I'm glad that everyone's on the same page. I thought I was a minority in my Savage hate.
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I'm glad that everyone's on the same page. I thought I was a minority in my Savage hate. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6225 (12/03/08 7:12 AM) Registered user |
WylDawg wrote:Alright, I'll grant you you that Andrew was a dick, but how did he drag his team down? Did you actually expect him to keep Ryan and Lill over Osten? |
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^ Because he formed his Morgan 5 clique and pretty much told everyone else to fuck off and die. That's always a recipe for disaster. Look at Samburu and
Sook Jai.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6229 (12/03/08 8:59 AM) Registered user |
Well he was prretty sucessful at it until the Outcast twist, something he couldn't have seen coming. For all we know, Shawn could of jumped ship.
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spyzsrvvrcharmd |
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I hated Assdrew too, especially when I heard his commentary on the DVD.
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PrettyGoodYear1988 |
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It's annoying enough that Jeff likes Andrew, but the fact that he called Lill the most undeserving finalist is total bullshit. You know it's not
because she was an Outcast, because he wouldn't be saying the same thing about Burton if he had made the finals. It was because she was an old woman who
cried a lot and competed in challenges without pants on. Still, like she said and Tijuana agreed with, she was responsible for the majority of the post-merge
boots.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6233 (12/03/08 9:20 AM) Registered user |
Correction: Jon and Burton were. I still think Jeff is an asshole though. |
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WylDawg |
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PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote: That is so fucking true! You just know Probst would totally defend the Outcast twist if it was Burton who eneded up in the final 2 instead |
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WylDawg wrote:totally... |
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survivor300 |
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Yep very true. I wonder what he really feels about Gabon. I know he has stated that gabon gets better each week.
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PrettyGoodYear1988 |
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I think it depends on who wins. I couldn't see him being very happy with a Sugar win. If it's Crystal, he'll probably do something outrageous
like call her the "strongest female player ever" just because she's a 6' 4'' Olympic champion, and he'll call the season good.
If Matty wins, it might be one of his favorite post-ASS seasons because "the nice guy won."
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Lill took a major beating at the Final Tribal, and Andrew even said at the reunion that Lill could never lie in the game because of her scout uniform, but Ryan
O could because he's an electrician. Excuse me but, what the hell? Even when the season was airing a lot of people on the boards didn't like Lill
because her whining and crying. Yet, I found her to be genuine and as Trish said, "She tried to be as nice as she could, until she couldn't be nice
anymore." I would've vote for her at the end. Outcast twist aside she did a complete 180 and took matters into her own hands.
Anyone remember an interview where Andrew said, "No one will ever convince me that Lill outlasted me." Granted, Lill was voted out. But she came back in due a twist that was not something she decided on her own. It's not as if she said, "I'm coming back into the game". What the hell was she supposed to do? "Oh no, Jeff I can't come back, I don't want the second chance." I would've taken it and any of the remaining ten would've done the same. Andrew is just pissed off because Lill didn't join him when the merge happened. Okay, what if she had, was Lill's fears of being ditched unfounded? I certainly don't think so. Face it folks, Lill also took beating because she was an older woman. And women get it a lot tougher at the final tribal. Katie, Twila, Danielle, Kelly, Kim J, Becky, Cassandra, Amanda (both in China and Micronesia) can all attest to it. Bottom line is this, people hated the outcast twist, but it isn't the main reason for the dislike of Lill. It was her personality and how she was as a person that irritated the hell out of her tribemates, and being an outcast was just another excuse to use to hate Lill for how she played the game. That final vote was strictly personal, and people were voting more against Lill than for Sandra. I think Tijuana put it best when she was casting her vote: "Sandra, I'm not sure if your strategy even began. So I had to look at who played the game regardless of tribal council, I think Lill did a phenomenal job, she came in as an outcast and played the game using her mind. With that being said, this vote goes to you, Lill." |
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PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote:Are you kidding? He loves Sugar and probably hates Crystal the way he's always bashing her and Fang |
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I think there's a difference between loving a player and wanting that player to win. He loved Scout because she was such this super-liberal lesbian
country woman, but he would have hated to see her in the finals, and probably would have wanted to shoot himself if she won.
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KiLLamanjaro |
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He's already said that people will be rooting for Sugar and that he'd be delighted if Matty won. Ken also grew on him. No mention of Crystal ever
although he's always trashing Fang and Crystal always gets ragged on the most
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chapera rocks |
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WylDawg wrote:To be fair, Lill didn't really start playing the game until final 5. Before that, there's episodes where she asked to be spoonfed what to say when they got back to camp from rewards. She was babied by Jon and Burton until final 5 when her moodiness kicked in (didn't she say it was menopause? |
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finishthemoff |
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chapera rocks wrote: Just because she is not young and pretty does not make her a lousy player. |
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WylDawg |
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To be fair, Lill didn't really start playing the game until final 5. Before that, there's episodes where she asked to be spoonfed what to say when they got back to camp from rewards. She was babied by Jon and Burton until final 5 when her moodiness kicked in (didn't she say it was menopause? I sorta agree and disagree. Lill was somewhat spoonfed by Fairplay and Burton, but she also analyzed every situation and made sure that it worked in her best interest before proceding to go along with it. She actually checked on both sides to make sure what everyone was planning on doing and jumped on the side that was the most advantageous for her. She wasn't a straight up strategist who called the shots and got people to do her bidding because old ladies in this game simply cannot do that, but she knew better than anyone on that season when to shift directions. She was the only one who had a hand in every boot post-merge.
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finishthemoff |
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Beside, she was stuck in the tribe who is RAN by egomaniac Savage who won't even listen to her. Not even Rafe and Rob C can work something out with him.
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PrettyGoodYear1988 |
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I would say that Lill is the only "old lady" archetype character to actually play the game. It's a shame she thought her Outcast status would
keep her from winning no matter what. I would have loved to see a Lill vs. Fairplay Final Tribal Council. Don't get me wrong, I love Sandra, but it's
so rare that we see two strategists against each other in the finals (although I still don't think Lill would have won, despite what the Jury said at the
finale).
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