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NotAnAnderson |
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ha, like I'm going to let that gorgeous threadkill just sit there.
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Gregoire |
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I am not personally for abortion as an option but it's ridiculous to hinder it for somebody who feels they have no other choice.
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Shagnanigans |
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Abortions for some- miniature American flags for others!
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NotAnAnderson |
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See, I have to disagree with that line of logic. Why wouldn't anyone have the choice to carry a child to term and put it up for abortion? Hell, with the
money the Christian right is throwing at girls to convince them to keep the kids it's probably a lot of people's sure ticket to 9 months of 3 square
meals. It's once you have the kid that the sanctimonious fucks don't give a shit about you or help.
I'd prefer sticking to the my body, my choice argument. It's cleaner than trying to ferret out motives. That said, it would be really nice if all of the bible-thumping idjits who preach abstinence (like our next veep for example) realized that their kids are whores and concentrated on eliminating the need for abortions by advocating education about birth control. |
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Shagnanigans |
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Why wouldn't anyone have the choice to carry a child to term and put it up for abortion?heh I totally want to have your abortion right now. |
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Sloansalad |
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I'll say it again- bring back the "I catch you with my daughter I break your face" aspect of fatherhood and all this whorishness will come to an
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Remember what Uncle Buck did to Bug? Good times. |
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meatball77 |
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NotAnAnderson wrote: Can I have an Amen! The goal should be for no one to have to face the decision of an unwanted pregnancy. We need to have easily accessible (free) birth control and we need to educate our teens on how to use it. Because everyone is going to have sex at some point and even if you're married you should be using protection if you don't have the ability to care for a child mentally and financially and that having a baby will not get a guy to commit. We have thirty year old's who think that the pull out method is effective birth control. |
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Sloansalad |
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well by the time you are 30 the pullout method is somewhat more effective
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finishthemoff |
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Good to see you again, NAA. I miss seeing you around.
I always have a mixed feeling about abortion issues because I was literally the only one in the class who supported the women's rights to choose, especially when one student terrified me with the concept that it is women's duty to suffer (and duty) to give birth even if it is a product of rape, a risk of death and etc, which made me in favor of women's rights to abortions. However, things changed given other society's more liberal approachs to abortions, so in a hindsight, it became the issue of accountability and acknowledgment that abortion is the worst shortcut to take unless notice otherwise. It is not about Christian (or other religious/cultural values), but the matter of accepting and even embracing mistakes to blessing. I will say this now that a family can survive without a nation, but a nation will never survive without family. |
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finishthemoff |
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Good to see you again, NAA. I miss seeing you around.
I always have a mixed feeling about abortion issues because I was literally the only one in the class (high school) who supported the women's rights to choose, especially when one male student terrified me with the concept that it is women's duty to suffer (and moral obligation) to give birth even if it is a product of rape, a risk of death and etc, which made me in favor of women's rights to abortions. However, my views changed when I went to college. People freely used abortions as "Get Out of Jail Free" card far too often. I personhally know one guy deliberately dumped his then-girlfriend and send a shipment of money to "force" her to have an abortion against her wishes. He was never there to go through painful and emotional-stricken process even though he comes from affluent family and can support an unborn child. However, he choose to abort his (and then-girlfriend's) first child. However, things changed given other society's more liberal approachs to abortions, so in a hindsight, it became the issue of accountability and acknowledgment that abortion is the worst shortcut to take unless notice otherwise. It is not about Christian (or other religious/cultural values), but the matter of accepting and even embracing mistakes to blessing. I will say this now that a family can survive without a nation, but a nation will never survive without family. People who embrace abortion too readily scared me. I have yet meet a happily married person who came from large family who readily supports abortion. I would not have been the only child. |
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2ManyAndersons |
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I might have said this before, but hard telling, I have trouble keeping my shit straight.
What would be the lesser of two evils, so to say: aborting the child or giving birth to it and killing it afterword? (IE dumpster babies) Another thing, the father should have a say on the matter. If you ain't the dad shut the fuck up and mind your own business. Unless you want to adopt the kid. |
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Axle the Bulldog |
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Personally, I'm pro-life. I could never abort my own baby, even as an embryo. But I would never, ever tell another women what to do regarding this decision
which is why I support the actions of pro-choice affiliations and want it to be forever legal to do an abortion. There are so many different circumstances and
so many different women. No one should be making the decision for them except them.
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hatebrigade |
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For every woman who cannot have an abortion in the US, I will have 5.
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SonOfAbraxas |
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I'm SO glad I'm gay.
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TobaccoRhoda |
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My physician and I get into freewheeling discussions every time I go see him. He tells me that there are only about 200 abortion doctors in this country. I
asked him why that was, since it seems like it would be a lucrative field, what with 45 million abortions performed since Roe v Wade.
He said because doctors know that the science and ethics of it and most refuse to do it. I gave him my standard sanctimonious "I wouldn't do it, but I can't support keeping others from making the choice, because we can't legislate morality". He said, we legislate it all the time, that's why murder is against the law. My doctor is a hard core mofo and I lerv him. |
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no estoy loca |
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I am completely pro-choice, but I'm able to wrap my mind around the anti-choice position...most of the time. But I've never understood why most
anti-choice people are willing to make exceptions for cases of rape and incest. If you're going to assert that life begins at conception, is allowing
abortion for rape/incest not a matter of killing a baby because of something its father did? Can some anti-choice people explain that one? I'd really like
to know the logic there.
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TobaccoRhoda |
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Most pro-life people will tell you they don't support abortion in the case or rape or incest either. But, they keep it quiet because, well, look what's
happening to Sarah Palin for saying it out loud.
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Axle the Bulldog |
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If you want to make it illegal to have an abortion, then there are two things you must do regarding legislation:
1) Make contraception available to everyone and as accessible as candy. The best way to prevent abortions is to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Also, you will have to educate, educate, educate. 2) Allow for some kind of relief for folks to take care of their baby that they would have aborted. Many abortions occur in teenagers, people in poverty, and struggling minority groups. These are also the same groups that can't afford health insurance, high education costs, and other life requirements such as housing, baby-sitting, etc... Allow for tax breaks, universal health care, free school, lower cost housing and government payed baby-sitting or something along those lines. If you are going to preach that every baby deserves to live, then you better be ready to take care of those babies once they are born because these babies are likely to be born to parents who either don't want them and/or can't take care of them. If every baby deserves the right to be born, then every child deserves access to the proper necessities of life.
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merkyl |
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I am keeping my semi-pro status at this time.
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Sloansalad |
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<3 Trho's doctor
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