Gabon Insider Episode 8

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XC		#61	[-]
Posts: 2 (11/09/08 7:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I love it how Marcus' "secret scene" is him being a d-bag to kenny...everybody hates him, even those nerds who run the heinous cbs website
sunflower101		#62	[-]
Posts: 3876 (11/10/08 12:17 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: Marcus did have a better shot to save himself than Jacquie. When you are in that situation, you really need to bet all your money on one horse. Remember how Yul decided Jonthan was the swing vote and worked him exclusively. Marcus got distracted by the fact Crystal was a distant relative. Still, getting Susie on side may have been hopeless. KC could legitimately offer her 3rd in their alliance, Marcus couldn't. Maybe he should have used fear on Susie the way Tom W did on Katie at F5 Reassure her she's certain of 6th of better with Kota, but if KCS don't get the majority at the merge, Corinne will be sending her home 9th or 8th. (I bet that is what will happen.) Loved Marcus referring to the Onion as a Hydra, not dependent on a single leader. He repeated that in interviews. The Hydra is a mythical beast with many heads, and the ability to regenerate more when they some are cut off. Jacquie goes, replaced by Randy. Marcus goes, maybe replaced by Matty? Marcus's problem is he should have gone for the safe Susie boot.He still would have had a vote advantage with Bob/Randy both still in the game.
sunflower101		#63	[-]
Posts: 3877 (11/10/08 12:25 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Barber wrote: It could also be Corinne and Charlie who label themselves as the good people. They probably place Crystal, Ken and Susie under the axis of evil for voting out their god. I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but Crystal has already started labeling people like Matty as "evil". Ken also seems to possibly have that vibe. I don't know which side the show will play up, but so far I've seen more of that from Fang. I can only hope that Matty/Sugar aren't that retarded. Barring an immunity run, aligning with the Onions is just asking for 6th and 5th place...maybe even worse for Matty since the Onions fear him as a physical threat. They've got a much better shot by throwing in with the physically weaker Ken/Crystal/Susie trifecta. Matty would be taking a huge risk by working with Ken/Crystal/Susie. Crystal doesn't like him and based on his voting comments, Ken seems to have some need to scapegoat the alpha male players. He "risked his life" from the start to get rid of Ace. Marcus is a "bully" and a "bad guy". Matty's going to be on that target list soon enough, as soon as they have the numbers. Ken will find a reason to make him the new bad guy. I don't know, I wish we'd seen more of their relationship. I don't know whether Matty's going to make it through the next episode, but if he does, then I think he'd probably be better off going with the Onions and Bob. I also think Randy's going to stay with the Onions no matter what, because even if he tries to jump ship, there's no way Crystal is ever going to forget him taunting her. Well it's possible that Ken/Matty like each other somewhat. Matty told Ace he didn't want to vote out Ken. There must have been some reason for that. Also why was Ken so worried about making Matty see that Ace was using him.
ncassaro		#64	[-]
Posts: 249 (11/10/08 12:49 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: I don't think the switches were unfair to Kota. The first tribe switch was not unfair to Kota. The second tribe switch was BLATANTLY unfair to Kota, especially the Four original Onions. The same thing happened to Chapera in ASS. TMG, I recall that you were one of the sucksters (including me) that thought that the evening-up of the tribes was complete bullshit. Has something changed ? And please, no bullshit about "wow, Kota has a 3-2 advantage in each tribe now !" I am sure that Kota would prefer to continue to decimate the weak Fangs, either with tribes continuing at 6-4 or after the usual merge. And it was so obvious that Susie was gonna jump, the Kota breakdown was actually 2-2-1. Hell even Randy wanted to throw the IC cause he knew that Marcus was in danger. Marcus' only error was believing that his new random "bond" with Crystal meant anything. It's interesting in his recent interviews that he is still pissed with Ken and Crystal and not so pissed at Susie. I guess he knew she wouldn't work with him anyway. Say they had merged though. Sugar tells Susie she has the idol and will vote Susie out if Susie does not vote with Fang. Susie votes with Fang for Marcus, Kota votes for Matty. Matty plays Sugar's idol and... Marcus goes anyway. Same thing was gonna happen no matter what.
craig		#65	[-]
Posts: 14272 (11/10/08 3:41 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The first tribe switch was not unfair to Kota. No, Kota had the numbers 8-7 so none of them should have been stuck in the minority 4-3. Kota member Sugar had the idol and was friends with Jacquie, and she gets exiled so Jacquie is a sitting duck. Then Sugar gets stuck on Fang so the losers have a continued supply of Kotas under their thumb. As for Marcus, he did have loyal allies trying to throw the challenge to protect him (unlike Michelle and Aaron), and he did have one original Fang (Randy) completely flipped into a loyal Kota. In must simil;ar twists, one of both of those would be enough to survive. Marcus was a great player, just not great enough to mindfuck Susie into a move clearly not in her interest. Yeah, he might have played better last episode, but the result probably would be the same. Crystal and Ken didn't have to much, because MB and Matty (in the challenge) did 90% of it. Last Edited By: craig 11/10/08 3:52 AM. Edited 1 times.
daggers44		#66	[-]
Posts: 1030 (11/10/08 7:46 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Marcus a great player? He voted for Susie at TC letting her know she's next on the pecking order He failed to reassure Susie of a final 3 pact He tried to get Crystal to vote out her closest ally expecting her to follow through He told Crystal about his Kota 6 alliance and that Susie was hated by everyone, allowing Crystal to use this info in swaying Susie GREAT PLAYER!
