ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!

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CanIBreathe		#2061	[-]
Posts: 617 (10/04/08 11:49 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cause I don't like---living in your spotlight.
finishthemoff		#2062	[-]
Posts: 10738 (10/04/08 11:51 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: memyselfandi wrote: TobaccoRhoda wrote: at the lack of response for the Kurtz article. What response am I supposed to have? I agree with Ayers that the criminal justice system in this country is a mess. I give him credit for trying to do something about reforming the woeful Chicago public school system. I laugh at conservatives who support things like school vouchers and complain about teachers unions protecting bad teachers at the expense of our children getting their panties in a wad over the "radical" work of Ayers in terms of Chicago school reform when he only got involved in this effort because he was pissed off about a Chicago teachers strike and Mayor Richard M. Daley's total control over the Chicago schools and was trying to come up with a new system to counter Daley and the Chicago Teachers Union's power, although the effort has been ultimately unsuccessful. Do I think the work Ayers has done in education or academia forgives all of his self-indulgent, hateful and violent actions and words against this country? No. As a serious liberal, I hate the stupid hippie militant leftists of the Baby Boomer generation all the more because it's because of them and their childishness and excesses and incompetence that liberalism has been as discredited and unpopular as it's been for the last 40 years... at least until now when we're on the brink of another Great Depression. But do I think Ayers' activities as a Weatherman have anything really to do with Barack Obama's run for presidency now? No. His efforts on reforming education and his ties in that to Obama are fair game, but not the stupid bombing shit. For a similar McCain example I look at his connection to Phil Gramm. I don't think Phil Gramm's past a porn producer in the 70s has anything to do with McCain's run for presidency now, but their work together on economics -- absolutely. That is a really good response, Memy. I see your point and actually can't see anything wrong with it. Well, what precisely did Ayers seek to get changed about the system? I don't know enough to make a decision based on it, but his name rang a tune regarding to my old friend from college. He was a tragic, tragic character. Very, very tragic.
AllMenAreIslands		#2063	[-]
Posts: 24590 (10/04/08 11:55 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ZombieLinda wrote: Some Fox News pinheads were positively giddy over the NY Times Ayers article this morning. Then they actually read it and changed their tune. As for the counterarticle, I think most people just see the wall o' text and their eyes glaze over, but we'll be hearing about it a lot for the next month. The new NOBAMA tone of the disastrous McCain campaign was set up today, but who knows if it can work at this point. Most people seem to have their minds made up by now, but most people are also uninformed. The McCain campaign has been so pathetic and Dole-ish that they could probably release a picture of Obama having sex with a gay terrorist abortion doctor and the polls would still remain stagnant. People always see what they want to see and nothing else. Everyone knows Congress is a mess, yet people like Frank get a free pass at sitting in there for a lifetime and playing a major role in screwing over the entire population just because hardly anyone outside of their adoring constituency even knows they exist. It's more convenient to blame whoever the president is for everything. I'm not even close to being a Bush supporter, but that shit is retarded. I guess this would get more attention if it wasn't an election season, which can't end soon enough. I think people have been taught to sneer at reason and knowledge, to prefer guessing, superstition and faith. There are people alive today who believe completely & totally that the planet is only 6000 years old, and that God created it in 6 days. Anything that contradicts the Bible is wrong. I'm thinking people like that are some kind of throwback to a more primitive version of our species. They're not proper members of homo sapiens but some kind of dumb half-step between Neanderthals, Cro-magnons and us.
TobaccoRhoda		#2064	[-]
Posts: 27015 (10/04/08 11:57 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The point is, and I hate it that I have to point this out, is that there is no amount of public work (and I dispute his agenda) that will excuse you if you still insist your are unrepentant and the crimes you committed weren't abominable. Does this mean, Obama endorses domestic terrorism as a means of political change? No. It just points out that in the atmosphere of Chicago politics, radical associations aren't considered outre`. And if you have enough radical associations, one might conclude you are not only tolerant of them, but just might tend to entertain some notions of your own. If your pastor, your mentors, your political associations are with those people, you're going to get tarred with that brush. Oh, and at the idea of porn and terrorism being equatable.
