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It's in the air today...
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merkyl wrote: Wow. I actually didn't peg you as a pussy. I guess you showed me!
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PassionatePiscesMan |
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I is votin' for Da Man cuz he is kool and smokes real cigs.
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meatball77 |
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Mind The Gap1 wrote:McCain won the nomination because the Huckabee and Romney people couldn't decide which they wanted. So they got the third string. No majority win |
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Miles Edgeworth |
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I hate to break to so-called white apologists, but race only got Obamas foot in the door and even than it was more of a hindrance than a help. When running for
president experience means shit, look at what happened when Buchanan became president. Obama is where he is, because he ran a better campaign than three people
( Edwards, Clinton, and McCain) who had more experience running at this level and who underestimated him. That Clinton ran the democratic race like she was
under republican convention rules was her fuckup. Obama refusing to give her any breaks when he was on top also showed that he has a killer instinct. Hell
McCain is now going into states that he should have had in his pocket by now as opposed to trying to cherry pick blue states; remember when there was fears
that McCain could pick up New York? If these people cant even run a decent campaign and defeat someone with little experience running at this level, than why
should they be president. If race was all that was needed than Jesse Jackson would have been a serious candidate for a running mate as opposed to a Jerry
Brown desperation tactic.
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merkyl |
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So Obama should be president because he's black AND a good campaigner. Got it.
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Strange Flute |
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However it works for you, merk, that's the ticket.
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Miles Edgeworth |
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So than you think McCain should be president because he is white and a bad campaigner? |
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CBRetriever |
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no, white and he was a POW
I don't think ny of the blathering (there a are a few notable exceptions) going on here is gonna change anyones vote |
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meatball77 |
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Voters say they were duped into registering as Republicans
Stephen Osman / Los Angeles Times "I am not a Republican," insisted Karen Ashcraft, 47, a pet clinic manager from Ventura who said she was duped by a signature gatherer into joining the GOP. "I certainly . . . won't sign anything in front of a grocery store ever again." YPM, a group hired by the GOP, allegedly deceived Californians who thought they were signing a petition. YPM denies any wrongdoing. Similar accusations have been leveled against the company elsewhere. By Evan Halper and Michael Rothfeld, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers October 18, 2008 SACRAMENTO -- Dozens of newly minted Republican voters say they were duped into joining the party by a GOP contractor with a trail of fraud complaints stretching across the country. Voters contacted by The Times said they were tricked into switching parties while signing what they believed were petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. Some said they were told that they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Others had no idea their registration was being changed. "I am not a Republican," insisted Karen Ashcraft, 47, a pet-clinic manager and former Democrat from Ventura who said she was duped by a signature gatherer into joining the GOP. "I certainly . . . won't sign anything in front of a grocery store ever again." It is a bait-and-switch scheme familiar to election experts. The firm hired by the California Republican Party -- a small company called Young Political Majors, or YPM, which operates in several states -- has been accused of using the tactic across the country. Election officials and lawmakers have launched investigations into the activities of YPM workers in Florida and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit. Prosecutors in Los Angeles and Ventura counties say they are investigating complaints about the company. The firm, which a Republican Party spokesman said is paid $7 to $12 for each registration it secures, has denied any wrongdoing and says it has never been charged with a crime. The 70,000 voters YPM has registered for the Republican Party this year will help combat the public perception that it is struggling amid Democratic gains nationally, give a boost to fundraising efforts and bolster member support for party leaders, political strategists from both parties say. Those who were formerly Democrats may stop receiving phone calls and literature from that party, perhaps affecting its get-out-the-vote efforts. They also will be given only a Republican ballot in the next primary election if they do not switch their registration back before then. Some also report having their registration status changed to absentee without their permission; if they show up at the polls without a ballot they may be unable to vote. The Times randomly interviewed 46 of the hundreds of voters whose election records show they were recently re-registered as Republicans by YPM, and 37 of them -- more than 80% -- said that they were misled into making the change or that it was done without their knowledge. Lydia Laws, a Palm Springs retiree, said she was angry to find recently that her registration had been switched from Democrat to Republican. Laws said the YPM staffer who instructed her to identify herself on a petition as a Republican assured her that it was a formality, and that her registration