ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!

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Strange Flute		#2321	[-]
Posts: 3616 (10/05/08 7:36 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Can we replace the words God, Lord, Messiah, et al, with 'Obama' in the bible?
CanIBreathe		#2322	[-]
Posts: 630 (10/05/08 7:42 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Taken From DKos-- McCain Didn't Think Osama Bin Laden Was A BAD Guy in 1998!!! In 1998, John McCain gave an interview to Mother Jones in September. His interview was published in the November/December 1998 issue. Here's the choice excerpt below from that damning interview: Mother Jones: You not only have had combat experience in Vietnam, but you were also a prisoner of war. When you look at terrorism right now, with people like Osama bin Laden, do you have any reservations about watching strikes like that? John McCain: You could say, Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted? Most of us have never heard of him before. And where there is a parallel with Vietnam is: What's plan B? What do we do next? We sent our troops into Vietnam to protect the bases. Lyndon Johnson said, Only to protect the bases. Next thing you know.... Well, we've declared to the terrorists that we're going to strike them wherever they live. That's fine. But what's next? That's where there might be some comparison. This 1998 interview took place in mid-September, right after the August 7 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassy, which was attributed to Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Here's more information about the bombings of the U.S. embassy, which killed over 200 people, including 12 U.S. citizens: The U.S. Embassy bombings in 1998 On August 7, 1998, at approximately 10:30 a.m. local time, two Embassies of the United States of America, located in the East African cities of Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, were attacked in coordinated truck bombings, later determined to have occurred approximately four minutes apart. In Nairobi, 213 people were killed in the blast, while 11 individuals died in the bombing at Dar es Salaam. The bombings were carried out by members and associates of Usama Bin Ladin's organization, known by the Arabic word "al-Qaeda", literally, "the base"). Interestingly enough, Senator Joe Biden knew that Osama bin Laden was definitely a bad "mother" in a Washington Post story in August 21, 1998. Told of these criticisms, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, branded them "preposterous," and noted that Osama bin Laden, suspected of bankrolling the installations that were bombed, "is one bad mother." And take a look at McCain's quote in that same story. He still didn't think the Clinton focus on Osama bin Laden was right, and kept on reiterating that view a month later in September in his interview with Mother Jones. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) stressed the importance of a strong U.S. role in foreign affairs, and criticized the administration for ignoring problems other than bin Laden, including Iraq dragging its feet on arms inspections, "North Korea building nuclear weapons," a stalled Mideast peace process, and "thousands of people being ethnically cleansed in Kosovo. "This administration for the last seven months has neglected compelling national security threats besides this," said McCain, a member of the Armed Services Committee. "I cannot say that they've been neglected because of Monica Lewinsky, but I can say unequivocally that they have been neglected." It's a very interesting progression of McCain's views on Osama bin Laden, from first thinking he wasn't really a bad guy, that Clinton was wrong to focus on him, and now to his oft-claimed statement about "following Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell" except for the border of Pakistan where McCain refuses to use military force to go after Osama bin Laden. One thing you can say about John McCain---he's consistently shown the WRONG judgement time and time again on the issues of great national importance to us. Can we afford another four years of the same foreign policy mistakes and wrong-headedness? We can't. McCain's response to this article: Last Edited By: CanIBreathe 10/05/08 7:48 PM. Edited 1 times.
