Final ratings...
Ace - MOR3
Crystal - OTTN4
Kenny - CPP3
Matty - CPN4
Sugar - CPP4
Bob - OTTP2
Charlie - UTR1
Corinne - CPN4
Dan - MOR2
Marcus - CP3
Randy - MOR3
Susie - OTTM3
<3 the pictures on the voting site, Phoenix.
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Final ratings... Ace - MOR3 Crystal - OTTN4 Kenny - CPP3 Matty - CPN4 Sugar - CPP4 Bob - OTTP2 Charlie - UTR1 Corinne - CPN4 Dan - MOR2 Marcus - CP3 Randy - MOR3 Susie - OTTM3 <3 the pictures on the voting site, Phoenix. |
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McPhever224 |
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Ace - MORN3 Crystal - OTTM4 Kenny - CPP3 Matty - OTTN4 Sugar - CPP4 Bob - OTTP2 Charlie - UTR1 Corinne - CPN4 Dan - MOR2 Marcus - CP3 Randy - MORN3 Susie - OTT3 |
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fat little fingers |
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Hey Warrior, nice II's, huh?
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BlakeB717 |
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My laptops been in the shop, so I haven't even gotten to really get good ratings I'm confident in last episode or this episode, but right now I'd
say I stand around here:
FANG Ace: MOR3... I think there was still SOME sympathy in the fact that he got voted out over a lie, but it was well deserved, but the editors didn't do anything necessarily to make us dislike him or want him gone; his edit in previous episodes did that for us Crystal: OTTM4... she got no thoughts on any of her actions, so they appeared impulsive and distracting, definitely meant to have some sympathy for her and hope she stayed over Ace, but all the negative SPV and nothing shown to make her case appear better really hurt her too Ken: CP3... we may be happy that he sided with Sugar and took out the snake, but that doesn't equal a P tone. He manipulated Sugar via a lie. He told us what his game plan from now on is; he's willing to lie. That's 100% game, thus there is no tone. Just like Parvati's pre-merger edit; all game, no tone (though some fools gave her an N for using the word "dead") Matty: MORN4... I think he was as mix of a lot of ratings, so MOR suffices, but he was clearly N, not in-your-face, just really lost and is losing his drive (the side effects of long-term use of Fang, people!) Sugar: CP4... she was NOT P. She was very CP, but her edit had no tone, she's a powerful person, she took out her ally (and we were shown that it was stupid for her but good for Kenny), and she's useless (but goes on to win IC)... she wasn't N or P or M, she was toneless because we got into her head and she's a threat, it's allll game baby KOTA Bob: OTTP2... not PP because he wasn't visible enough for EXTREME tone, but pretty darn close Charlie: UTR1... pretty much non-existant Corinne: CPN4... we got into her head and I think the intent this episode was that the bitch is back, she may be in check on her emotions, but that doesn't mean the editors want the audience to like her (keeping in mind middle-aged women are the main viewers) Dan: MORM3... I think he avoids OTT because Susie took that position for him; the distraction on the Kota tribe this episode "Dan's gone unless Susie screws up" Marcus: CP4... like Sugar and Kenny, toneless because it was all game Randy: MORN3... he's nasty, but his edit was held this episode for a bigger and better one next week Susie: OTTM2... completely stupid but I think the edit was more focused on Corinne being way too agressive over a comment that was out of honesty, but Susie definitely distracted us from who was to go Winner is Marcus, unless something goes terribly wrong and Ken emerges |
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panurge46 |
The Case for Corinne Being Sole Survivor: A Look at the Themes | ||
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I analyze the edit by looking at the story and the themes that evolve from it. The winner emerges from that story.
Randy replied: "Then you're gone."
And being the Silent Leader could explain the need to keep her out of the camera's focus!
Fang was preceded to their meeting with Jeff by a snake. The snake made 2 appearences during the vote, once while Ace was voting and once just before Matty arrived at the podium, the snake's image fading directly into Matty's face. The snake bit them both. Fang's TC was very emotional. It was Crystal and Sugar who made it an emotional vote.
