Reason #327 why they should get rid of the HII...(and final three)

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OXY		#81	[-]
Posts: 105 (12/13/08 10:21 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: OXY wrote: You're totally wrong about all that If we're all wrong, then explain to us what new strategies have been created since the idol came back in Exile Island. Are you going to actually listen or just be mean?
solesurvivor01		#82	[-]
Posts: 4214 (12/13/08 10:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: Thailandsurvivor wrote: OXY wrote: You're totally wrong about all that If we're all wrong, then explain to us what new strategies have been created since the idol came back in Exile Island. Are you going to actually listen or just be mean? We're going to listen and then tell you why we're right.
OXY		#83	[-]
Posts: 106 (12/13/08 10:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't know if I want to waste my time given that response
Thailandsurvivor		#84	[-]
Posts: 3793 (12/13/08 10:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: Thailandsurvivor wrote: OXY wrote: You're totally wrong about all that If we're all wrong, then explain to us what new strategies have been created since the idol came back in Exile Island. Are you going to actually listen or just be mean? How am I being mean? Just explain how we're wrong and how the idol is such a great invention.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#85	[-]
Posts: 6484 (12/13/08 10:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: I don't know if I want to waste my time given that response Honey, it's the nature of this forum for the posters to be rude. With some exceptions, most people will listen to you if it is relevent.
OXY		#86	[-]
Posts: 107 (12/13/08 10:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You don't realize you're being mean?
5urvivor		#87	[-]
Posts: 285 (12/13/08 10:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Okay this is funny
PrettyGoodYear1988		#88	[-]
Posts: 1624 (12/13/08 10:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The HII is just done. Surely they can get rid of it now and find some new twist to add to the game. I like the concept of a "ghost vote," which I think has been used in foreign versions (i.e. the person voted out gets to cast one last vote before they leave to be read at the next Tribal Council).
solesurvivor01		#89	[-]
Posts: 4216 (12/13/08 10:28 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: You don't realize you're being mean? It's called SUCKS for a reason, you know. If you want to have a legit flame-free discussion about the HII, then go to LTS. I'd be happy to take this there.
OXY		#90	[-]
Posts: 108 (12/13/08 10:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: First of all, the show isn't even primarily about game strategy, it is only a byproduct of the situation. Secondly, no HII season has ever produced a major "shakeup" as you may call it. Actually it consolidates the majority alliances power. If someone in the minority is saved by a HII, that is one person, and there is no real revolution, the majority still hold power. Whatever paranoia and convolution that results from the HII is extraneous and tedious to watch. This is not true in I think each season. In Exile Island, Terry became a bigger threat than he already was, and having the idol screwed over strategist Cirie. In Cook Islands, Jonathan mutinied because he thought Adam had the idol and then he joined Yul when he realized he had the idol. In Fiji, Yau-Man having the idol sped up the war between him and Dreamz. In China, Amanda blindsided James because he had 2 idols. In Micronesia, there are countless examples of the idol affecting things
Thailandsurvivor		#91	[-]
Posts: 3795 (12/13/08 10:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You still havn't given one point as to why the HII is good for the game. Explain. If your points are valid, you'll have a reason to talk. Until then, stop being a troll.
OXY		#92	[-]
Posts: 109 (12/13/08 10:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: And the HII prevents taking goats to the f2 how? We might as well discuss the validity of the f3 as well. I didn't say the idol prevents taking goats to the finals. I just said that it creates another strategic consideration besides the normal goat strategies
Thailandsurvivor		#93	[-]
Posts: 3796 (12/13/08 10:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: First of all, the show isn't even primarily about game strategy, it is only a byproduct of the situation. Secondly, no HII season has ever produced a major "shakeup" as you may call it. Actually it consolidates the majority alliances power. If someone in the minority is saved by a HII, that is one person, and there is no real revolution, the majority still hold power. Whatever paranoia and convolution that results from the HII is extraneous and tedious to watch. This is not true in I think each season. In Exile Island, Terry became a bigger threat than he already was, and having the idol screwed over strategist Cirie. In Cook Islands, Jonathan mutinied because he thought Adam had the idol and then he joined Yul when he realized he had the idol. In Fiji, Yau-Man having the idol sped up the war between him and Dreamz. In China, Amanda blindsided James because he had 2 idols. In Micronesia, there are countless examples of the idol affecting things And how are any of these good things? James leaving might be the only one, but when we have 3 straight episodes of whether or not James needs to be blindsided because of his idols added onto the amount of time James spent gloating about having them plus the giving/reciving clues/finding of the idol, and it's not worth it..
