So I know good vs. evil blah blah but it doesn't seem to be as simple as that. I see both on both tribes
Am I supposed to like these people? There may be a few gems but overall ..........
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I *hope* Sun is around but while we wait - discuss the story arcs in this thread (I won't pretend to have the zing that Sun does)
So I know good vs. evil blah blah but it doesn't seem to be as simple as that. I see both on both tribes Am I supposed to like these people? There may be a few gems but overall .......... |
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Nothing much on Barbie, Paloma and Sugar. BUT Paloma looks to get man-handled in the promo challenge. Jeff had some less than stellar things to say about
her being overwhelmed. I do think Sugar will have a part in this show. She seems close to Ace and probably her fate rests with him. Barbie is meat soon, as is
Paloma. Ace is circa merge, and should not sniff the end.
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Not only that but he does NOTHING in camp Really. Didn't Randy have the forethought to come up with hooks for the fishing? |
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Yup got to give him that one.
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craig |
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The Good vs Evil theme didn't show up at all last night.
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I sense that this season is going to go the way of the tribes in Palau, which is to say complete annihilation. Maybe if there's a timely switch or a lucky
IC, Kota might get to dump one or two of the lowest on the totem pole and two or three members of Fang might get to be jurors, but I don't see that as
likely. Oh, a man clearly wins this, probably a man on Kota, as none of the women on Kota got an edit that's even remotely memorable and I can't
fathom Crystal or Susie still being around in the endgame.
Kota: Marcus: May I just say, I am glad that Survivor does not air on ABC, because otherwise we'd have to deal with insufferable promos where Marcus gets called Dr. McDreamy, probably voiced over by a fawning Charlie. That being said, well played. I think he's in a good position in his alliance: he'll be able to play the Corinne/Jacque pair against Charlie, and I do not worry about them having to attend too many tribal councils. Charlie: Dude. STOP scribbling Marcus's name all over your social studies notes circled in hearts like you're a seventh grade girl. I think he has instincts for the game and can play well but he's going to have to not be mesmerized by Marcus. Ace: That opening intro... so arrogant, but so confident... gotta say, it reminded me SO MUCH of the edit that Richard Hatch got that it gave me pause. It seems unlikely that he'd win it all, but just that story arc makes me wonder if maybe it isn't possible. Bob: The kind of guy you love to have around camp and then blindside the hell out of right after the merge because you're toast against him in the final. Corinne and Jacque: I think they're in the right alliance and are making the right moves. Other Women on Kota: Yeah, I got nothing. Actually, I had to look up what the name of the one that wasn't Sugar or Paloma was. (Kelly, apparently.) Tribe of the Damned: Although I feel that they're getting a better handle on the camp life aspect of the game, I also feel that this tribe is too paranoid and too wanting to maintain the status quo for any functional alliances to occur. They're all sticking together, voting as one, and not sticking their necks out...not out of unity so much as I feel that nobody wants to draw attention to themselves. I see this tribe being run into the ground. No alliance from this tribe will win; however, one individual player might be able to slip through the cracks and infiltrate in a Vecepia or Danni-like fashion. Randy: I like his completely pragmatic and cynical view of the game. I do think that he's right in his assessment this is a tribe full of bickering individuals that will not function together as an alliance, so the better odds lie with trying to lay low until a swap or the merge and trying to infiltrate an alliance on the other tribe. GC: I don't think he was wrong in thinking that a leader was being set up as a scapegoat for the tribe's failures.... sort of like being named captain of the Titanic. That being said, as an individual player, he seems to be one of the more useful and functional members. Dan: Yeah, I think he'd better actually find that idol, because this tribe seems dumb enough to vote him out of paranoia rather than keeping strength. Ken: I think that on paper, he could be a smart and strategic player. Problem is, I see him as low on the social totem pole, and this tribe appears to be hemorrhaging. If he can get the right alliance together, he could do well, but I'm not convinced that will happen. Crystal: I think she's one of the smartest and strongest players. I actually think she has a better chance of being a silent leader of this group if she so chooses. Matty and Susie: Not much to say. Gillian: So here's the problem. I think that she's to blame for a poor decision, namely to try and pick a tribe that she would fit better with SOCIALLY than one that would be able to win a challenge. I know she didn't want to be the expendable token over-50 stuck on a tribe of twenty-somethings, but the fact that she chose Susie (and Susie picked Crystal) could have been even more disastrous if Ace hadn't picked Sugar... incredibly, Kota could have been even more stacked strengthwise than it already is. Michelle: Yeah, she was on the wrong tribe.
