Reason #327 why they should get rid of the HII...(and final three)

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OXY		#141	[-]
Posts: 130 (12/13/08 11:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No that would still be in but they'd take out something boring from Borneo. There were a lot of those
solesurvivor01		#142	[-]
Posts: 4225 (12/13/08 11:45 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: solesurvivor01 wrote: Those are good examples. However you also have seasons like Borneo, Outback, Africa, and Thailand where they could've totally used an idol to shake up the boring show Except at that point in Survivor history, strategy wasn't what it was today. The show wasn't about strategy then. It's main focus was still on surviving the elements, and the concept of a power shift didn't even exist until Marquesas. Calling Borneo and Australia "boring" intrigues me seeing as they were two of the most highly rated seasons of television history. Africa and Thailand, yes, might have been lesser seasons, but that was largely due to the fact that the casts were made up of strategic retards, Brian Heidik, and Ethan Zohn (the least retarded person in Africa). Ratings doesn't mean it wasn't boring. There was nothing else to watch but Survivor mostly. It was new and a big deal back then so of course it's rated highly. Every season plummets in ratings no matter how good it is Seeing as half of the Borneo cast didn't even believe in ALLIANCES, what makes you think an idol would make it "less boring?" And the fact is, if a lot of people watch it, then it's not boring. And of course there were other things to watch on TV. The Borneo finale got about twice as many viewers as the the Democratic National Convention did, and they were at around the same time.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#143	[-]
Posts: 6505 (12/13/08 11:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: You can't say either way whether it'll be more interesting or not since we don't know what would happen. I haven't heard a case the other way either I just gave a basic summation of what would happen. Panama: Either an Aras/Cirie f2, where the votes are all up in the air, or a Cirie/Danielle f2, which would have satisfied more people. Cook Islands: Basically the same results, if Yul is as good as he is thought of. Fiki: Dreamz has to answer yet another ethical dilema: to go with Earl and Yau Man, or to go with Cassie. China:Same results Micronesia:No signifigant changes.
Thailandsurvivor		#144	[-]
Posts: 3811 (12/13/08 11:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oxy, just give some actual reasons or stop. Preferably the second.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#145	[-]
Posts: 6506 (12/13/08 11:47 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: No that would still be in but they'd take out something boring from Borneo. There were a lot of those Name something boring.
OXY		#146	[-]
Posts: 131 (12/13/08 11:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	solesurvivor01 wrote: OXY wrote: solesurvivor01 wrote: Those are good examples. However you also have seasons like Borneo, Outback, Africa, and Thailand where they could've totally used an idol to shake up the boring show Except at that point in Survivor history, strategy wasn't what it was today. The show wasn't about strategy then. It's main focus was still on surviving the elements, and the concept of a power shift didn't even exist until Marquesas. Calling Borneo and Australia "boring" intrigues me seeing as they were two of the most highly rated seasons of television history. Africa and Thailand, yes, might have been lesser seasons, but that was largely due to the fact that the casts were made up of strategic retards, Brian Heidik, and Ethan Zohn (the least retarded person in Africa). Ratings doesn't mean it wasn't boring. There was nothing else to watch but Survivor mostly. It was new and a big deal back then so of course it's rated highly. Every season plummets in ratings no matter how good it is Seeing as half of the Borneo cast didn't even believe in ALLIANCES, what makes you think an idol would make it "less boring?" And the fact is, if a lot of people watch it, then it's not boring. And of course there were other things to watch on TV. The Borneo finale got about twice as many viewers as the the Democratic National Convention did, and they were at around the same time. I think people like Colleen eventually came around and then the idol would've made a difference. Instead her fatal mistake early on cost her forever after that. I meant no reality TV competition at the time
OXY		#147	[-]
Posts: 132 (12/13/08 11:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: OXY wrote: You can't say either way whether it'll be more interesting or not since we don't know what would happen. I haven't heard a case the other way either I just gave a basic summation of what would happen. Panama: Either an Aras/Cirie f2, where the votes are all up in the air, or a Cirie/Danielle f2, which would have satisfied more people. Cook Islands: Basically the same results, if Yul is as good as he is thought of. Fiki: Dreamz has to answer yet another ethical dilema: to go with Earl and Yau Man, or to go with Cassie. China:Same results Micronesia:No signifigant changes. I think there'd have been a lot of changes to the seasons you mentioned. Especially like Micronesia where we had all those idol blindsides
Thailandsurvivor		#148	[-]
Posts: 3812 (12/13/08 11:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: OXY wrote: You can't say either way whether it'll be more interesting or not since we don't know what would happen. I haven't heard a case the other way either I just gave a basic summation of what would happen. Panama: Either an Aras/Cirie f2, where the votes are all up in the air, or a Cirie/Danielle f2, which would have satisfied more people. Cook Islands: Basically the same results, if Yul is as good as he is thought of. Fiki: Dreamz has to answer yet another ethical dilema: to go with Earl and Yau Man, or to go with Cassie. China:Same results Micronesia:No signifigant changes. Will, stop saying that they would be the same. Micronesia would have been a much better season without hearing "OZZY HAS THE IDOL!" every 5 minutes. And if you're talking strategically, Yau is gone in the final 6 in Fiji and others would change dramatically like how in CI Yul is gone at the final 9. Strategically, the idols put a halt on potentially what can happen strategically (which sounds like the reason ozy watches the show...so I don't get why you would support it.) Oxy, I don't care as much about strategy as entertainment value, but you said that the idol provides a lesser chance for Pagongings when the opposite is true. You have no idea what you are talking about, so please, stop.