bob2559		#2065	[-]
Posts: 5425 (10/05/08 12:02 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	HaroldBalzaccio wrote: memyselfandi wrote: But do I think Ayers' activities as a Weatherman have anything really to do with Barack Obama's run for presidency now? No. His efforts on reforming education and his ties in that to Obama are fair game, but not the stupid bombing shit. For a similar McCain example I look at his connection to Phil Gramm. I don't think Phil Gramm's past a porn producer in the 70s has anything to do with McCain's run for presidency now, but their work together on economics -- absolutely. Where were you when all the other "liberals" were bashing Palin's kids and ranting about her religious influences? She was happily joining in and loving it. You see it's all relative, note how Phil Gramm being a minor investor in a couple of porn flicks equates to him being a producer in her mind. And a porn producer is just as bad as someone who bombs and attempts to bomb the military personnel and government buildings. It's all relative.
candi7of9		#2066	[-]
Posts: 958 (10/05/08 12:03 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	When will the minorities tire of appointing douchetard carpetbaggers as their annointed leaders? Obama, Ayers, and Wright. All three basically white people milking black people for all they're worth. "Ignore that I'm part white--whitey's bad! Ignore that I'm wealthy--wealthy people are bad! Ignore that I've benefitted from being an American--America is bad!" The only thing more funny is watching the white Obama supporters. While he is a carpetbagger, I do think he has something to offer blacks. Nothing for the white people, but don't bother trying to explain to them that somebody who is a 20 year member of a church too radical for Oprah is not concerned with white folks.
HaroldBalzaccio		#2067	[-]
Posts: 6344 (10/05/08 12:05 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Let's try to avoid the discussion about double standards. That way we can be just like the Democrats.
Strange Flute		#2068	[-]
Posts: 3606 (10/05/08 12:06 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: I'm thinking people like that are some kind of throwback to a more primitive version of our species. They're not proper members of homo sapiens but some kind of dumb half-step between Neanderthals, Cro-magnons and us. It's not a throw-back but a stand-still or even, devolution. Because some people (conservatives) are afraid of CHANGE. It's been shown by psychological studies of conservatives that they don't like new things or changes, and tend to be xenophobic and prefer militaristic solutions to problems. I'll find the study if anyone's interested.
HaroldBalzaccio		#2069	[-]
Posts: 6345 (10/05/08 12:08 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Did you honestly think anybody would be interested when you typed that offer? Just to make you dance, post a fucking link.
memyselfandi		#2070	[-]
Posts: 16088 (10/05/08 12:08 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	HaroldBalzaccio wrote: memyselfandi wrote: But do I think Ayers' activities as a Weatherman have anything really to do with Barack Obama's run for presidency now? No. His efforts on reforming education and his ties in that to Obama are fair game, but not the stupid bombing shit. For a similar McCain example I look at his connection to Phil Gramm. I don't think Phil Gramm's past a porn producer in the 70s has anything to do with McCain's run for presidency now, but their work together on economics -- absolutely. Where were you when all the other "liberals" were bashing Palin's kids and ranting about her religious influences? Just out of curiosity, what does that have to do with anything I just posted? But anyway, to answer your question, sure I've seen liberals make fun of Palin's kids and I myself have expressed MAJOR concerns about her religious influences given I think the Wasilla church she attends is a creepy end of days cult that is much much more frightening to me as a Methodist than Rev. Wright's sermons at Trinity bother me as a white American. I don't think I'm any less a "liberal" because I speak my mind or that I support others here saying things that might be offensive to you or anyone else. I mean this is OT. I expect to read posts that attempt to offend me (like merkyl's).
TobaccoRhoda		#2071	[-]
Posts: 27016 (10/05/08 12:12 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What's interesting to me is that even though this Kurtz guy was able to discover the facts in his article, the NYTimes was not. One might think they weren't unbiased.
AllMenAreIslands		#2072	[-]
Posts: 24593 (10/05/08 12:14 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Strange Flute wrote: AllMenAreIslands wrote: I'm thinking people like that are some kind of throwback to a more primitive version of our species. They're not proper members of homo sapiens but some kind of dumb half-step between Neanderthals, Cro-magnons and us. It's not a throw-back but a stand-still or even, devolution. Because some people (conservatives) are afraid of CHANGE. It's been shown by psychological studies of conservatives that they don't like new things or changes, and tend to be xenophobic and prefer militaristic solutions to problems. I'll find the study if anyone's interested. How likely is it that someone who supports expansion of the welfare state concept would be a Republican/Conservative, SF? They also come across as being afraid of change.
