EP12: The Good Guys Should Win in the End

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James Barber		#41	[-]
Posts: 14722 (12/06/08 12:00 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	JFerrero wrote: Quote sounds like Matty. Matty said in one of his secret scenes a while back that he's basically a good guy, then he remembers he talked some trash about Corrine and Crystal (oops) and he said Sugar is a nice person (I guess d*icking around with Randy's cookies and humilaiting the guy is ok) and that Susie is awesome? (hmm everyone else apparently thinks she's annoying). And then Matty made mention of good versus evil and hopefully good wins. So long as final tribal rocks, I don't care who wins. Randy compared Sugar to Charles Manson and Bin Laden in one of his interviews. You know he's been waiting at the Ponderosa to unload on Sugar. I can't wait. I think that interview was before what Sugar did to Randy. I haven't actually heard of Susie doing anything that bad, other than talking too much, and then Ken going around saying she spreads stories and that she's playing the game too hard. (nice to see that the Fang core is as judgmental as ever)
SPunKeeMonKee		#42	[-]
Posts: 11440 (12/06/08 12:02 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^ He wasn't being "judgmental".. that's his way of playing the game, he did the same thing to Ace when he was trying to get Sugar to turn on him.
James Barber		#43	[-]
Posts: 14723 (12/06/08 12:06 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SPunKeeMonKee wrote: ^ He wasn't being "judgmental".. that's his way of playing the game, he did the same thing to Ace when he was trying to get Sugar to turn on him. I think it's a weak way to play, especially since he should sense that if Sugar already heard that once, she might get skeptical if she hears it again about another player. Then, after blasting Susie for possibly turning against the alliance, he himself turns against the alliance only a few days later, which makes his anger over the whole thing look hypocritical. That type of double standard makes it harder for him to play up the golly gee innocent player.
deniseannette		#44	[-]
Posts: 2 (12/06/08 4:56 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	In jeff's blog he says: "Next week on...Survivor. A new agreement could completely change the game....if only you could trust these people to keep their word" I think that this means either Kenny or Matty is going home! i think it will happen either way: 1. Matty says to Sugar and Susie, that its them to the final three but at the last minute they change their minds and vote him out (because obviously they cant beat him physically) or 2. Bob promises to give the immunity necklace to Kenny. Bob ends up winning the necklace and at tribal council when Jeff asks Bob if he is going to keep the necklace he says yes and its bye bye to Kenny! (Yau-Man/Dreams style)
rattt	matty--matty--matty	#45	[-]
Posts: 9 (12/06/08 6:15 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think that Matty attempts to bring Sugar and Suzie into a final 3 alliance and it is his statement to them that "The Good Guys should win in the end". This gives Suzie a "good guy" image and reassures Sugar that Corinne and Randy are wrong about her being evil. The failure of this plan is that Suzie and Sugar realize that by going to the final three with Matty, they are fighting for second (2nd) place. In addition, Matty has yet to start an anticipated immunity run which the girls also may believe is a possibility and would leave them vulnerable to a potential vote off if they were caught on the wrong side of the votes. This would mean that Suzie doesn't trust Sugar to remain loyal and Sugar doesn't trust Suzie either. So, a plan is hatched to go along with Matty (remember--- he is trustworthy and that is what gets him in trouble per Jeff Probst) as the sides break down to three (3) versus three (3) with the others being Bob, Kenny, and Crystal. This pits two allies (Bob and Sugar)on opposite sides and that is where Matty sees an opening. Bob is supposed to be next, so if Sugar gives Bob the idol, any votes cast for him will be negated and the next highest vote total will be elimimated. Matty is hoping to blindside Kenny with this scheme but Sugar holds onto the idol, and through her leak of information to Bob, the other side is aware of the blindside and Matty is voted out 4-2 (Suzie was not privy to the scheme) thanks for listening--this is pure speculation--rattt
James Barber		#46	[-]
Posts: 14724 (12/06/08 6:20 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The failure of this plan is that Suzie and Sugar realize that by going to the final three with Matty, they are fighting for second (2nd) place. Sugar has already said she knows she'd be second if she goes with Ken and Crystal, and that's fine with her, as long as she beats Crystal. Susie and Sugar have no real chance of winning against anyone who is left, although they may still try. The "good people" stuff would probably be the only card Matty has to play.
mtj1282		#47	[-]
Posts: 1904 (12/06/08 6:58 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Barber wrote: The failure of this plan is that Suzie and Sugar realize that by going to the final three with Matty, they are fighting for second (2nd) place. Sugar has already said she knows she'd be second if she goes with Ken and Crystal, and that's fine with her, as long as she beats Crystal. Susie and Sugar have no real chance of winning against anyone who is left, although they may still try. The "good people" stuff would probably be the only card Matty has to play. We dont know how matty, kenny, crystal , susie, and bob would vote if on the jury. With all the different combinations of people they final three could be made up of, we dont know what susie and sugars chances are. For susie, we could use editing as a good indicator that she doesnt win, but with sugar not neccessarily. If the onions splt there votes between the other two final three members, since none of them will vote for sugar, then the remaining three jury members could vote for sugar and give her the win.