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The Olympian pickiing Sandra 2.0 was the dumbest move in any Survivor pick-em, EVER.
She could have had Marcus, and Susie most likely would have been on Fang anyway as the last pick because nobody else would pick her. |
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Posts: 11548 (09/26/08 12:05 PM) Registered user |
I posted this in the PBP thread:
Fang is such a mess. If they had booted Dan, they would have been fucked for sure. The previews definitely make it seem like there are going to be combined Reward/Immunity challenges for the next episode (perhaps it will continue until the merge?). It's odd that we're seeing a lot more of Fang but have no concept of alliances (kind of like Zhan Hu or Ulong), whereas we already sort of know how things are getting divided on Kota (like Fei Long or Koror). If Fang loses again: -Dan seems on the outs, socially. -Susie is weaker. -GC/Randy get into it, so one of them could be in trouble. If Kota loses: -Ace could be in trouble, they think he's annoying. -Paloma doesn't seem to fit in as well. It will be interesting to see who Jacquie, Charlie, Corinne and Marcus choose to bring in. |
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I found interesting Randy just happened to have frames for his glasses that could be shaped into fish hooks. Pre-game planning?
The Marcus 4 being so obvious at the start, is there trouble ahead? Bob is now the most valuable member of Kota. Why is GC wearing his pants under his butt, and as the preview shows arguing with Randy who is now the provider for Fang? Providers stay, arguers go. Randy may now be the leader and hold the power in Fang. |
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As far as I'm concerned, a tribe that has a dominating streak for weeks to come would never have a happy love tribe "We can't believe we're
winning so much" at the end of the second episode, much less have a player actually shown saying, "We're never going to lose."
Fang is divided and screwed up, but the crap thrown at them is OTT for this early on. I think they almost have to win some upcoming challenges, and the focus will be on Kota's struggles as they face adversity. |
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James Barber wrote: I completely agree with your assessment. The editors wanted the general public to think that it will be a lopsided romp to the win for Kota but next week shows Fang in the driver's seat, so that blows that out of the water. |
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Chuay Ghan looked pretty bad for a while. We'll see if this is a one week hiatus or misdirection, but Fang looks very dysfunctional. Without a true leader
I can't see them going far. Randy could be that leader, Matty might be ok, as is they are headless.
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Survivor is kind of in a lock these days. What is obvious is the truth.
While the same tribe lost all of the challenges, there was explicit focus on alliances from the other tribe. That right there indicates, without dispute, that the winner comes from the winning team. The losing tribe was unfocused. The only players with some meat from the yellow team are Crystal and GC. Meanwhile... At the red team, Marcus and Charlie are stealing most of the screen time with Corinne, Bob, and Ace as co-stars. Unlike his twin, Todd, Charlie is pretty much superficial right now. His only story is how much he likes (and therefore will probably be played by) Marcus. Ace comes across as a smart Jean-Robert-the one they want to get rid of but will wait to do so. The whole idea that Marcus, Charlie, and Corinne would bring up Jacquie but they don't show her is the same BAD mistake that the editors do every single season. Bring in an important alliance member without showing them. You're automatically taking that person out of the running. The season will focus on Marcus, Charlie, and Corinne. If Bob makes it to the merge, he will be a focus as well and he's the one we will ALL want to win but nobody will let win (Yau Man, Rupert, Cirie, etc). Seems to be a cookie cutter season with the main alliance dominating. With no strategic structure to the losing team, I cannot see any of them realistically making it. Maybe Crystal and Matty will make it into the merge and maybe the "Onion Alliance" will take a couple of them further down the road for good measure and scrap people like Ace before them, but there is no other longevity. I will already go out on a limb and predict the final 2 as being Marcus and Corinne. I think they will go back to a final 2 format. |
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I can see Matty as the leader. He manages to somehow be even more monotonous and lacking in personality than Marcus, so he can say stuff and the others on the
team won't be ruffled. Then the show can play up a Marcus v Matty arc down the line if they both last.