OXY		#94	[-]
Posts: 110 (12/13/08 10:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: OXY wrote: solesurvivor01 wrote: I've always said that as the show develops, so will contestants' strategies, and we saw proof of that in Exile Island, the first idol dominated season itself. Before EI, who the fuck knew of the "boot the goat" strategy. That was Cirie's creation, and it did not require an idol (in fact, she probably would have won had there been no idol). I've spoken about this a lot before, and I don't feel like doing it again right now. Maybe later. The point is not that you need the idol to have cool strategies, but it definitely creates another avenue besides the traditional strategies which revolve around taking the goat or booting it "Taking the goat or booting it" has nothing to do with the HII at all. In fact, the HII has killed more power shifts than any other twist in the history of Survivor. Exile Island- Everyone was too afraid of Terry and his idol to work with him. Cook Islands- No one would dare upset Yul (even when Adam offered to sacrifice himself to get rid of the damn idol). Fiji-Yau Man played the idol, and stopped a great strategic play by Cassandra and Dreamz from happening. China- James is too powerful because of his idols. PG and Erik are too afraid to work with him. Micronesia- The fans finally could have taken over the game, yet it was killed by Amanda playing the idol. Exile Island - Everybody was afraid to work with Terry because he was strong in challenges, not because of the idol. The idol probably helped people want to work with him (or fake it) to not get voted out Cook Islands - Jonathan mutinied because he thought Adam had the idol. Then it caused the huge power shift at the merge Fiji - You're just way off about this. There were tons of issues with the idol and it gave us 1 of our few double blindsides in Survivor history at the Edgardo boot. It kept things interesting when it could've been an even more boring Pagonging like when Cassandra and Dreamz tried to stop YM China - PG and Erik weren't afraid to work with James!!! He refused to work with them. what were you watching? Having the idol caused Todd to come up with that crazy plan which failed during the eating challenge. It caused James's huge blindside too! Micronesia - I don't think I even have to list all the wyas the idol made things awesome
Thailandsurvivor		#95	[-]
Posts: 3799 (12/13/08 10:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Fiji - You're just way off about this. There were tons of issues with the idol and it gave us 1 of our few double blindsides in Survivor history at the Edgardo boot. It kept things interesting when it could've been an even more boring Pagonging like when Cassandra and Dreamz tried to stop YM The Edgardo boot was great. That's all I'll give it. To say that it kept things interesting when it could have been an even more Pagonging is ridiculous because it would NOT have been a pagonging had Yau not had an idol to play. In fact, the game could have been fairly unpredictible (well...if it was a final two).
OXY		#96	[-]
Posts: 111 (12/13/08 10:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	solesurvivor01 wrote: OXY wrote: It has not overstayed its welcome since lots of people like me love it. It's not unfair because contestants know the rules about it ahead of time and should plan accordingly Yes, because it's really possible to plan to have the OTHER tribe send you to exile. Can you cite who "lots of people" are? The vast majority of this place hates the HII, so unless you're talking about casual fans (who's opinions don't count for shit here) then you're wrong. The HII prodcues a couple of great moments every season, but it's not worth eating up half of every episode that does NOT have one of these moments with bullshit about the HII. They could focus more on relationships, strategy, or even camp life, which has become a non-entity after episode one in all of the later seasons. Well it's not like the players have total control of what tribe they end up on or who gets to be their ally so what are you complaining about? This game can't be 100% fair. Everybody I know who watches the show loves the idol. I'm not wrong because the idol is still on the show hello. Jeff Probst loves it and says it's their best invention and I agree. It's worth it because the best seasons have been the last 6 seasons but things were starting to get very dull before that
OXY		#97	[-]
Posts: 112 (12/13/08 10:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: Fiji - You're just way off about this. There were tons of issues with the idol and it gave us 1 of our few double blindsides in Survivor history at the Edgardo boot. It kept things interesting when it could've been an even more boring Pagonging like when Cassandra and Dreamz tried to stop YM The Edgardo boot was great. That's all I'll give it. To say that it kept things interesting when it could have been an even more Pagonging is ridiculous because it would NOT have been a pagonging had Yau not had an idol to play. In fact, the game could have been fairly unpredictible (well...if it was a final two). Had there been no idol, then people wouldn't have been as worried about Yau Man. The horsemen were the ones who started getting Yau Man in trouble with Dreamz and Cassandra and got them thinking about blindsiding him because he had the idols. Without that, it'd probably have been the same final 4 with way less drama
