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Posts: 5862 (09/25/08 10:10 PM) Registered User |
Great. Craig and Kitty are both supporting the same player Randy. Can Armageddon be far off ?
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 fat little fingers |
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Posts: 5597 (09/25/08 10:14 PM) Registered User |
You're a trooper, Warrior!
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iluvbbsofun |
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Posts: 613 (09/25/08 10:16 PM) |
If Ace was UTR instead of INV the 2nd episode, then he would be an edgic favorite.
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iluvbbsofun |
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Posts: 614 (09/25/08 10:20 PM) |
randy doesn't win cause they didn't play up how he survived the potentially infecting injury that fucked over numerous past survivors
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Posts: 2223 (09/25/08 10:34 PM) Registered User |
Oowatanite wrote:I'm not Craig, but Michelle for me was CPN (by what constitutes a CP in Episode 1, when there are 17 other contestants fighting for airtime). She got strong reinforcement for her point of view at TC (complete with the famous Survivor chimes at the conclusion of one of her comments). She got the showmance scene with Ken (which could easily have been cut). It was a well crafted first boot edit (enough so that you could understand the decision, even though the editing would lead you to think that MB considered it a poor choice, given they booted Gillian after narrowly losing another physical challenge). Not that OTT versus CP for Michelle matters in the grand scheme of things ... |
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Posts: 616 (09/25/08 10:40 PM) |
Marcus doesn't have a winner's edit. The way he said how he had an onion alliance seemed contrived/forced and not natural, so it doesn't count.
He also has no story other than being Charlie's bitch or his master.
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OnlyTheHunter |
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Posts: 1625 (09/25/08 10:45 PM) Edgician |
Rewatching ep 2 - Bob barely speaks (at all?) but got SPV both as a good person to be the fifth onion and as knowledgeable in using the fishing net.
That's interesting.
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Posts: 905 (09/25/08 10:50 PM) |
I really hope this is the year they decide to edit the show completely different and someone random like Kelly wins.
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Posts: 1201 (09/25/08 11:11 PM) Registered User |
So, are there separate VF charts for each hour?
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Seyz |
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Posts: 217 (09/25/08 11:22 PM) |
Marcus's edit does seem sort of similar to Earl/Todd/Parvati all 3 of whom were handed to us on a platter, and they did show the winning alliances early in
the previous survivors (such as Amanda and Todd, Parvati and Amanda and then added Cirie, Yul and Becky. But I hope this time round, they are showing us a
doomed alliance, because I don't think an alliance that wins has ever been in our face as much as this one has been. I mean, would the editors really shove
the winning alliance down our throats the very first episode. Highly doubt it, that's kind of a buzz kill, right? Ace has that "winning"
confession, people always talk about, so.. maybe. Ken has an interesting edit as well
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SFC |
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Posts: 468 (09/25/08 11:27 PM) Registered user |
Seyz wrote: Yes |
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James Barber |
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Posts: 14127 (09/25/08 11:37 PM) Registered User |
Marcus's edit does seem sort of similar to Earl/Todd/Parvati all 3 of whom were handed to us on a platterOne of the differences is they almost had to show Marcus, since he won the first individual immunity. He also had a lot of hype pre-show because of his background. Everything about his edit just seems to be too good to be true to me. |
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scepticA |
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Posts: 1393 (09/25/08 11:42 PM) Registered User |
Had to tape the show (amazing how fast a 2-hour show goes by when you zip through commercials) and just finished watching it.
Like Redwing, I thought Michelle was CPN. Negative, of course, but her tribe isn't very bright. Plus she had the superfluous but fun scene with the termites. It might have had the main purpose of giving more substance to Kenny's personality (in fact I think this was its point), but by reflection it made Michelle seem fun. How many players who were voted out had NO post-TC commentary? Is she the first? I'll comment about the other gals tomorrow. A couple of pretty interesting edgic people there. But I didn't get into a lot of their heads. The
conventional "I'll laugh when they cry" bit is too much of a cliche to grant it anything like insight, at least until she actually DOES laugh out
loud when someone is crying. Then it's, "Damn, the gal has game." She's too into strategery right now.
