Reason #327 why they should get rid of the HII...(and final three)

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Thailandsurvivor		#61	[-]
Posts: 3786 (12/13/08 10:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How was that a fail? You said the idol can shake the game up and may lead to complicated strategy. There is a good chance that it will play no factor except eat up air time that could be used meeting the castaways. You know, learning about their personalities.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#62	[-]
Posts: 6477 (12/13/08 10:00 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	First of all, the show isn't even primarily about game strategy, it is only a byproduct of the situation. Secondly, no HII season has ever produced a major "shakeup" as you may call it. Actually it consolidates the majority alliances power. If someone in the minority is saved by a HII, that is one person, and there is no real revolution, the majority still hold power. Whatever paranoia and convolution that results from the HII is extraneous and tedious to watch.
Thailandsurvivor		#63	[-]
Posts: 3787 (12/13/08 10:01 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I changed the title because the final three deserves less respect than the HII. Last Edited By: Thailandsurvivor 12/13/08 10:17 PM. Edited 1 times.
OXY		#64	[-]
Posts: 98 (12/13/08 10:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	solesurvivor01 wrote: I've always said that as the show develops, so will contestants' strategies, and we saw proof of that in Exile Island, the first idol dominated season itself. Before EI, who the fuck knew of the "boot the goat" strategy. That was Cirie's creation, and it did not require an idol (in fact, she probably would have won had there been no idol). I've spoken about this a lot before, and I don't feel like doing it again right now. Maybe later. The point is not that you need the idol to have cool strategies, but it definitely creates another avenue besides the traditional strategies which revolve around taking the goat or booting it
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#65	[-]
Posts: 6478 (12/13/08 10:04 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And the HII prevents taking goats to the f2 how? We might as well discuss the validity of the f3 as well.
OXY		#66	[-]
Posts: 99 (12/13/08 10:05 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: How was that a fail? You said the idol can shake the game up and may lead to complicated strategy. There is a good chance that it will play no factor except eat up air time that could be used meeting the castaways. You know, learning about their personalities. Well yeah but it doesn't hurt. You can say anything eats up time to get used to the castaways. Sometimes those people are boring too, which is why the idol is still on the show and the producers didn't get rid of it
solesurvivor01		#67	[-]
Posts: 4210 (12/13/08 10:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: I chanced the title because the final three deserves less respect than the HII. They both really suck, but I have to agree with you. And to OXY, if "cool strategies" will happen anyways, then why the hell should there be a completely unfair (beyond survivor standards of "fair"), repetitive, time-consuming, aspect of the show that's clearly overstayed its welcome?
OXY		#68	[-]
Posts: 100 (12/13/08 10:08 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It has not overstayed its welcome since lots of people like me love it. It's not unfair because contestants know the rules about it ahead of time and should plan accordingly
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#69	[-]
Posts: 6479 (12/13/08 10:08 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: Thailandsurvivor wrote: How was that a fail? You said the idol can shake the game up and may lead to complicated strategy. There is a good chance that it will play no factor except eat up air time that could be used meeting the castaways. You know, learning about their personalities. Well yeah but it doesn't hurt. You can say anything eats up time to get used to the castaways. Sometimes those people are boring too, which is why the idol is still on the show and the producers didn't get rid of it They are boring BECAUSE of pointless add ons to the game, as well as the shift in editing/casting.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#70	[-]
Posts: 6480 (12/13/08 10:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: It has not overstayed its welcome since lots of people like me love it. It's not unfair because contestants know the rules about it ahead of time and should plan accordingly It's not unfair, it's just ridiculous. As I stated before, the game is a byproduct of the social experiment. The show could work if everyone refused to play the game and just vote eachother off based on whatever whims they have.