I dare say that Charlie and Marcus are considered one and the same by the editors. The fall of one will lead to the fall of the other. Charlie only gets less confessionals and the one he had about Dan was about the same as what Marcus had said. (Call them Pete and RePete, average out their ratings and you can eliminate both!)
He had the happy Tourist type of confessionals during the reward. Bob already won what he had to win in this game.
Susie is a "Dumb Player", one that is completely Loco!
In this episode, Crystal was supposedly fighting for her life yet we always saw her lying down in the hut. Then, at TC, even if she knew Sugar was on her side (watch her smiling during the votes) she still picked a fight needlessly. The editors were telling us that Crystal is a terrible player.
Matty is getting discouraged, he is losing his fight and, when he thought he was finally turning it around, Sugar double-crossed him. The "Victim" can't catch a break.
She wasn't duped by Ace and she won't be duped by Kenny either. Sugar is continuing to learn how to play this game and, even if she was portrayed as a snake, she was a charming one with her smiles clearly in evidence during the challenges. The camera loves Sugar! It was interesting that we got to hear Bob say he was a lumberjack roll champion and then seeing Sugar beat him. If she can beat a champion at his own game, why couldn't she beat everybody else at this game? I'd love to see it but we have only heard her saying that she wants to learn the game, prove her abilities. There's no reflections on the end game which is present in the story of the end game players. Sugar's end game has already passed with AceMs exit.
Ken finally had a move to go his way. He didn't like Ace and Matty deciding the game, he saw it meant Crystal's and his own deathy and he acted smartly by lying to Sugar. He set up the perfect trap for Ace and he caught him. The problem is that we heard Kenny saying he trusts Sugar and Ken hasn't had any luck with the cute girls.
To the end, Dan's story was being his own worst enemy. He could never relax, could never be himself.
Ace tried. He saved Sugar from Matty's wrath but he couldn,t save himself. In the end, he seemed resigned. The most interesting visual came during a voice-over confessional by Sugar when she considered her next move: Ace was seen sitting down through the flames of the camp's fire. Our initial villain already burning in hell!
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The one problem with that analysis is that Corinne ISN'T the silent leader. Both episodes her tribe has gone to tribal council, we've seen HER being
the one out front and making moves while Marcus just lets her do it. If anything, MARCUS is the silent leader.
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Kitty Pryde1 wrote:"We'll talk about it later." "I built this alliance, with layers like an Onion..." And countless other quotes. Panurge, I completely agree with that whole post. but omgz it isnt edgic and if u say it is these people will go loco en la cabeza. But anything so this bore doesn't win. |
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BlakeB717 |
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Accepting the obvious is a way of life in edgic! Marcus follows all the past trends, thus he wins. Doesn't mean the season is ruined because he wins,
we'll have plenty of awesome characters at the end-game!
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my problem with all the Eden/ Adam and Eve plot is that it was decided before filming that it would be labeled as such -Gabon: Earth's Last EDEN. Probst
even says this to the players. So, it's not necessarily a theme based on the outcome fitted into a nifty little story. (besides the themes never add up
-Todd, Courtney and Amanda all ate from the apple and it turned out pretty well for them). And if there is an Eden theme, it will be simplified for the
viewing public -"oh, look apples! A jungle!"
sorry, Oo -didn't catch that before. Yes, Corrine is a negative force. I don't think she wins (duh) and will probably be instrumental in a turnaround in the game (maybe Charlie leaves at her hands while Marcus has immunity). I think she will get a comeuppance. Blake, I don't think it was presented that Sugar made a bad move. Again, I feel we weren't supposed to be rooting for Crystal to survive, as much as hoping Sugar gets wise to the evil, bad Ace. (I feel viewers are supposed to think only about the here and now in simplified terms. Hence, Probst telling Fang they are doomed when losing was probably the smartest thing they could do; Sugar voting out Ace is a poor move in reality, but not in the story etc) I want to go back and watch Probst's voiceovers with the contestants at councils -they are usually the most telling. The most telling to me so far is his "reach/dig deep down to win" for Sugar after GC left. And the one last episode, "Fang is here to play..." (paraphrased from memory) and "Kota might not be the happy family..."; Marcus' blowoff kiss to Paloma also strikes me as odd and a little mean for a winner -especially for a non villain castaway being voted off. |
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BlakeB717 |
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I personally think that at any time a person is manipulated by someone outside their alliance into betraying their own alliance, it's implied that it
wasn't a very smart move. Regardless I felt Sugar was toneless.