Now - the show. The 2-episode opener was terrific. Got you right into the action, no extra fluff (and no Sacred Hippo ritual we had to endure). Pick the tribes - and how DUMB were the Fang tribe? Even Charlie commented on it - and then straight into a challenge. And thanks to to eps we got to know the players very well in the first night. Bravo. Gabon - glorious. An amazing combination of open grassland - not many previous challenges have been played on such large open green areas! - and dense
foliage. Great animal imagery (who's the gorilla?). A fabulous non-beach location, perhaps the best non-beach location ever.
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OnlyTheHunter |
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Posts: 1626 (09/25/08 11:45 PM) Edgician |
Going to bed soon, last thoughts.
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Posts: 4878 (09/25/08 11:49 PM) OMEDETO, CATHY!! |
Kelly, can someone say.... WINNER? I mean can the editors be anymore obvious. The reaction shot to Michelle's boot basically gave it away. They would only
show the reaction to that shocker boot to the most important player of the season, Kelly. She wins, yw see you next season.
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Posts: 950 (09/25/08 11:50 PM) Registered user |
I've watched the full 2 hours twice now. Phew. I'm Survivor'd out! Here's where I stand in all this mess: I apologize that it's long, just
a lot to get out there, shouldn't be longer posts than THIS! (crosses fingers)
Kota, the tribe that is going to dominate. Most likely the winner will come from here. They have happy music when they say they will never lose; they are not being shown arrogantly. They are being shown as the smarter tribe. They aren't being Moto'd; they are getting decent strategy airtime that will help set-up dynamics in the merge when most of the people there are from Kota anyways. Charlie will not win. His entire edit was about Marcus. What did we learn about Charlie other than he thinks someone is a great, attractive guy? He's Marcus' bitch, and is a simple MOR side-kick character. Corinne, if the winner end up female which I highly doubt, would most likely be her. She owned up that she's a bitch and will own it, and made mention that she will play the game. Then she said nice things about Bob. Is this M-tone meant to lighten her character up and be a good dynamic or does it show her as a hypocrite who isn't who she says she is? I'm not sure. She's not getting enough insight to be CP, yet, but I don't think she has warranted a tone either negatively or positively; yet. Marcus is the most likely winner for several reasons. For one he's boring! Winners are usually boring. He's getting likeable facetime, has shown relevance to the theme (eden, temptation), he's already clearly layed out his strategy of being protected and layered by others surrounding him. He's dull, yes, but I always think about the reunion. Can any of his quotes be shown? Absolutely. Visibility isn't crazy, he's not a distraction strategically, he's in the mix. Charlie and Corinne both are more distracting than he is, mainly because of their personalities, while Ace and Bob play the hero/villian distraction. He's centred in a good spot strategically and is surrounded by other bigger characters, but he isn't forgotten. Sounds like a winner to me, even if I wish he wasn't. Kelly ZIPPO. Paloma can't win, and may be N-toned for the premiere. They made a big deal of her purposely excluding herself from the team, and also whining about Ace. Potential rivalry there? Ace was developed as the person he is, and is going to be the guy who thinks he's in control, but isn't as an alliance is forming under his nose. He's going to get puppetted without knowing it. Nada in second half spelled out doom for him. Jacque, nada, in an alliance, will definitely go very far, probably a smart UTRP character. Sugar is just comedy, not sure if she was P-toned or not in the premiere. Bob had a good first episode, not sure if it was quite CP, but he was neglected in the second. Unless he gets a storyline about being onion layer #5, I think he's toast. He really just didn't get much at all in the second half, but it may not be so bad? Fang, the tribe that is getting more visibility and character development because they're all going soon so their characters need development. Unless there is a swap and I'm wrong and they continue to soar developmentally. Lots of distractions. The tribe that is shown as a mess, because they are. We aren't meant to feel all that bad for them, which probably means they get annihilated. GC had a million-dollar quote, but his facetime is quite heavy. He was definitely P for most of the first half but suddenly went N-ish at Tribal.. I'd go with M but in the second half he was a classic example of M. Positive then negative then more negative then positive. Too visible though, but, no one seems to be targetting him and he was put in a leader's position so, they had to show that. I think? He needs to cool off definitely within the next 2 episodes to remain in the running, because he has been quite CP. Randy I refuse to rule out. I think he was complex in both episodes, and I think he was M in the first half because that's just his humor. He was silly, and I think they introduced who he was well from the start. In the second half I think