OXY		#149	[-]
Posts: 133 (12/13/08 11:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I didn't say it provides a lesser chance. But it provides an opportunity for change despite a minority situation. So you have no idea what you're talking about
solesurvivor01		#150	[-]
Posts: 4227 (12/13/08 11:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: solesurvivor01 wrote: OXY wrote: solesurvivor01 wrote: Those are good examples. However you also have seasons like Borneo, Outback, Africa, and Thailand where they could've totally used an idol to shake up the boring show Except at that point in Survivor history, strategy wasn't what it was today. The show wasn't about strategy then. It's main focus was still on surviving the elements, and the concept of a power shift didn't even exist until Marquesas. Calling Borneo and Australia "boring" intrigues me seeing as they were two of the most highly rated seasons of television history. Africa and Thailand, yes, might have been lesser seasons, but that was largely due to the fact that the casts were made up of strategic retards, Brian Heidik, and Ethan Zohn (the least retarded person in Africa). Ratings doesn't mean it wasn't boring. There was nothing else to watch but Survivor mostly. It was new and a big deal back then so of course it's rated highly. Every season plummets in ratings no matter how good it is Seeing as half of the Borneo cast didn't even believe in ALLIANCES, what makes you think an idol would make it "less boring?" And the fact is, if a lot of people watch it, then it's not boring. And of course there were other things to watch on TV. The Borneo finale got about twice as many viewers as the the Democratic National Convention did, and they were at around the same time. I think people like Colleen eventually came around and then the idol would've made a difference. Instead her fatal mistake early on cost her forever after that. I meant no reality TV competition at the time I'll just go with...NO. Ok, I'm going to bed. Goodnight everyone! <3
OXY		#151	[-]
Posts: 134 (12/13/08 11:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: OXY wrote: No that would still be in but they'd take out something boring from Borneo. There were a lot of those Name something boring. There's a lot. I can barely remember what happens because there's barely anything that stands out as interesting. The mud thing for instance. Sean's alphabet thing just pissed me off. All the talk about Kelly maybe getting with the other young girls to manufacture suspense where there was none. Things like that
Thailandsurvivor		#152	[-]
Posts: 3814 (12/14/08 12:01 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There's a lot. I can barely remember what happens because there's barely anything that stands out as interesting. The mud thing for instance. Sean's alphabet thing just pissed me off. All the talk about Kelly maybe getting with the other young girls to manufacture suspense where there was none. Things like that Yeah, character development is boring. But wait...did you just say manufactured suspense is boring? Do you not understand what the editors use the idol for? Night ss01, I probably should, too, because this guy is just pissing me off.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#153	[-]
Posts: 6508 (12/14/08 12:02 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	TS, I am on your side. Yul would not have necessarily have left at the final 9. Cao Boi and Flika had no true incentive to stay with Yul and Jonathan and there was no true way of threatening them with the idol. Therefore they stayed out of some misplaced sense of loyalty or strategy. On new Raro, Jonathan stayed for reasons other than fear of him having the idol. Jenny, Rebecca, Brad, etc were all just as likely to flip, but they are not as polarizing as Jonathan and thus, not as big of a goat. Yul threatening Jonathan with the idol at f9 made no sense at all, and it would of made sense for Jonathan to vote for Yul with the idol. Without, he most likely would have stuck with him anyways. As for Fiji, Yau Man and Earl could have utilized something to prevent that.
OXY		#154	[-]
Posts: 135 (12/14/08 12:02 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Boring character development is boring. If it's good great, but not that stuff
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#155	[-]
Posts: 6509 (12/14/08 12:03 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: OXY wrote: No that would still be in but they'd take out something boring from Borneo. There were a lot of those Name something boring. There's a lot. I can barely remember what happens because there's barely anything that stands out as interesting. The mud thing for instance. Sean's alphabet thing just pissed me off. All the talk about Kelly maybe getting with the other young girls to manufacture suspense where there was none. Things like that None of that would have been effected with the presence of a HII.
OXY		#156	[-]
Posts: 136 (12/14/08 12:04 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah we could've taken that out with interesting HII talk and game changing strategies
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#157	[-]
Posts: 6510 (12/14/08 12:06 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Not the examples you posted.
Thailandsurvivor		#158	[-]
Posts: 3815 (12/14/08 12:08 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: TS, I am on your side. I get that you are, but to say things like a season is exactly the same without the idol is crazy. Sure, some of the boots may fall into play, but the main reason I, personally, dislike the idol is from all the air time it eats up. Oh, and the fact that Survivor originally had three rules that should never been changed. One person leaves evey episode, a jury of 7 decides a winner from the final 2, and the person with the most votes leaves. I can understand tribal swaps and different merges (now at least, not at the time), but those three things should never have been tampered with.
OXY		#159	[-]
Posts: 137 (12/14/08 12:09 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's a matter of taste. They changed the tribe thing so I'm glad that they did it to other parts of the game. I didn't like it at first but I came around to it
Thailandsurvivor		#160	[-]
Posts: 3816 (12/14/08 12:10 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: It's a matter of taste. They changed the tribe thing so I'm glad that they did it to other parts of the game. I didn't like it at first but I came around to it Bullshit. The way you're talking, I really doubt you've seen a season before Exile Island.

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