OXY		#71	[-]
Posts: 101 (12/13/08 10:11 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Not necessarily. The producers choose to cut out people for a reason. If someone was super interesting they would use less time on idols. Instead, the people must not be that entertaining, so the idol fills in the gaps
Thailandsurvivor		#72	[-]
Posts: 3788 (12/13/08 10:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: solesurvivor01 wrote: I've always said that as the show develops, so will contestants' strategies, and we saw proof of that in Exile Island, the first idol dominated season itself. Before EI, who the fuck knew of the "boot the goat" strategy. That was Cirie's creation, and it did not require an idol (in fact, she probably would have won had there been no idol). I've spoken about this a lot before, and I don't feel like doing it again right now. Maybe later. The point is not that you need the idol to have cool strategies, but it definitely creates another avenue besides the traditional strategies which revolve around taking the goat or booting it "Taking the goat or booting it" has nothing to do with the HII at all. In fact, the HII has killed more power shifts than any other twist in the history of Survivor. Exile Island- Everyone was too afraid of Terry and his idol to work with him. Cook Islands- No one would dare upset Yul (even when Adam offered to sacrifice himself to get rid of the damn idol). Fiji-Yau Man played the idol, and stopped a great strategic play by Cassandra and Dreamz from happening. China- James is too powerful because of his idols. PG and Erik are too afraid to work with him. Micronesia- The fans finally could have taken over the game, yet it was killed by Amanda playing the idol.
solesurvivor01		#73	[-]
Posts: 4211 (12/13/08 10:13 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: It has not overstayed its welcome since lots of people like me love it. It's not unfair because contestants know the rules about it ahead of time and should plan accordingly Yes, because it's really possible to plan to have the OTHER tribe send you to exile. Can you cite who "lots of people" are? The vast majority of this place hates the HII, so unless you're talking about casual fans (who's opinions don't count for shit here) then you're wrong. The HII prodcues a couple of great moments every season, but it's not worth eating up half of every episode that does NOT have one of these moments with bullshit about the HII. They could focus more on relationships, strategy, or even camp life, which has become a non-entity after episode one in all of the later seasons.
OXY		#74	[-]
Posts: 102 (12/13/08 10:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That's what mean. The idol creates another strategic consideration besides just the basic goat strategy
Thailandsurvivor		#75	[-]
Posts: 3789 (12/13/08 10:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It has not overstayed its welcome since lots of people like me love it. It's not unfair because contestants know the rules about it ahead of time and should plan accordingly The fact that only one person at a time (which is determined by nothing they do, just whether they are lucky enough to have the other tribe pick them) is fair? Really? That's why Guatemala is the only season with a good use of the idol. Everyone had a fair shot. Well, everyone except Judd, but he kind of screwed that advantage up since the idol was not "totally by far on the ground". OXY wrote: Not necessarily. The producers choose to cut out people for a reason. If someone was super interesting they would use less time on idols. Instead, the people must not be that entertaining, so the idol fills in the gaps This is the single worst post I have ever read on Sucks.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#76	[-]
Posts: 6482 (12/13/08 10:17 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: Not necessarily. The producers choose to cut out people for a reason. If someone was super interesting they would use less time on idols. Instead, the people must not be that entertaining, so the idol fills in the gaps I don't agree. Interviews this season have bemoaned the fact that so much interesting content that could be used to observe the castaways personalities is sarificed for boring scenes of idle discussion. You never refuted my positions on how the HII doesn't revolutionalize the game by the way.
OXY		#77	[-]
Posts: 103 (12/13/08 10:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: First of all, the show isn't even primarily about game strategy, it is only a byproduct of the situation. Secondly, no HII season has ever produced a major "shakeup" as you may call it. Actually it consolidates the majority alliances power. If someone in the minority is saved by a HII, that is one person, and there is no real revolution, the majority still hold power. Whatever paranoia and convolution that results from the HII is extraneous and tedious to watch. The show is about whatever you want. I like entertainment and the idol has made the best seasons so far so I love it
solesurvivor01		#78	[-]
Posts: 4212 (12/13/08 10:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: That's what mean. The idol creates another strategic consideration besides just the basic goat strategy No it doesn't. The idol encourages Pagongings (or at least prevents power shifts), eats up time, and diverts the survivors' focus, making it HARDER for them to find new strategies. Oh, and HII aside, the concept of Exile Island prevents power shifts.
OXY		#79	[-]
Posts: 104 (12/13/08 10:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You're totally wrong about all that
Thailandsurvivor		#80	[-]
Posts: 3791 (12/13/08 10:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OXY wrote: You're totally wrong about all that If we're all wrong, then explain to us what new strategies have been created since the idol came back in Exile Island.

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