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Gregoire		#681	[-]
Posts: 30713 (01/07/09 11:14 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm not complaining about Israel fighting back. I'm just complaining that they're not doing a better job of it. Where are all the hot covert spies that were depicted in Munich? Don't they have pretty much all the money they need at their disposal? Aren't surgical strikes more effective than wham-bam-thank you-imam?
QualityBobby		#682	[-]
Posts: 5293 (01/07/09 11:17 AM) O.o Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Surgical strikes are great for hitting a building between a school and a hospital. Not as effective when they are in the school and the hospital.
Gregoire		#683	[-]
Posts: 30714 (01/07/09 11:24 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Then find a way to make them effective. Have they learned nothing in 30 years? If Hamas is using civilians as cover, then use the civilians as weapons. Spywork, intelligence, black ops, satellite surveillance, precision attack. For gods sakes, they're fighting poor people. I guess the United States hasn't learned this, so why should they?
QualityBobby		#684	[-]
Posts: 5296 (01/07/09 11:27 AM) O.o Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's unfortunately the nature of war. You do what you can to minimize the non-military targets, but it's an ugly business. When it used to be two armies on the battlefield, it was easy to just kill the combatants. When there is fighting in the cities, it's just a reality.
youfist		#685	[-]
Posts: 1416 (01/07/09 11:32 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The US developed the SDB (small Diameter Bomb) for the Iraq war. It is a 'smart' bomb that asesses how much of its payload to detonate as it approached the target. There are 3 variables to this system. 250 pound bomb-instead of that 500 pounder.. Because of its size and precision accuracy, it also reduces collateral, or unintended, damage in the target vicinity. In the urban conflict in Iraq, the warfighter struggles at times to find a weapon that gives them a desired effect on a target without an excessive effect, so the small diameter bomb will be a nice addition. Complementing the weapon is a smart miniature munitions carriage system. This system can carry four small diameter bombs, enabling an aircraft to quadruple its load out. The carriage system functions similar to an aircraft stores management system by communicating with and controlling up to four weapons. The Small Smart Bomb is a 250 pound weapon that has the same penetration capabilities as a 2000lb BLU-109, but with only 50 pounds of explosive.
Gregoire		#686	[-]
Posts: 30716 (01/07/09 11:41 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's unfortunately the nature of war. You do what you can to minimize the non-military targets, but it's an ugly business. When it used to be two armies on the battlefield, it was easy to just kill the combatants. When there is fighting in the cities, it's just a reality. Hamas is living in the 18th century, Israel in the 21st. However, they're fighting on Hamas' level and they will eventually lose if they continue in this way. 'That's just the way it is' is not acceptable. They want to show a bombastic level of force, they revel in being America Jr. and not really interested in winning. They have ulterior motives often as reprehensible as the Palastinians; why complete a holy war when its continuance brings millions of dollars into your country? If I can simply Google to see what games my niece is playing in her backyard two thousand miles away, then certainly Israel can be fighting a better war using modern technologies. As could the U.S. This conflict is about who's got the bigger dick, not who wants to achieve peace.
QualityBobby		#687	[-]
Posts: 5298 (01/07/09 11:42 AM) O.o Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Probably so...... but you are dealing with societies where having the bigger dick is more important than anything else. It's ALL about perception there, moreso than winning.
Softtaco		#688	[-]
Posts: 3431 (01/07/09 12:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If their headquarters is a school, why is it against the rules to blow it up? I never did understand that. If you don't want your schools blown up, don't stockpile weapons in them. Besides, we've all seen the shit they teach in schools over there. Everyone would be better off with them leveled.
DelosWorld		#689	[-]
Posts: 766 (01/07/09 12:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hamas has already killed gobs of Palestinians that were "spys" or "traitors" so whether they were or were not would do a lot to discourage other moderates from helping Israel with any covert activities in the future. You've got to make the general population more afraid of Israel than Hamas to get any long term change in Gaza.
Gregoire		#690	[-]
Posts: 30717 (01/07/09 12:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nobody can win a religious war, you can only change the people who are waged in it. Everybody thought the US-Russia conflict would destroy the world. Russia was defeated by its infrastructure crumbling from the inside. America needed only tap at it to get the dominos to start falling. The weapons that weakened it weren't missiles and threats, but black market blue jeans and Michael Jackson albums, not to mention creative but short-sighted ideas like arming Afghanistan. A war against Palestinians could not be won the same way, but it definitely won't be won conventionally. I still think the best way to achieve peace is by turning civilians against Hamas, not give them reasons to embrace them. As we have seen, Muslims like nothing better than to fight with each other. Whenever you see any kind of war being fought conventionally in the 21st Century, keep in mind that the reasons for waging it aren't probably not to win it. True modern victories can be achieved quietly.
bitwrangler		#691	[-]
Posts: 2592 (01/07/09 12:33 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Where are all the hot covert spies that were depicted in Munich? Don't they have pretty much all the money they need at their disposal? Aren't surgical strikes more effective than wham-bam-thank you-imam? I asked that question hundreds of posts ago. It still annoys me that Israel just won't go in and stomp the terrorists and leave the collateral damage for another day. STOP KILLING THE BABIES! It gives the newspapers too much fodder to print! Good thoughts from you guys on why they haven't.
bitwrangler		#692	[-]
Posts: 2592 (01/07/09 12:33 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Where are all the hot covert spies that were depicted in Munich? Don't they have pretty much all the money they need at their disposal? Aren't surgical strikes more effective than wham-bam-thank you-imam? I asked that question hundreds of posts ago. It still annoys me that Israel just won't go in and stomp the terrorists and leave the collateral damage for another day. STOP KILLING THE BABIES! It gives the newspapers too much fodder to print! Good thoughts from you guys on why they haven't.
