colleenlover wrote:I've been reading the last 10 pages or so since the finale started airing and I felt the same thing...the talk isn't revisionist "how we picked Bob" it's backward looking to "why didn't we?" Of course I say "we" liberally since I didn't pick anyone here except Sugar, and given my track record of Gary Hogeboom, Snout, Amanda, and now Sugar, I'm hardly a voice crying out in the wilderness.
gee swim, I guess I missed the revisionist posts -all I see is most of us saying, "yeah, I was wrong this season."
I will say that as a viewer I'm quite satisfied with a Bob win. I kept thinking whenever strategy came up he should've mentioned that he made 2 fake idols and had several people believing that they were real, and that profoundly affected the ethos of the game. So I figured he was going to lose to Sugar. Then she got 0 votes and I was humbled.
Edgic didn't work this season. Was it the edgic concept? Was it the execution? Was it the sociology of edgic? Was it the editors of the shoe? Who knows. It's probably all of the above. But since we can't change the editors of the show, let's meet back here in a couple of months and start talking about s18. Sounds fun to me. We might even get it wrong again. Good for us. It'll still be fun, and if so...it'll still be fun.
MDN had a good post a few pages back about FTC's affect on the editing. I think a story mode is a more universal way to consider edgic, and the story starts, in a sense, at FTC and works backward from there. It's not that the other stuff is outright wrong, but I do believe there's another dimension to it all. Green Coffee had some good points about "type A" and "type B" edits.
That said, I'd like it if the name-calling was left out of the discussion.Is that a new guideline proposal, FLF?
As much as Edgic was wrong, the Family Final Four concept must be having a party this season. Mom and dad, brother and sister, clear as day. They even named it in FTC.
I think Complex Tribe theory will continue to take some heat, but I believe it holds up well when evaluated correctly.
ScepticA had some good thoughts...and asked a good question:
What evidence to we have that the editors of Survivor, from the very first episode, know who the winner is?No doubt, this question is central to the praxis of edgic. I spent a short weekend with an editor from Burnett's production company (another show of his) and this editor was telling me (I posed some of my theories to him for feedback) that the winner of Survivor is kept significantly under wraps. He had no idea who won...which tells us nothing other than editors within SEG don't know about Survivor. Of course he didn't care about the show so didn't know characters in it this season. BUT even so, what edgic calls "editors" I've long since argued isn't actually the editors, it's the "story editors". There are layers to how the show is edited:
And without some reasonable certainty to the answer to this question, edgic is pointless. This is coming from a true fan of this (and all previous) edgic threads.
Just wondering....
- Peons who log footage (probably aren't allowed to talk between the peons about what they logged AND FTC footage I would guess is logged by non-peon)
- Story editors who piece together the themes, key plot points, etc...may get as specific as to say which 7 utterances are critical for a tribal council
later or may do a 1 page treatment of the story of each episode.
- Script writers who plug the peon's logged footage into a flushed out 5-act 42 page teleplay per episode...have no long term knowledge as long as the
story editors do their job.
- Editors-A- who actually splice together peon-logged-footage as specified by the script writers. No knowlege of the winner unless you are the editor who
cut the final episode.
- Editors-B- who then splice in b-roll footage (the snakes, the "day 29" stuff, the random stand-in's hands on the table, etc.)
Who else know the winner? The camera operators in the voting confessional...unless they set those on tripods and force the crew to go back to base camp while 1 high level producer makes sure the footage isn't blurry, over or under lit, etc.
I would maintain that the story editors know what's going on. How much do they talk about it? Who knows.
My old friend who worked for the Amazing Race said that anyone who signed an NDA with the production company knew the winner. It doesn't sound like Survivor rolls the same way.