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fat little fingers |
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I really like the ant connection you make between Sugar's scene and the ants of Kota, but beware getting too caught up in your own story making.
Individual strategy scenes have always had snake imagery on Survivor. Scheming and plotting often have spider and web imagery. Group strategy gets the ants. Yes, Corrine may be the one who is the catalyst for the TC plan. But, it is Marcus who gives us the strategic speeches and level-headed comments. Corrine gets the little sign over her head at TC, saying she's the ringleader of the vote. But, she's also the one who gets the OTT statements off stabbing and hate hate hate, and the aggressive reactive behavior. Ask youself, 'Who jumped out at my attention this episode on Kota?', and Marcus is way down on the list. The winner should still be hidden, yet 'deserving of winner respect' at this point in the game. |
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RageBot |
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Wow, I've just realised something!
If Marcus loses, Huge Gap is going to take the win! It would be amazing, won't it? Since only we the edgicians know about the guy, but damn, won't huge gap be a great suprise winner? (and now my ratings): Fang: Ace - MOR3 Crystal - OTTM4 Ken - CP3 Matty - OTTN2 (i'm hopeless, sugar's so weak, bla bla) Sugar - CPM4 (I'm actually giving her a mixed tone, since telling someone in the face that he's ugly, without being funny at all, is just plain mean) Kota: Bob - OTTP2 Charlie - UTR1 Corrine - CPM4 Dan - OTTM3 Marcus - CP3 Randy - MOR2 Susie - OTT2 Winner - Marcus - a perfect edit (Gap) Randy - In a Marcusless season, he would've probably been in the top, but there's a Marcus. Randy constantly get foreshadowing, he gets confessionals when he doesn't need them, whenever someone says "If Randy does this and that he'll go far" Randy's doing just that, and with the next episode's promo, we know he's gonna go far and be a key member. Ken - He gets a lot of Strategic talk, in the first episode he says he's gonna be the underdog and we are reminded that he is, managed to sway the sweetheart Sugar to his side. His big problems - A semi INV, not a lot of connection to the endgame. |
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panurge46 |
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Colleenlover wrote: Yes, I understand that but whatever the winner, you knew that EPMB would do his best to introduce Biblical references. Look at what he did with Ethan. If Adam (a man) was the winner, he would have been portrayed as going through a tough time. Marcus is in paradise and that doesn't fit at all unless he falls. Even the scene where Dan was supposed to ask Bob to vote out Marcus was cut out. I think the editors are going out of their way to make it look easy for Marcus just like it was easy for Adam at first. But we see flaws like selfishness (the first challenge) and callousness (The faked sympathy for Paloma) which led man to the original sin. And as far as this: "Todd, Courtney and Amanda all ate from the apple and it turned out pretty well" I'll say different season, different themes. China's main theme was: "The Art of War is the Greatest Book on Strategy Ever Written" The winner HAD to be portrayed as a strategist so that led me to call Todd the winner in episode #3 when everyone told me he was too loud. Thanks flf for the comment. The ants were mainly for amusement but the other three themes are important, I think. What do you think of the mask imagery? I may be wrong with the story but so what if I am. That's what I see and if I'm wrong, so be it. Just as you'll never see me arguing to death over the tone of a player in an episode, you'll never see me fall down from depression if I didn't read a story correctly. I'm not wagering my house on it. |
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Phoenix1269 |
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Kota
Bob - OTTP2 - classically so. big brush strokes of OTT and super <3 from the editors here. The reward letters scene really says it all... including Corrine's "awww you're family loves you!" clip. I almost want to give him a PP. He also gets the majority of the gushy reward descriptions. Charlie - UTR1 only because apparently he had a confessional. I have noted so, and it's on the chart... but I have no recollection on what it was. I want to give him an N for being the big editing disappointment of the season. He was a preseason fave for me. Well...the editing team gets the N i guess. Corinne - OTTN4 Give this girl a QTIP (Quit Taking It Personally). Wow. She really took that to heart... and beyond! I will give her kudos on being able to calm down enough and play it smart at TC ... but all this did for me was show the EXTREMENESS of her reactions: Face stabbing, hate hate hate, she pisses me off, I WANT HER GONE, You piss me off and my alliance hates you too !?!?!? 