CadyH.realitysucks		#2323	[-]
Posts: 200 (10/05/08 7:47 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite
Fucking Sucks		#2324	[-]
Posts: 670 (10/05/08 8:02 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CanIBreathe wrote:
BackBayBerries		#2325	[-]
Posts: 213 (10/05/08 8:03 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	memyselfandi wrote: candi7of9 wrote: memyselfandi wrote: But Obama isn't developing his tax policy based on skin color. It's based on income. If you want to argue this is class warfare and oppose it on those grounds, fine, but if you want to argue his tax policy amounts to RACISM, then you're a fucking idiot. Of course OT already knows that. I realize that Obama did not set out in mind to tax white people more and give black people more benefits--that was just a guarenteed side-effect of increasing the tax burden of the wealthy. I don't think Obama's tax policy is racist. I just like to laugh at the white people who support it. You are a white person who doesn't make $250,000 a year, correct? Why is it FUNNY to you that other white people who make less than $250,000 a year (like me) might vote in my own economic self-interest and support a tax plan that does not raise my taxes but does increase taxes on people who make more than $250,000. Do rich white people share money with you solely based on your shared skin color? Because they don't with me. People who can pay more in this country SHOULD pay more in taxes for having the opportunity to get rich in this country while the poor and middle class people in this country make up the majority of our military that fight in the wars that protect them and labor in the factories and office parks and buy the products that make them rich. The least these rich people can do is pay more in taxes so that on top of everything else the poor and middle class in this country are not being saddled with more and more government debt. I am so fucking sick of this argument. Those of us making over $250k are ALREADY PAYING ALOT FUCKING MORE THAN THE VAST MAJORITY. AND YOU FUCKS WANT MORE STILL? So the roughly 30% of our salaries that currently go to the fucking federal goverment isn't enough? Well, we also pay considerable state taxes, not to mention higher real estate taxes to the localities b/c we have the nerve to be able to afford a more expensive house than the masses. Oh, and throw in maxed out social security taxes, medicare, etc. I worked my ass off to succeed. I put myself through college by working practically full time, and taking out loans, then working like an animal after college, 70, 80 hours a week. I'm not a brain surgeon or a fucking mensa member, just someone with half a brain and a good work ethic. I am so tired of the bullshit from the masses who are too fucking lazy to do what it takes. Fuck you. Go make your own money.
DelosWorld		#2326	[-]
Posts: 16 (10/05/08 8:12 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have enough saved that I could take a nice 4 or 8 year sabbatical from work if Obama wins. Maybe go to school or something during that time. It's a lot cheaper than moving to France and superior to moving to Canookian land. And with any luck Obama would pay me to not be a productive citizen and not pay $30,000+ per year in taxes. SOunds like a good plan to me.
nomii		#2327	[-]
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AllMenAreIslands		#2328	[-]
Posts: 24625 (10/05/08 8:22 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Strange Flute wrote: Can we replace the words God, Lord, Messiah, et al, with 'Obama' in the bible? I don't see why not.
thriving sobi		#2329	[-]
Posts: 532 (10/05/08 8:24 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I will play the race card. yall juust voting for Palin cause she's black.
AllMenAreIslands		#2330	[-]
Posts: 24626 (10/05/08 8:25 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BackBayBerries wrote: memyselfandi wrote: candi7of9 wrote: memyselfandi wrote: But Obama isn't developing his tax policy based on skin color. It's based on income. If you want to argue this is class warfare and oppose it on those grounds, fine, but if you want to argue his tax policy amounts to RACISM, then you're a fucking idiot. Of course OT already knows that. I realize that Obama did not set out in mind to tax white people more and give black people more benefits--that was just a guarenteed side-effect of increasing the tax burden of the wealthy. I don't think Obama's tax policy is racist. I just like to laugh at the white people who support it. You are a white person who doesn't make $250,000 a year, correct? Why is it FUNNY to you that other white people who make less than $250,000 a year (like me) might vote in my own economic self-interest and support a tax plan that does not raise my taxes but does increase taxes on people who make more than $250,000. Do rich white people share money with you solely based on your shared skin color? Because they don't with me. People who can pay more in this country SHOULD pay more in taxes for having the opportunity to get rich in this country while the poor and middle class people in this country make up the majority of our military that fight in the wars that protect them and labor in the factories and office parks and buy the products that make them rich. The least these rich people can do is pay more in taxes so that on top of everything else the poor and middle class in this country are not being saddled with more and more government debt. I am so fucking sick of this argument. Those of us making over $250k are ALREADY PAYING ALOT FUCKING MORE THAN THE VAST MAJORITY. AND YOU FUCKS WANT MORE STILL? So the roughly 30% of our salaries that currently go to the fucking federal goverment isn't enough? Well, we also pay considerable state taxes, not to mention higher real estate taxes to the localities b/c we have the nerve to be able to afford a more expensive house than the masses. Oh, and throw in maxed out social security taxes, medicare, etc. I worked my ass off to succeed. I put myself through college by working practically full time, and taking out loans, then working like an animal after college, 70, 80 hours a week. I'm not a brain surgeon or a fucking mensa member, just someone with half a brain and a good work ethic. I am so tired of the bullshit from the masses who are too fucking lazy to do what it takes. Fuck you. Go make your own money. X
Pahrump Mania		#2331	[-]
Posts: 1937 (10/05/08 8:25 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Most of the same people who did well under Bush and Clinton will do well under Obama. The unwashed losers who support Obama will be unwashed losers 4 years from now (I'm not saying all Obama backer are losers, but the ones that are now will still be losers in 2012 if Obama is elected). The top earners and acheivers didn't stop under Clinton or even Carter, they won't now. They will just adjust their gameplan a little. Now taking the cap off of the earnings people can have before they stop paying social security will be something that will hurt top earners, but there will be ways around it. Fuck, I don't think it'll even pass a Democratic Congress to begin with, and if it does pass the Dems will get slaughtered in the 2010 congressional races.