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#98	[-]
Posts: 6486 (12/13/08 10:45 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: First of all, the show isn't even primarily about game strategy, it is only a byproduct of the situation. Secondly, no HII season has ever produced a major "shakeup" as you may call it. Actually it consolidates the majority alliances power. If someone in the minority is saved by a HII, that is one person, and there is no real revolution, the majority still hold power. Whatever paranoia and convolution that results from the HII is extraneous and tedious to watch. This is not true in I think each season. In Exile Island, Terry became a bigger threat than he already was, and having the idol screwed over strategist Cirie. In Cook Islands, Jonathan mutinied because he thought Adam had the idol and then he joined Yul when he realized he had the idol. In Fiji, Yau-Man having the idol sped up the war between him and Dreamz. In China, Amanda blindsided James because he had 2 idols. In Micronesia, there are countless examples of the idol affecting things I'll give some speculation as to how each season would fare without a HII. Panama: This is an interesting discussion and how Cirie would have altered her stratagy in light of no HII is an interesting one. From what I know about Ciries plan, it was pretty straightforward: Gamble that Aras beats Terry at the final 3 and try and beat him in the finals. If Terry is booted at the f4, than I think Aras would try harder to win that last immunity. If he does, he faces a fascinating dilemma: boot Cirie like he should, and risk losing her vote, or vote Danielle and take his chances with Cirie. Really, an Aras vs Cirie would have been very close, and would have produced the tension I think you are looking for. Cook Islands: I believe Jonathans decision to flip at final 9 was an emotional decision, only partly a strategic one. Without the idol, Yul has to try that much harder to consolidate the Aitu alliance, and if he does not, the situation is anarchy, which is what you want right? Fiji: The idol was interesting in Fiji, and it made it very convoluted, but I am sure it could have been just as interesting without it. China: James, as a percieved physical threat, would have been booted around that time anyway. As praised as China is for "going back to tradition", it is probably most responsible for extraneous materials. The results would have been exactly the same regardless of the HII. Micronesia: Ozzy was a huge threat regardless, and Jason would have been booted around the same time as well. It saved Amanda, but who cares about her?
Thailandsurvivor		#99	[-]
Posts: 3800 (12/13/08 10:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well it's not like the players have total control of what tribe they end up on or who gets to be their ally so what are you complaining about? Yeah, alliances are randomly made. No one has any control over who they make deals with. This game can't be 100% fair. So why make it more unfair than it is by having an idol that only one person can get (based on luck if they are picked). Everybody I know who watches the show loves the idol. I'm going to guess that you and your dog are the only people you know who watch the show. I'm not wrong because the idol is still on the show hello. Hello? Is this Heidi? Also, the final three is still on the show. Does that make it a good twist? Jeff Probst loves it and says it's their best invention and I agree. Yeah, Probst knows what makes a good show. Isn't Cook Islands one of his favorite seasons? It's worth it because the best seasons have been the last 6 seasons but things were starting to get very dull before that
OXY		#100	[-]
Posts: 113 (12/13/08 10:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: It has not overstayed its welcome since lots of people like me love it. It's not unfair because contestants know the rules about it ahead of time and should plan accordingly The fact that only one person at a time (which is determined by nothing they do, just whether they are lucky enough to have the other tribe pick them) is fair? Really? That's why Guatemala is the only season with a good use of the idol. Everyone had a fair shot. Well, everyone except Judd, but he kind of screwed that advantage up since the idol was not "totally by far on the ground". OXY wrote: Not necessarily. The producers choose to cut out people for a reason. If someone was super interesting they would use less time on idols. Instead, the people must not be that entertaining, so the idol fills in the gaps This is the single worst post I have ever read on Sucks. Your complaints about the idol being fair are dumb because the whole game is like that. Who gets to pick what tribe they are on? Either producers or somebody in a schoolyard pick. That is equally unfair. I didn't like Guatemala's idol as much although it helped lead to Danni's victory which was neat

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