HaroldBalzaccio		#2073	[-]
Posts: 6346 (10/05/08 12:15 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	memyselfandi wrote: HaroldBalzaccio wrote: memyselfandi wrote: But do I think Ayers' activities as a Weatherman have anything really to do with Barack Obama's run for presidency now? No. His efforts on reforming education and his ties in that to Obama are fair game, but not the stupid bombing shit. For a similar McCain example I look at his connection to Phil Gramm. I don't think Phil Gramm's past a porn producer in the 70s has anything to do with McCain's run for presidency now, but their work together on economics -- absolutely. Where were you when all the other "liberals" were bashing Palin's kids and ranting about her religious influences? Just out of curiosity, what does that have to do with anything I just posted? But anyway, to answer your question, sure I've seen liberals make fun of Palin's kids and I myself have expressed MAJOR concerns about her religious influences given I think the Wasilla church she attends is a creepy end of days cult that is much much more frightening to me as a Methodist than Rev. Wright's sermons at Trinity bother me as a white American. You don't think it's important that Obama has ties to terrorists, religious extremists, and outright criminals, yet you think Palin's kids are fair game. The concept of double standards eludes you. You actively make an ass of yourself by perpetuating the idea that all liberals are naive and uninformed. You have no capacity to see anything other than your own warped fangirly point of view. Please just stop. It's not even funny anymore.
EmmaPeel		#2074	[-]
Posts: 2185 (10/05/08 12:16 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So why aren't the Republicans running with the Ayers connection? Why won't McCain take the gloves off? McCain claims he's getting tough in the next debate. I'd love to see it.
finishthemoff		#2075	[-]
Posts: 10740 (10/05/08 12:16 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	HaroldBalzaccio wrote: memyselfandi wrote: HaroldBalzaccio wrote: memyselfandi wrote: But do I think Ayers' activities as a Weatherman have anything really to do with Barack Obama's run for presidency now? No. His efforts on reforming education and his ties in that to Obama are fair game, but not the stupid bombing shit. For a similar McCain example I look at his connection to Phil Gramm. I don't think Phil Gramm's past a porn producer in the 70s has anything to do with McCain's run for presidency now, but their work together on economics -- absolutely. Where were you when all the other "liberals" were bashing Palin's kids and ranting about her religious influences? Just out of curiosity, what does that have to do with anything I just posted? But anyway, to answer your question, sure I've seen liberals make fun of Palin's kids and I myself have expressed MAJOR concerns about her religious influences given I think the Wasilla church she attends is a creepy end of days cult that is much much more frightening to me as a Methodist than Rev. Wright's sermons at Trinity bother me as a white American. You don't think it's important that Obama has ties to terrorists, religious extremists, and outright criminals, yet you think Palin's kids are fair game. The concept of double standards eludes you. You actively make an ass of yourself by perpetuating the idea that all liberals are naive and uninformed. You have no capacity to see anything other than your own warped fangirly point of view. Please just stop. It's not even funny anymore. Amen.
Fucking Sucks		#2076	[-]
Posts: 653 (10/05/08 12:16 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have ties to elderly people. They are my neighbors and do not like my Megadeth albums.
AllMenAreIslands		#2077	[-]
Posts: 24594 (10/05/08 12:18 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	HaroldBalzaccio wrote: You don't think it's important that Obama has ties to terrorists, religious extremists, and outright criminals.... Hmm. Just like George Bush...
EmmaPeel		#2078	[-]
Posts: 2186 (10/05/08 12:19 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Our 20 year old waiter today insisted that Sarah Palin is opposed to ALL methods of birth control. Of course that's nuts. Exasperating.
finishthemoff		#2079	[-]
Posts: 10741 (10/05/08 12:20 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: HaroldBalzaccio wrote: You don't think it's important that Obama has ties to terrorists, religious extremists, and outright criminals.... Hmm. Just like George Bush... As in unacceptable double-standard to acceptable double-standard? How does George Bush has ties to terrorists? Do tell............. Is Christianities considered to be worse or equal to the terms of Muslims in sheer religious extremists?
AllMenAreIslands		#2080	[-]
Posts: 24595 (10/05/08 12:21 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	George Bush IS a fucking terrorist.

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ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!