would not be changed. Later, a card showed up in the mail saying she had joined the GOP. "I said, 'No, no, no. That's not right,' " Laws said. It all sounds familiar to Beverly Hill, a Democrat and the former election supervisor in Florida's Alachua County. About 200 voters -- mostly college students -- were unwittingly registered as Republicans there in 2004 by YPM staffers using the same tactic, Hill said. "It is just incredible that this can keep happening election after election," she said. YPM and Republican Party officials said they were surprised by the complaints. The officials said the signature gatherers wear shirts bearing the Republican symbol, an elephant -- a contention disputed by some of the voters interviewed. Every person registered signs an affidavit confirming they voluntarily joined the GOP, party leaders said. "It does the state party no good to register people in a party they don't want to be in," said Hector Barajas, communications director for the California Republican Party. The document that voters thought was an initiative petition has no legal implications at all. YPM founder Mark Jacoby said the petition was clearly labeled as a "plebiscite," which does nothing more than show public support. He also said that plainclothes investigators for Secretary of State Debra Bowen, a Democrat, have conducted multiple spot checks and told his firm it is doing nothing improper. "Every time, they gave us a thumbs-up," Jacoby said. "People are not being tricked." But Nicole Winger, a spokeswoman for the secretary of state's office, said the agency "does not give an OK or seal of approval to voter registration groups." Two years ago, Orange County Dist. Atty. Tony Rackauckas charged 12 workers for a petitioning firm hired by the local Republican Party with fraudulently registering voters as Republican. Democratic registration drives have also caught the attention of law enforcement officials. The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, a national nonprofit that recruits mostly Democratic voters, is being investigated by the FBI for filing fake registrations in multiple states during the current presidential campaign. In April, eight ACORN officials in St. Louis pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards in 2006. In California, signature-gatherers are prohibited by law from misleading voters about what they are signing. "You can't lie to someone to procure their signature," said Richard L. Hasen, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles who specializes in election law. Civil rights activists recently filed a lawsuit in Arizona accusing YPM of deceiving residents to get signatures for a ballot measure that would have prohibited affirmative action by that state. The lawsuit was dropped after supporters of the measure pulled it from the ballot. In Massachusetts, former YPM worker Angela McElroy testified at a legislative hearing in 2004that she had tricked voters into signing a ballot measure to ban gay marriage. She said she told voters they were signing in favor of a measure to allow alcoholic drinks to be sold in supermarkets. YPM's Jacoby said McElroy was on loan to another signature-gathering company at the time the alleged deception took place. Jose Aguilera, a 48-year-old math teacher from Ventura whose registration was recently changed from Democrat to Republican, said he signed the child-molester petition outside an Albertsons supermarket. He said he was asked to sign a second document but not told that it would change his registration. "Somehow the guy pulled out something else and I signed it," he said. Ashcraft, the pet-clinic manager, said she knew that she could still vote in November for whichever presidential candidate she supports -- in her case, Democrat Barack Obama. "I just don't like being lied to," she said. Janett Lemaire, 54, said she told a signature-gatherer in the small Riverside County town of Desert Edge, "I've been a Democrat all my life and I want to stay that way." But the man "said this has nothing to do with changing how you are registered," Lemaire said. "Then I get a notice in the mail saying I am a Republican. . . . I was very angry." |
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I don't think ny of the blatheringThat would be any. ( Hotdog gets his revenge). Of course not, that is not my intention, I just like debating these things. |
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meatball77 |
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Biden Tired of Palin's "Politics of Division"
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(MESILLA, N.M.) - Joe Biden says he's tired of the type of politics of division he heard in Sarah Palin's comments last night, when she told a North Carolina fundraiser that she liked to visit "pro-American parts of the country." "It's disappointing, and I hope it's a slip of the tongue and she doesn't mean it, but she said it. It was reported she said that she likes to visit, quote, pro-American parts of the country," said Biden, leading into a lengthy dissection of the remarks. "Ladies and gentlemen, I, like your senator and governor, have been all over this great land. I've never been to a state, I've never been to a state that hasn't sent its sons and daughters to serve and die for this country. Right here in New Mexico right now, there are 1,400 Mexican sons and daughters -- New Mexican sons and daughters deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Thirty-six of them have already given their lives for this country." "Folks, it doesn't matter where you live, we all love this country. And I hope it gets through. We all love this country. Folks, one of the reasons why Barack and I are running is that we know how damaging the politics of division that continues to be practiced by the McCain, how damaging this policy of division has been. It's time to put this behind us." "Folks, it is not a corny thing. It's real. We are one nation, under God, indivisible. We are all patriotic. We all love our country in every part of this country. And I'm tired. I am tired, tired, tired, tired of the implications about patriotism." "Folks, that's the reason why Barack and I are running. We are absolutely, totally, thoroughly confident that we can get through these