Is it wrong to go from Pro-Choice to Pro-Life?

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unkle greggo		#21	[-]
Posts: 3013 (09/22/08 6:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Shut up.
UrbanRenewal		#22	[-]
Posts: 223 (09/22/08 6:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If you're pro-life then you care about reducing the number of abortions as much as possible, meaning your far best served with electing Obama as president.
meekspantsfactory		#23	[-]
Posts: 71 (09/22/08 6:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Was that an example of greggo backing up his opinions?
Zzunk		#24	[-]
Posts: 4101 (09/22/08 6:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My liberal tendencies go back to my childhood, not college -- the 'rents did a good job brainwashing me on a lot things. I am not so much interested in forcing my beliefs on others, but maybe places like planned parenthood shouldn't be so proud that they are destroying a life form, even if it is not viable outside the womb. Babies of all colors are wanted by childless couples, so why not "help" them out with an adoption, rather than an abortion.
unkle greggo		#25	[-]
Posts: 3014 (09/22/08 6:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nope. I just hate urban and all of his ghost nics.
UrbanRenewal		#26	[-]
Posts: 224 (09/22/08 6:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You can reduce the number of abortions while being pro-woman and pro-American far more easily than you can being anti-woman or police state anti-American. You're going to be far more effective working with women and with the community to solve your problems than merely writing them off. Everyone should go out on Nov.4 and vote for Obama. I'll be there with all my friends voting too.
unkle greggo		#27	[-]
Posts: 3015 (09/22/08 6:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's almost completely Urbans fault that I wont be voting Obama.
meekspantsfactory		#28	[-]
Posts: 72 (09/22/08 6:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Awesome.
UrbanRenewal		#29	[-]
Posts: 225 (09/22/08 6:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Planned parenthood has stopped more abortions than it has assisted in because it's also deeply commited to sex education. As far as industrialized first world countries, the United States is far above the rest in its numbers of abortions. And the reason for that isn't because other nations have illegalized it. They haven't. It's because those other first-world nations have actually educated and empowered their population with adequate sex education and information concerning condoms and protection. Compare this to John McCain who wants healthcare to give out Viagra but doesn't want it to give out condoms, and you see why you shouldn't be voting for John McCain in a million years if you're pro-life.
managerr		#30	[-]
Posts: 14148 (09/22/08 6:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Feeling one way is fine, it's when you want to force your beliefs on everyone else that it's not ok. In general, I agree with you, but... He's the problem. If you're pro-life and you really truly believe that life begins at conception (or some point shortly after), then it makes perfect sense to try and force other people into your position...because not doing so is tantamount to supporting murder.
finishthemoff		#31	[-]
Posts: 10236 (09/22/08 6:39 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Which one sounds worse, Anti-choice or anti-life? Mmmhmmmm?
meatball77		#32	[-]
Posts: 9011 (09/22/08 6:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So explain to me why it matters if the baby is born but it doesn't matter if the baby eats or is clothed. If a baby is important then shouldn't welfare be expanded so those babies are taken care of and not abused and well educated. Are you (general you) ready to support women who have seven and eight babies?
managerr		#33	[-]
Posts: 14150 (09/22/08 6:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So explain to me why it matters if the baby is born but it doesn't matter if the baby eats or is clothed. If a baby is important then shouldn't welfare be expanded so those babies are taken care of and not abused and well educated. No one saying it doesn't, way to go with your slippery slope argument there.
blondemss		#34	[-]
Posts: 10168 (09/22/08 7:03 PM) Guttersnipe Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	well, i think those are excellent questions and this isn't a subject with any one perfect solution answer. in answer, for my own self to your question: i live a prolife life. i take responsiblity for my actions and if i get pregnant (and did) will keep MY child. i will not have an abortion under any circumstances. those hypothetical people that you mention having five or six babies and not feeding them? abortion is legal NOW. they're still doing having the kids. abortion isn't the answer. my soup is done and i'm going to eat but i hope that made a bit of sense for your questions in reference to one prolifer
meatball77		#35	[-]
Posts: 9012 (09/22/08 7:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Right, but if you make it impossible to have an abortion. Or worse impossible to use BC that prevents implantation of a fertilized egg. Then you have five times as many women who have five and six babies. Or the women just give themselves abortions with coat hangers
blondemss		#36	[-]
Posts: 10169 (09/22/08 7:21 PM) Guttersnipe Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i don't actually think at this point abortion should be illegal. as i said, there isn't any perfect answer. i think education is the major thing. i think a sense of pride in populations that don't have one now would make it less 'worthy' to have tons of babies out of wedlock as a teen and live off the gov't's tit. ain't happening all at once. all i can do is live a responsible life to my own moral code and try to educate those around me to make rational decisions regarding their bodies and their futures.
frisbeehead		#37	[-]
Posts: 13781 (09/22/08 7:21 PM) Make it a funny one! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Read the Freakonomics chapter on why crime rates went down.
candi7of9		#38	[-]
Posts: 940 (09/22/08 7:51 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	meatball77 wrote: As for adoption, it only works if both parents agree. And that's a lot of times. Tens of thousands of these adoptions take place every year, but it still doesn't come close to meeting the supply for the million or so people on the waiting lists to adopt. I think abortion is wrong, but I realize we can't make everything "wrong" illegal, so for a while I've felt that I was pro-choice but I wouldn't waste any of my breath fighting for a woman's right to kill her baby. But Roe v. Wade rubs me the totally wrong way due to the fact that Roe ended up changing her stance, has tried to get the ruling overturned, and has said she believes she was taken advantage of by her lawyers, who were really representing their interests instead of hers. I know that can't change the legality of Roe v. Wade, but the fact that millions of babies are killed every year due to a shady case is just plain evil. Roe's own words: "I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. "Norma," I said to myself, "They're right." I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth--that's a baby!" I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about "products of conception." It wasn't about "missed periods." It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion-at any point-was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear."
Antithesys		#39	[-]
Posts: 22950 (09/22/08 8:04 PM) Gadabout Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I was pro-choice because it was included standard in the young liberal package. As I learned more about the world I listened to a lot of opinions on the subject, many of them on boards like this one, and cutting out all the crap I gradually came to the conclusion that abortion is the intentional taking of human life and therefore more akin to murder (legally speaking) than surgical procedure. There are two logical possibilities to the beginning of life, fertilization or birth, and birth is almost arbitrary as it happens when it happens. But I'm not going to picket clinics or vote Republican or pass judgment people who do it. It's not an issue I care enough about to care about.
NotAnAnderson		#40	[-]
Posts: 38 (09/22/08 8:09 PM) Not really here Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I've decided it's a win-win election for me. I'd rather have Obama win for a lot of reasons, but I like McCain's tax policy better. Actually, since it's a lock that the democrats are going to keep both houses, i'd almost prefer things stayed good and sclerotic with McCain in charge.

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