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I would have said "ego-less" rather than monotonous, but yeah, I think he could pull that group together. I get the impression he is pretty accurate
in his assessment of his strengths, and doesn't have any ego/pecking order need to overstate the things he isn't good at. But he does seem to still be
aiming for group success, as opposed to Randy's strategy of just keeping his own head down (while stirring up dissension, presumably), and waiting for the
merge.
I don't think a story has to have a complicated plot to be entertaining. It's ok if they show us the main characters at the beginning. |
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They're obviously not trying to hide anything this season. Of all the people they could have chosen to spotlight in the first promo (the Olympic gold
medalist, the video game champion, the lovable old guy, etc.) they pick the fairly nondescript alpha male (Marcus) to be the only contestant shown in the first
previews for the season.
I think this is another Earl situation, with Marcus beating his F2 opponent (Jacquie? Corrine?) by a possible 7-0 vote. |
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The past few seasons have shown the winner of those seasons (Earl, Todd, Parvati) as the only contestant to rationally map out and explain their overall game
plan and approach to the viewers by way of confessionals. Marcus is the only contestant doing that so far so if the same editing pattern holds he should win.
There is an interesting Insider clip where Corinne says that she and Charlie are there mainly for the money while Marcus and Jacquie are there mainly for the experience. I would expect that Corinne and some other players may want to take Marcus out at some point. The problem therein is that Marcus has the potential to be both Yul and Ozzy rolled into one. He is a Harvard graduate and he appears to be a cool, rational thinker like Yul. He is in good enough physical shape to be unbeatable in the Immunity challenges like Ozzy in Cook Islands. I will be very surprised if Marcus does not win. |
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Posts: 11561 (09/27/08 12:14 PM) Registered user |
Yeah, Marcus seems like the prototype, but I'm not jumping to conclusions. Remember Guatemala? Remember Marquesas? There are always exceptions. It's
like the MESS motto "may we always be a little wrong", don't jump to conclusions yet.
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MarcusFan22 wrote:Marcus was also a bachelor for one of the magazines, so he wasn't just an unknown alpha male. He seems to set people into some sort of tizzy, so I think that's one of the reasons he gets so much attention. I'm still not sure if he'll win or not, he has a very good chance, but until they start showing more of his game and personality and less of him as a caricature of the stud player who is loved by all, I'll probably see him as a distraction.
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so far my favorite is...
the maine-iac! but then again i am a sucker for the old farts. he's great though and i hope he stays for the long haul. it would be great to see the old boy scout who has not only smarts but also survival skills make it as long as ole rudy did! but, the social game could get the better of him, anyone who knows true maine-iac's...they are a breed apart! as for the lawyer dude... boy oh boy he sure doesn't ahve much common sense. he may have book smarts and got through law school and all but...life skills he just doesn't have! I am glad he taking time off to find himself because he just doesn't seem schrewed enough to be a courtroom lawyer! They all assumed he would find the hii, but he never got across the lake |
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I LUV TIJUANA wrote: The difference is that no contestant in Guatemala had the prototype winner's edit. Except for Hatch and Brian, the seasons before Fiji did not employ the prototype for a winning edit. It woud be nice if they would go back to making it more wide open. If we see Marcus getting to be arrogant, smug, dismissive or cocky, that would be a cue to someone else winning. |
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