LKMOSCAR		#48	[-]
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Heliox		#49	[-]
Posts: 1431 (12/06/08 2:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Do Kenny and Susie have new/clean shirts? I do not remember Susie wearing a plaid shirt in prior episodes.
crzypunk2004		#50	[-]
Posts: 3926 (12/06/08 2:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Susie got it at the auction
Heliox		#51	[-]
Posts: 1432 (12/06/08 2:21 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	crzypunk2004 wrote: Susie got it at the auction Just after I posted that, I remembered that she had, thanks. But she hasn't really worn the shirt, even when hubby was there, weird.
cindidindi76		#52	[-]
Posts: 13793 (12/06/08 2:33 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	KJ4TheWin wrote: "This season, the idols get played in a way they've never been played before," he reveals. "It astounded me what happened this time. This has never happened." I still think we have yet to see this. "The Idols." As in, there are more than one. Fake idols have been played before. Could it be argued with what happened in Episode 11 is it? Sorry, I forget, when was an idol thrown in the fucking ocean before?
poop		#53	[-]
Posts: 39 (12/06/08 4:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The "simple plan" could be Bob playing fake idol 2.0, then sugar quickly deciding to waste her own out of paranoia.
KJ4TheWin		#54	[-]
Posts: 110 (12/06/08 5:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cindidindi76 wrote: KJ4TheWin wrote: "This season, the idols get played in a way they've never been played before," he reveals. "It astounded me what happened this time. This has never happened." I still think we have yet to see this. "The Idols." As in, there are more than one. Fake idols have been played before. Could it be argued with what happened in Episode 11 is it? Sorry, I forget, when was an idol thrown in the fucking ocean before? Read it again... it says "This season, the idols get PLAYED in a way they've never been played before." idols, meaning more than one, and played, obviously meaning someone uses it in some shape or form.
SurvivorFanGP		#55	[-]
Posts: 9639 (12/06/08 6:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"Next week on...Survivor. A new agreement could completely change the game....if only you could trust these people to keep their word" I'm thinkin' this means yet another potential powershift that doesn't happen. Well, it was technically a "play" by Marcus to get them to throw it into the ocean. Though the other way it'd be played differently at this point is if Sugar gives it to someone.
rbk32	PIP Promo	#56	[-]
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sunflower101		#57	[-]
Posts: 4026 (12/06/08 9:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rbk32 wrote: The Good Guys Should Win in the End * One castaway finds himself scrambling to secure an alliance, having attempted unsuccessfully to blindside one of his allies. * A stunning reward allows some castaways a rare glimpse of Gabon and it's most majestic inhabitants. * A power hungry castaway uses guilt to gain to control of an ally, but his pushy demands may land him in hot water. * A simple plan is hatched to put the hidden immunity idol into play, resulting in a shocking turn of events at Tribal Council. If Sugar/Susie are also mad at Kenny for his vote he could be trying to guilt trip people to stay in his alliance. I could see a shocking Kenny or Matty boot.
sunflower101		#58	[-]
Posts: 4027 (12/06/08 9:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	KJ4TheWin wrote: Jeff's new EW.com blog is out, and this caught my attention: Next week on...Survivor. A new agreement could completely change the game....if only you could trust these people to keep their word. Now, I think it is almost 100% common knowledge for this to be Matty saying to Sugar "Me, You and Sue to the end!" Does Matty go back on it and join in on the plan to flush the idol? Or Suzie? Or does Sugar/Suzie throw the flush back on Matty? It almost sounds like he is saying that someone gets betrayed immediately. That just could be misdirection though. He did hint at a Kenny blindside in one of his blogs. That could just be misdirection though.
conschobhar		#59	[-]
Posts: 39 (12/06/08 10:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That red person behind matty in the walk to tribal worries me. Now it makes sense how the person on the bridge in the F5 immunity challenge is Bob. Also if it's between bob and crystal for immunity I think there's a great chance at bob winning it. So sugar will be in the middle and either give kenny the idol to send matty home, or matty the idol to send crystal home. I say crystal instead of kenny because I really think kenny is in the F5 immunity video. Plus, I can see the sugar/matty playing emotionally and taking out crystal even though kenny is a much bigger threat. That leaves either crystal or matty as the person behind susie in the F5 challenge. I hope to god it's crystal in the F5, and I find some solace in the fact that the promos make it seem like kenny and crystal are in trouble, and in past weeks the promos have been blatant misdirection.
sunflower101		#60	[-]
Posts: 4028 (12/06/08 10:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Barber wrote: The failure of this plan is that Suzie and Sugar realize that by going to the final three with Matty, they are fighting for second (2nd) place. Sugar has already said she knows she'd be second if she goes with Ken and Crystal, and that's fine with her, as long as she beats Crystal. Susie and Sugar have no real chance of winning against anyone who is left, although they may still try. The "good people" stuff would probably be the only card Matty has to play. Yes that was also before Kenny tried to blindside a member of his alliance. Would Sugar still trust Kenny to take her to the final 3 after that?

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