access is not a threat to Israel? The U.S. fucking Coast Guard will fire ona ship that refuses to yield and identify itself. In the Persian Gulf, US Navy and Marines board ships of interest with heavy guns locked and loaded. lol, seriously? Can you read? Medical volunteers? Que?
nomii		#90	[-]
Posts: 5439 (12/30/08 2:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jakob Speed wrote: Uh, I guess during an active conflict you believe water access is not a threat to Israel? The U.S. fucking Coast Guard will fire ona ship that refuses to yield and identify itself. In the Persian Gulf, US Navy and Marines board ships of interest with heavy guns locked and loaded. they knew exactly what boat it was - it was the solidarity boat from cyprus that's been running for about 6 months now. stop excusing every act. israel was right in targetting the security compounds and tunnels. they're wrong here or e.g. in the settlements in west bank. unless both israel and palestine start to accept that they're BOTH wrong in certain aspects, peace will never come.
Driv		#91	[-]
Posts: 3515 (12/30/08 2:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i question any body count coming out of Gaza. Hamas and Hezbollah have been known to dig up corpses anytime there's an Israeli bombing so they can inflate the body count and stir shit up.
finishthemoff		#92	[-]
Posts: 14215 (12/30/08 2:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Eh, Riliss. Against Israel is pretty much pro-Hama/Palestine. You are one contradictory mofo. Sorry but Palestine (or force to) allowed Hama to speak for themselves. Beside, they are right winger who will gladly killed a moron like Riliss because of his idiotic, amoral, liberal views toward life. Bummer. Bummer
cg41386		#93	[-]
Posts: 14436 (12/30/08 2:09 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	nomii wrote: those christians have zero political power or a voice, so they are irrelevant when discussing the conflict. i doubt they 1. voted for hamas, and 2. i doubt hamas was elected in fair elections anyways, without serious gun threats to the people etc. I was just saying in general, not in regards to only the area in conflict. The Palestinian Christians I know don't live in the Middle East anyway. Last Edited By: cg41386 12/30/08 2:13 AM. Edited 1 times.
nomii		#94	[-]
Posts: 5440 (12/30/08 2:10 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	really, everyone should at the least try to get news from the other side - if you get your news from western media, plz also get it from al-jazeera, just to balance the news.
Riliss		#95	[-]
Posts: 4852 (12/30/08 2:10 AM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	smokeitgood wrote: my main question for those who are against israel bombing is how they would react to hamas' bombs...just stand there and take it? you cant 'defend' against a bomb...its not like theres some bomb shield you can put somewhere I think there's something to be said in the holy land about turning the other cheek, yeah. I mean, the situation is this - there is a small element within a minority group in Israel that lobs rockets into nearby towns. Now how can we solve this problem? Well, how about a dedication to diplomacy? How about redrawing the borders of Israel? Concessions should be made. At any rate, anyone can see that what is happening now is not working, has not ever worked and if we try to actually learn something from history, will never work. And yet despite this, we've got a couple of jinoistic right wingers who think that despite all evidence that these actions taken by Israel at best do nothing good and at worst are setting up their own demise, should continue. Should be praised. Why? Well personally I'd guess it's because they're racists, based on their idiotic blanket statements, but who knows, it's possible that they're just lacking a few chromosomes. And being anti-israel in no way makes me pro-hamas. If you believe that, which I don't think you do (I think you're just a moron/jackass), you can't read. I can quote from the previous pages if you're truly dedicated to being made a fool.
MakePaulaCry		#96	[-]
Posts: 1760 (12/30/08 2:10 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i question any body count coming out of Gaza. Hamas and Hezbollah have been known to dig up corpses anytime there's an Israeli bombing so they can inflate the body count and stir shit up. Wouldn't doubt it one bit. Those mofos are fucked in the head. I've seen photographic evidence of armed shooters standing in a crowd of children and women firing! The more civilian and children deaths there are, the better for Hamas because then they can create propaganda and claim that Israel targets civilians. How about redrawing the borders of Israel? LMAO! So next time I fire a rocket into your backyard, you'd better fucking give me that backyard!
smokeitgood		#97	[-]
Posts: 6607 (12/30/08 2:13 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	at the end of the day, you cant believe anything that either group says because they both lie (jews are really good at lying btw. myself included). anywho as i said before, there are definitely times where both commit wrong acts. however, overall, the arabs commit way more "wrong" acts than the israelis do, and they are almost always unwarranted and entirely based on hatred. also, most of israels responses are exactly what the US would do in the same situation, which is an answer to the original post question. also, for whoever brought up obama, the jews who voted mccain all were terrified that obama would be bad for israel...and then he selects rahm emmanuel as his chief of staff (his dad was in an extremist pro-israeli group back in the 40s)...so now yay for the obama selection!!!
Driv		#98	[-]
Posts: 3516 (12/30/08 2:15 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, how about a dedication to diplomacy? How about redrawing the borders of Israel? Hamas and Hezbollah have stated their end goal is the obliteration of Israel. How the fuck do you negotiate with that? :retard:
nomii		#99	[-]
Posts: 5441 (12/30/08 2:18 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	my main question for those who are against israel bombing is how they would react to hamas' bombs...just stand there and take it? 1. Hire a better press secretary so the whole world knows loud and clear about every.single rocket. even if its 3000 rockets, make a HUGE CRY about every.single.one.of.them.this would result in huge international support. 2. Do a huge PR campaign where you send tell about the trucks of supplies in return - make sure they get to gazans through the UN, and the supplies aren't used by hamas for weapons (ask the UN to set up nato troops or watever for correct supply distribution). 3. Shower egypt with money (i think this is already happened), to possibly open Rafah crossing, so that gazans can work from that side, and over time annexed there. 4. a huge PR campaign to tell gazans that if hamas is voted out, they get lands back etc - try to buy off Fatah if possible and prop them up as a puppet govt. 5. cultural trade - shower gaza with israeli tv/movies/songs etc - most pakistan urbans love india because of bollywood, and its only the nutsos who hate india now. the culture war is very strong. also, have cultural/student exchange programs. 6. the 20% israeli arabs - engage them to get support. there's lots of options that don't involve violent.Violence would never work. Yes rockets are bad, but trying to bomb in return only results in more militants. Last Edited By: nomii 12/30/08 2:20 AM. Edited 1 times.
Jakob Speed		#100	[-]
Posts: 3529 (12/30/08 2:18 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Riliss wrote: I think there's something to be said in the holy land about turning the other cheek, yeah. Wrong people. The phrase does have an origin in both Jewish and then Christian history. But I think any people who have half their people exterminated might look into a different philosophy in dealing with conflict, post extermination.

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