difficult times and like every generation before us be better for it." Palin responded today to questions about her remark, telling reporters, "Every area, every area across this great country where we're stopping and where also the other ticket is stopping and getting to speak at these rallies and speak with the good Americans, it's all pro-America." "I was just reinforcing the fact that there, where I was, there's good patriotic people there in these rallies, so excited about positive change and reform of government that's coming that they are so appreciative of hearing our message, hearing our plan. Not, not any one area of America is more pro-America patriotically than others," said Palin. Biden not only went after Palin this afternoon, but also had the crowd laughing at Joe Wurzelbacher, now known famously as "Joe the Plumber" after being mentioned 26 times in the final debate between John McCain and Barack Obama. "We're going to start with real meaningful tax cuts. I promise you, if you're unlike Joe the Plumber…be nice if he got a license," said Biden to cheers from the crowd. "But, Joe the Plumber -- I know you got a lot of plumbers out here making over 250,000 grand," he said to supporters. "Raise your hands, please." At that point, a young man raised his hand, which appeared to be in jest. "There's a man," said Biden. "Go borrow money from him, the guy in the green shirt. He makes more than two-fifty. He looks like he's only 18 years old…which means he earned it the hard way. He inherited it." McCain spokesperson Ben Porritt fired off an email to press members at the comments, saying "Joe the Senator continued his angry campaign today fresh from his performance attacking Joe the Plumber on national television last night." "While Barack Obama attacks small town Americans for 'clinging' to guns and religion, his running mate is busy attacking hardworking Americans who oppose the socialist tax policies of Barack Obama. If anyone is paying attention to Barack Obama's running mate they will see a serial exaggerator whose only job is to conceal Barack Obama's profound lack of experience, record, and judgment," wrote Porritt, who titled his email "Biden Irrelevance Tour Continues". Biden speaks in Henderson, Nevada tonight as he continues a weekend sweep of West Coast states, including California and Washington. http://www.cnn.com/video/...t.biden.on.patroitism.cnn |
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Voters contacted by The Times said they were tricked into switching parties while signing what they believed were petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. Subtle. They don't call them neo-cons for nothing. |
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CBRetriever |
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yep, ME, ya got me good
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Goosehead |
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Whereas Obama seems to be competent, a good orator, poised, clever etc., and therefore a good candidate for president, I think Starr is on to something. You
simply can't divorce his race from his message of 'hope' and 'change.' His potential to be the first black president really, really
enhances this message. So while Miles is correct, he beat out his competitors on his own merits, his skin colour I think has become a much bigger factor now
that he's made it this far (in a positive and mobilising sort of way).
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lilnubber |
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Beefcake wrote:Where to start . . . . 1. Obama was leading BEFORE the economy tanked. 2. Many people (including a shitload of Republicans) are voting Democratic because the Republican candidate and his VP are fucking jokes. 3. George Bush claimed a "mandate" in 2004. Your "fear" is hilarious. 4. MY fear is that McPalin's divisive campaign will take a long time for the country to recover from. |
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meatball77 |
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Bachmann Calls For McCarthyite Investigation Into Anti-American Activities Of Liberals»
Appearing on MSNBC's Hardball today, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) attacked the patriotism of Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), based on his alleged relationship to former Weather Underground member William Ayers and the values of Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. "I'm very concerned that he may have anti-American views," said Bachmann. "That's what the American people are concerned about." She then went further, suggesting that all liberal views - held by people such as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, professors, and all Americans who identify themselves as "liberals" - are "anti-American." When host Chris Matthews, stunned by her remarks, asked Bachmann how many people in Congress hold anti-American views, she responded, "You'll have to ask them." Bachmann called on the media to conduct investigations into the anti-American activities of members of Congress, similar to Sen. Joseph McCarthy's discredited House Un-American Activities Committee hearings in the 1950s. "I think people would love to see an exposé like that," she claimed. Watch it: Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) made similar comments at a fundraiser yesterday, saying that she loved to visit "pro-America" areas of the country - "small towns" where "hard working" people are "very patriotic." |
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lilnubber |
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Obama in St. Louis today. Edited to add: Sorry for the marginfuck!
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meatball77 |
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Amy Chozick reports on the presidential race from St. Louis. Amazing |
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Strange Flute |
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lilnubber wrote:That's the fundamental question of this campaign. Who would you rather go on a man-date with, Bush or Obama? Beefcake's real fear is that Obama may have a large penis and use it on him. |
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