he was P because EVERY POINT he made was spot on and proven. He's the wise one, and the one in a great spot because hell he's older but they all seem to like him. He actually seems to have strategy. I could see him being a pre-merger character, but for now, assuming he gets some cool down within the next 2 episodes, I think Randy is a character that will last and is in contention! They editted him CPly instead of OTTly for a reason. Crystal, for a girl, is OK edit wise. We got her CP-ish moment at the start, not sure if she should be full on CP (probably MOR) but we got the jist of her character. Not much insight in the game other than assumptions and discussions. Probably got the screentime out of respect; she's an Olympic athlete. Need to show her. Will probably last a while, though. Matty and Ken are positive characters. Matty wasn't editted that positively but he's going to be based on things Jeff seems to say. I think he's going to be a slow build up. Ken is just the underdog as well, that you love, but neither will win. Just guys you root for. No end-game views at all. Susie is just negelected. Michelle was miserable, bitchy, whiny, and meant to be a distraction and negative. OTTN, as she was just in your face I hate the world.. and Dan was fairly CPP in the second episode, because he's Mr. Positive and he gave a lot of insight (that quiet leader was good material) but definitely not a winner, first episode lacked and he's kind of a joke. But a neat joke! Those are my thoughts after 2 views so far. I've got ratings down but I need 1 more watch to make sure they're good. Top Contenters list right now: 1. Marcus 2. Randy 3. GC 4. Crystal
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Posts: 14129 (09/25/08 11:57 PM) Registered User |
In the second half I think he was P because EVERY POINT he made was spot on and proven.He was also shown to be willing to let those problems fester for his own benefit. He tended to say things that may have been right, but his comments were made in a crass way. They didn't ever try to seriously separate him from the quagmire of his tribe. The only time I thought they did was when he injured himself. Which is another reason I don't know if I see him winning. There's no mystery at all. Winners like Yul or Earl may have been likable early on, or we may have seen winners who were crafty from early on (like Todd), but there was still some layer left to be unraveled later on. Everything with Marcus, his personality, gameplay, alliance, was all shoved at people blatantly. |
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OnlyTheHunter |
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Posts: 1627 (09/26/08 12:00 AM) Edgician |
James Barber said re: Marcus
Which is another reason I don't know if I see him winning. There's no mystery at all. Okay, saw this and have to comment - James, there doesn't have to be a mystery. No mystery that Tom would beat Katie. The mystery is how does tom get to the end. How would Marcus? How would Chris get past the women? Plenty of time to layer doubt, etc. We had veteran people here thinking early in China that there's no mystery in Todd winning. Who won? It's two eps in. Slow down and follow Edgic guidelines. Don't worry about the rest yet. Michael |
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Posts: 952 (09/26/08 12:02 AM) Registered user |
but his comments were made in a crass way. It's impossible to edit someone's personality. You have to look at the words, and the material was good.
In regards to Marcus, it wasn't obvious WINNER to me. It's obvious to us, but the casual viewer, no, because there was so much distraction on Fang and he was about 3-4 visiblity in the entire premeire overall. He has an end-game set up, he has strategy, he's surrounded by likeability, has memorable quotes that relate to the theme, but he wasn't there ever second. He had about 2 max 3 scenes with him out of I don't know 25 scenes in the show. CPP3 CP4 is what I'm going with right now, and that's very very good for a winner. We can't pull out the obvious card anymore, because look at the last 4 winners. All CP starts, and most of them were fairly obvious winners. The editting style will not change now if it's held for so long. It is what it is, unfortunately. |
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Posts: 14130 (09/26/08 12:05 AM) Registered User |
There's always something. Even with Tom, there was that little scene set up where he made an alliance with Stephenie before they were separated. Viewers were left to wonder what would happen if they met up again. We also didn't see just how close he was to Ian or Katie until a few episodes later into the season, I don't think. With Marcus, not only have we already had everything laid out for him in alliances and his personality and his gameplay, but Jeff Probst insulted him in the preview comments. It just seems like he's there as a distraction. I think Marcus might be a tool, someone we see bringing various people together, and the story is what happens to them, moreso than Marcus himself. You can always trim a scene. They left in his saying he hated Gillian's accent, saying he didn't want to be near a 60-year old, and so on. He said what viewers might agree with, but usually went one step forward into a more negative place.
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