0 to 60 in 1 second = OTTN (take a look at Natalie last year ... there is your template with a dash of Jerri S2 in there). Dan OTT2 - "Dan was <OTT> because even though he sucked at the game, he was supposed to be this unpopular little kid who wanted to be popular." I'm not sure which poster said this... they gave Dan a MOR... but i thought the argument was actually better for giving an OTT. I didn't see any tone for him. Just meh. Marcus - CP4 he showed us he is smart and is playing the game. We get to hear his thoughts and insight on all sorts of matters. He's calm and logical...even when handing out immunity. Definitely Colby 2.0... and this time it's not a redux, but an improvement. I didn't find him to have any extra tone though. (And darn... a cliff shot... combined with all the fish catching... the should just put a little highlight bubble above his head that says winner, hmmph). Randy - OTTN2 - the sweetheart calls him an ugly person, and he is shown to not get any fam-mail.... there's your N tone....and your OTT for that matter. I could go with a MOR for him... but i thought it was OTT because it was pretty simplified in terms of his inclusion in the Onions and his basic throwing his former alliance under the BUS-ness. Susie - OTTN2- That was quite a list of negative adjectives she received this episode. And she proved it by being "honest" with Corinne. Yikes! she is a bit of a loose cannon that one (I think Randy called her that too!) Fang Ace - MOR3 - I guess the editors buffed up his edit early knowing they wouldn't have much time during his boot episode. I didn't really find him to be very N this episode though... i thought he was really pretty neutral. He had some strategy (with Matty) and some worry (talk with Sugar). A bit of conflict with Crystal regarding the rice... but really, he was more sympathetic there... he wanted Crystal to eat, but she kept refusing....although i suppose if you get called "Ace Hole" on your vote out, well... i wouldn't argue the N. Crystal. - OTTN4 . Heaven's to Betsy she is extreme. She was very angry, intense and defensive the WHOLE episode. Her tribe is so afraid of her that NO ONE says anything about the rice in the moment. Not even an "oh darn!" They all hold their tongues and she still freaks out! Ace tries (unsuccessfully) to get her to eat, and she flat out refuses... and they even show it 3 times from Ace alone... and he wasn't the only one trying. Then she wigs out at TC because no one saved her any. WTF. And someone please tell me why they put Sugar in as the attacker on the RC instead of Crystal.... while Crystal sits and looks on all PO'd?? Ken - CP3 I don't think he warrants any tone this episode. I think we got into his head a bit and saw his fears about his position, his awareness of the others' positions on the tribe and his plan for what he was gonna do about it. He also gets a thumbs up for being the first person to realize that Sugar is not as dumb as she appears. Even Ace didn't figure that out until too late. Matty - CPN4 ... I could go either CP or OTT here.... I'm a bit torn. I feel like Matty has been oversimplified in his anger and frustration a bit, but understandably so. Upon further reflection, i think that was intended for his tone only. He is CP because we do get to hear him articulating his feelings and his frustration with his position & tribe. Unlike Ken... who chose wisely in placing his fate in someone who was stronger than himself, Matty's plan relied upon someone who was more vulnerable than himself. Matty has been shown to be consistently slow on the up take in forming alliances and making plans and this is why he won't win. Sugar - CPM4... please don't make her positive because her personality is sweet, upbeat and giggly. Just like Randy the Curmudgeon can't always be negative because of his personality, so too Sugar cannot always be positive because of her bubbly personality. I recall she even alludes to this in the Sugar Shack... that she is a positive, optimistic person by nature... anyway... She was shown to be very aware and clued in this time: she doesn't trust Ken and she really doesn't trust Ace, she is aware of what others think of her and we also get to see her strategizing to get rid of Ace and that she is a bit torn about it (shots of her with wet eyes). This girl's story has legs... i can totally see her making it to the end. What a completion of the story arc she started in E3... when she went to exile and proclaimed she has no idea how to play, but she is learning. And to whomever compared her to Ozzy S13 i think that was a GREAT comparison.... and explains the consistent attention to Marcus and the great story crafting of Sugar. And i disagree that Sugar's