Strange Flute		#2332	[-]
Posts: 3617 (10/05/08 8:34 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BackBayBerries wrote: I'm not a brain surgeon or a fucking mensa member, just someone with half a brain and a good work ethic. I suggest you're overpaid and probably don't work as hard as migrant and sweatshop workers making $2 a day.
Pahrump Mania		#2333	[-]
Posts: 1938 (10/05/08 8:39 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Strange Flute wrote: BackBayBerries wrote: I'm not a brain surgeon or a fucking mensa member, just someone with half a brain and a good work ethic. I suggest you're overpaid and probably don't work as hard as migrant and sweatshop workers making $2 a day. People still make $2 a day in the US?
Strange Flute		#2334	[-]
Posts: 3618 (10/05/08 8:50 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Probably not, but most illegal workers are around poverty level incomes. Supposedly we don't have sweatshops in the US since we don't manufacture anything. But if you look at the work we outsource. Here's the average salary of an Indian call-center worker in 2007: Last Edited By: Strange Flute 10/05/08 8:55 PM. Edited 1 times.
thriving sobi		#2335	[-]
Posts: 533 (10/05/08 8:56 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	FYI- I have always liked McCain except for two things: 1) He crawled so far up Bush Jr.s ass that his breath smells like shit. 2) He selected a religious crazy nut for his VP. Otherwise, I would be voting for him. Hell, I would have campained for him.
BackBayBerries		#2336	[-]
Posts: 214 (10/05/08 9:02 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Strange Flute wrote: BackBayBerries wrote: I'm not a brain surgeon or a fucking mensa member, just someone with half a brain and a good work ethic. I suggest you're overpaid and probably don't work as hard as migrant and sweatshop workers making $2 a day. And I'd suggest you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I worked more than my share of 15 hour days. And, you missed the most important part of my post: Fuck you. Go make your own money.
BackBayBerries		#2337	[-]
Posts: 215 (10/05/08 9:04 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Strange Flute wrote: Probably not, but most illegal workers are around poverty level incomes. Supposedly we don't have sweatshops in the US since we don't manufacture anything. But if you look at the work we outsource. Here's the average salary of an Indian call-center worker in 2007: Maybe you'd like another 10% of my salary for the poor Indian call center workers?
Pahrump Mania		#2338	[-]
Posts: 1940 (10/05/08 9:08 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Strange Flute wrote: Probably not, but most illegal workers are around poverty level incomes. Supposedly we don't have sweatshops in the US since we don't manufacture anything. But if you look at the work we outsource. Here's the average salary of an Indian call-center worker in 2007: Many people work harder than someone who mans a phone.
meatball77		#2339	[-]
Posts: 9210 (10/05/08 9:12 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	See, I don't want to be like India. I want to live in a country where everyone can afford to eat, have a roof over their head, go to the Dr when they're sick and where kids are able to be educated so they can rise out of poverty.
Hotlantan		#2340	[-]
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ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!