Vicconius		#693	[-]
Posts: 15807 (01/07/09 1:40 PM) I want "this won't end well" too. Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm guessing our candidates for hot covert spies will not mesh.
kutabeach		#694	[-]
Posts: 1871 (01/07/09 1:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: Hamas is living in the 18th century, Israel in the 21st. However, they're fighting on Hamas' level and they will eventually lose if they continue in this way. Now way is Israel fighting "on Hamas' level". Hamas fires rockets indescriminately. Israel hits targets with an accuracy down to three meters. You are way off here, G.
youfist		#695	[-]
Posts: 1421 (01/07/09 1:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite
kutabeach		#696	[-]
Posts: 1872 (01/07/09 1:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	bitwrangler wrote: Where are all the hot covert spies that were depicted in Munich? Don't they have pretty much all the money they need at their disposal? Aren't surgical strikes more effective than wham-bam-thank you-imam? I asked that question hundreds of posts ago. It still annoys me that Israel just won't go in and stomp the terrorists and leave the collateral damage for another day. STOP KILLING THE BABIES! It gives the newspapers too much fodder to print! Good thoughts from you guys on why they haven't. It takes some effort for dummies, but smart people realize that Israel is not killing the babies. Hamas is.
Gregoire		#697	[-]
Posts: 30720 (01/07/09 1:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No, Hamas is hitting its target with great accuracy. Its target is anything. Israel's three meters isn't good enough. They need to find and kill their targets exactly or else they will always fall victim to Hamas civilian shield tactic. I find much thinking on this topic to be very small minded. Hamas needs to be completely suffocated with superior technological might. Simply lobbing over a bigger bomb isn't exactly doing anything productive. These two sides have been doing this to each other for decades with little progress. And for the record, both sides are killing babies, kuta. One side with pointed intent, the other as "collateral damage". The fact that you would justify this a some black-and-white issue illustrates that you don't quite understand it. For Israel to win, they have to get on top of this conflict, not continue engaging in it as though the basic rules haven't changed in 75 years. Last Edited By: Gregoire 01/07/09 1:54 PM. Edited 2 times.
kutabeach		#698	[-]
Posts: 1874 (01/07/09 1:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: No, Hamas is hitting its target with great accuracy. Its target is anything. Israel's three meters isn't good enough. They need to find and kill their targets exactly or else they will always fall victim to Hamas civilian shield tactic. I find much thinking on this topic to be very small minded. Hamas needs to be completely suffocated with superior technological might. Simply lobbing over a bigger bomb isn't exactly doing anything productive. These two sides have been doing this to each other for decades with little progress. And for the record, both sides are killing babies, kuta. One side with pointed intent, the other as "collateral damage". The fact that you would justify this a some black-and-white issue illustrates that you don't quite understand it. I'll respectfully disagree. If a terrorist shoots at me I'm going to shoot back. If the terrorist picks up a baby to block the shot, then I didn't kill the baby, the terrorist did. Yes, the baby would be classified as "collateral damage", but I would not be responsible for the baby's death. You're right about Hamas hitting their targets, though.
Riliss		#699	[-]
Posts: 4917 (01/07/09 5:11 PM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Uh, yes you would. Learn some personal responsibility.
DelosWorld		#700	[-]
Posts: 767 (01/07/09 5:58 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: No, Hamas is hitting its target with great accuracy. Its target is anything. Israel's three meters isn't good enough. They need to find and kill their targets exactly or else they will always fall victim to Hamas civilian shield tactic. I find much thinking on this topic to be very small minded. Hamas needs to be completely suffocated with superior technological might. Simply lobbing over a bigger bomb isn't exactly doing anything productive. These two sides have been doing this to each other for decades with little progress. And for the record, both sides are killing babies, kuta. One side with pointed intent, the other as "collateral damage". The fact that you would justify this a some black-and-white issue illustrates that you don't quite understand it. For Israel to win, they have to get on top of this conflict, not continue engaging in it as though the basic rules haven't changed in 75 years. You really need to get an engineering job at a defense contractor and develop some of the high-falootin exactin-aiming killer technology. Then you need to share it with the Israelis. Or you could volunteer for clandestine undercover work and roam the Gaza strip looking for terrorists and cut off their balls so at least they won't reproduce and make babies that might become targets in future conflicts.

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