only story line was tied to Ace... HER story is about learning to play this game and proving that she isn't dumb... it's been reinforced several times now. The Ace-thing was just a subplot of her greater story. As for the tone, she did blindside her biggest ally, and she called another player an ugly person. Regardless of whether she is right or not, it still is some blackish colouring on her otherwise rosy persona. Winner: Marcus Alternate Winner: Ken mostly because i can't get rid of him yet... i don't think he was invisible in his so-called "INV" episode... i rated him UTR1... since the editors did emphasize his winner moment... it was like a sports event, they even showed a replay in slo-mo... AND that was Kota's 1st TC episode...the only opportunity the editors had premerge to develop anyone on Kota. Oh... and, Ken has personal development that Marcus lacks. ie. We have heard (from himself) about WHO he is, away from the game. All we know about Marcus, away from the game, is that he is not gay. The "Because I'm a Bit of a Wishful Thinker" Winner: Sugar. That would be so awesome Eliminated: Everyone else, even Matty and Randy. Matty's chances died this week... and Randy is officially in the "i've burned too many bridges" category... considering how many of his old tribemates have made it through to the jury. I can totally hear Crystal ripping him a new one at the final TC. -- Not Edgic but fun anyway: Final 4 random guess: Marcus, Sugar, Randy, Bob I think Corrine's statement of the only female was not for her in the positive, but telling us she won't be the only female... i think it comes down to between her and Sugar and Sugar wins out as last female standing. All this talk about Bob as Final 5 means he upsets that somehow and ends up as F4... which fits all the other silent F4 patterns. Randy seems fairly obvious that he is facing the jury... he's pissed off too many people [Twila was a great comparison OTH!] I think Marcus goes on an IC streak. (And i'll even go out on a limb and say that is my final order too.) -- Oh, and panurge... interesting read, and while i see where you are coming from (i can even agree with a lot of what you are saying), i still feel like Corinne is NOT the last woman standing. She even tells us this herself ("I don't want to be the only female"). Cool notations on the imagery.... although i thought the ants scene was more about the Kota's working together as a team and carrying too much dead weight. I immediately thought of Dan and how much he eats as = dead weight. But i think they showed us that Susie is in that catagory too. -- to all the new posters like ncassarro and crackr0ck (and any others i've missed), i've enjoyed your posts... keep up the great work! -- :) thanks unduli!
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11/02/08 10:45 PM.
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fat little fingers wrote:it looks like they just got married! I think this is our Adam and Eve. |
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but omgz it isnt edgic and if u say it is these people will go loco en la cabeza. Well, this is the edgic thread after all. Like it or not, Corrine has one absolute INV and one debatable INV. Not the winner. Sorry. |
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getting real |
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Panurge, I agree that Corinne is the only possible challenger to Marcus; have done from the beginning. However, in your analogy you omit the role of Eve.
Much like Adam's, Eve's story does not end well. It is her fate to bear usher in the new dawn but at considerable pain and suffering to herself.
Arguments may be made for either Sugar or Corinne to have the role of Eve. If it's Sugar (after all, she's had the obvious apple imagery) then Corinne has the chance to triumph in the post-Eden era. CL, you wouldn't really begrudge the editors trying to extract a little mileage from their much-heralded theme in post-production, would you? |
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Casey333 wrote:
Tina says "hey wat up". I really don't think an INV should be an instant write-off.....if they have a strong edit the rest of the time it's cool. |
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cantthinkofaname |
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RageBot wrote: Aaaaand, her poor challenge performance was played up. They could've just ignored the negative SPV she got, but they didn't, so M is the correct tone for Sugar. What's with all the P's? |
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Casey333 |
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Tina was 15 seasons ago, and her INV was in the first episode (MB wanted to throw viewers off after Richard's edit in S1).
The INV ship sailed a long time ago. |
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