Heliox		#67	[-]
Posts: 1274 (11/10/08 8:22 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mistopheles wrote: To me, while I love to see the physical dominance in the challenges, the real game of Survivor is not in the challenges in but being able to constantly crunch the numbers, read and manipulate people, play nicely socially, adapt to surprises and scheme to get to the end. Otherwise, why not just get a bunch of physical players to play? Marcus did not have gameplay because he could not adapt when the game changed. I enjoy the changes in the game, I hate when the players can predict merge or when a team gets pagonged. I want people to constantly be on their toes and play. Perhaps the problem with Kota 6 is that they won so much, they really did not have to play until now whereas Fang has constantly had to play the game. Oh, and everytime someone quotes Marcus here, I throw up a little. What a jerk. Big x! Jeff P and Burnett have always said this is a SOCIAL game, and the twists that are thrown at the players are done to challenge their ability to adapt in different situations. Sometimes the twist benefits them, like Marcus being picked into the younger more physical "white collar" Kota group. Or the twist challenges them, like Marcus being placed with 3 original Fang members older, blue collar, less physical team. Sure it was easy for Marcus in the beginning, but when he actually had to play the game, with people outside of his normal social circle, he showed he was very very weak, and quite ignorant. Really really disappointed in Marcus, he needs a huge reality check.
The Very Insane Shark		#68	[-]
Posts: 3970 (11/10/08 10:09 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Amen to that. When the second switch happened, Marcus really played terribly and richly deserved his boot. And to chalk it all up to Kenny "lacking human compassion" afterward is just plain stupid. Ace and Marcus are even worse than that douche Joel from last season...at least he was man enough to give credit where it was due and admitted that Cirie had outplayed him.
christy1018		#69	[-]
Posts: 2260 (11/10/08 11:27 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	gotta love Marcus getting his pornstache going at the ole Ponderosa. I think I have never been happier to see someone voted off the island than I was when this asshole left. Too bad we have to see his sorry ass again and again and again until the season is over. I bet him and Charlie bond a lot at ponderosa. JMO... I have no idea if or when he joins Marcus at LL.
SwineForkbeard		#70	[-]
Posts: 1858 (11/11/08 2:26 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Heliox wrote: Big x! Jeff P and Burnett have always said this is a SOCIAL game, and the twists that are thrown at the players are done to challenge their ability to adapt in different situations. Sometimes the twist benefits them, like Marcus being picked into the younger more physical "white collar" Kota group. Or the twist challenges them, like Marcus being placed with 3 original Fang members older, blue collar, less physical team. Sure it was easy for Marcus in the beginning, but when he actually had to play the game, with people outside of his normal social circle, he showed he was very very weak, and quite ignorant. Really really disappointed in Marcus, he needs a huge reality check. Red x. These fanboys need to STFU about the twist being "unfair" to Marcus. He was in a position where he might have coasted to the end without facing any major obstacles, like Todd. I hate to see anybody win this game without being challenged and overcoming some adversity, and it was about time Marcus's game was put on the line where he couldn't rely on his alliance to protect him, an alliance which by his own admission was a clique in which young, athletic people had almost guaranteed safety. Susie said herself that if she voted for Marcus, it would be his own fault for not giving her a straight answer about her position in his alliance, and I agree with her. Once he was put in a position where he had to scramble and schmooze people, like Ken and Crystal have had to do, his lack of versatility was exposed. If he couldn't overcome that adversity and survive one tribal council without immunity, then he didn't deserve to win, IMO.
Mistopheles	Marcus	#71	[-]
Posts: 472 (11/11/08 11:46 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	After reading the posts here, it occured to me that maybe Marcus, with his white collar job, could not relate to blue collar people because he sees them as a little less than him. Perhaps he thought that, just like at work, he could boss those whose title is beneath him around. A doctor can always boss an orderly around, heck, they can boss other professionals around. He just did not know how to deal with subordinates who knew he was not in charge. I don't understand why Marcus and Bob did not keep watch on Susie 24/7 so that Kenny or Crystal could never talk to her alone. I am glad Marcus is gone, it is going to force the onions to play a little harder. Bring on the lying, the conniving, the backstabbing gameplay. You should not be "best friends" with people you have known for 30 days. Your family whom you have known your whole life would appreciate the million dollar prize more. I also liked the post where someone said that the best gameplayers survived out of Fang. The whole idea of survival of the fittest (most cunning) makes me smile. Oh, and one more time, Marcus is a douche. Last Edited By: Mistopheles 11/11/08 11:54 AM. Edited 1 times.

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