Matty's still on my radar, and Crystal could do it too (there's nothing 100% that has ruled her out), but Corinne is still my #1.
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Thank you Rob. I totally agree. The recap is designed for casual viewers, even those who haven't seen the season at all and use this as a tool to get
completely caught up. If they've just seen the recap and nothing else, they have no idea who Kenny (or Susie) is. They'd be totally surprised at a
Kenny / Susie win. As would I.
Matty's still on my radar, and Crystal could do it too (there's nothing 100% that has ruled her out), but Corinne is still my #1. |
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Last I checked, there aren't any rules for recap episodes. Any talk about typical winner recaps or anything isn't really associated with
edgic-- just conversation to keep the thread from dying, as far as I can tell.
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It's too little too late for worrying about the recap episode.
Kenny is the "official edgic pick". Either he wins, and edgic claims victory (and everyone outside of edgic points out that Marcus was the "true winner pick"). Much bickering ensues. Or Kenny loses, and edgic is a total failure this season. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks. Either way there will be a lot to mull over in the off-season between S17 and S18.
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Edgic already picked Marcus, and failed.
They simply switched to Kenny because he was seen as the next most viable option to them. So if Kenny wins, Edgic can't take credit. They didn't even have him as a winner pick for the first half of the season. He popped up once Marcus left. And the next choices most of the time during Marcus' stay in the game included Charlie/Randy/Corinne. 2/3 are out of the game. Excellent Edgic choices! Sugar/Crystal needs to win just so Edgic has ZERO claim to them winning. |
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Ken wasn't "invisible" for the recap. I don't do egic ratings, but assuming there was for the recap, i'd give him a MOR2, maybe a MOR3.
I'm on the west coast and read that he wasn't featured much, yet when it aired here, I actually thought he was featured quite a bit.
What I noticed was that every "major" thing he did on the show was included, but subtly downplayed. The Charlie boot, except without the cocky confessional, for example. Corinne's statement about Sugar not being able to win against a jury can be taken two ways, I guess. That she does win, or like it's already been mentioned, including Corinne's statement was to show viewers how she loses, since on paper, especially probably being the general fan-favorite, you'd think she'd have it bagged. |
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RobVanStratus wrote: Who knows?! I really think we need to wait until the season is over to see IF changes need to be made and if so what they are. Kenny wasn't necessarily eliminated by edgic guidelines, some of us just got sidetracked by Marcus' edit. It was more our mistake than edgic theory's mistake. I *do* disagree with those who said, "edgic says pick before the merge, and we did." Marcus was booted the episode before the merge, so that excuse doesn't hold up. In my opinion, speaking only for myself, either a.) Kenny's edit was fine and we were just latching on to Marcus too much to notice that fact, b.) one or several edgic guidelines need review, or c.) this season, like Guatemala, was simply an anomaly and shouldn't effect edgic long-term. We won't know until the finale... but in the mean time, I think it's fun to make educated guesses, which edgic definitely helps with.
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this season, like Guatemala, was simply an anomaly and shouldn't effect edgic long-term S11 was an anomaly because of the two returning players. There were no special twists this season, so we can't just write off every edgic failure as an "anomaly". |
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chapera rocks |
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Say that lack of focus in recap takes a huge hit at a persons chance at winning and almost always knocks them out...see Todd/Amanda.See Aras/Danielle. Oh wait. No specific rules for a recap. Kenny was not invisible whatsoever. |
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Casey333 wrote:I wouldn't say it was an anomaly just because of the two returning players. Take Vanuatu for example. Most edgicians were successful in picking the final 4 but had trouble pointing the finger at a specific winner. Like Vanuatu, the winner in Guatemala was a comeback kid that defeated a seemingly unbreakable alliance of 6. In Vanuatu, Probst hated Chris... a lot. In Guatemala, it has been said that Danni didn't give the editors enough to work with. We can say that in Gabon, Probst hated Fang. Also, if say Crystal won, they're not going to cut out all her OTT stuff just because she won, because Crystal has been a highly entertaining character and they wouldn't want to lose that. There will be reasons for everything that we will understand after the season and it'll make edgic more accurate. And I'm going to just leave it at that because I tend to piss people off when I talk about this, lol. |
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So Kenny, who didn't pop up as a winner choice until Marcus leaves, means Edgic can still claim victory for the season if he wins? I'm sorry, but Edgic
ignored Kenny, along with everyone else for Marcus as the victor, until Marcus left. So that is just a crock of shit to say you think Edgic is correct.
Edgic failed this season. Marcus got booted ONE episode before the merger. It's not like he left Episode 2 after being a winner pick, he was top dog for the first half of the season. To argue you all knew what you were doing is ridiculous. Ignoring someone like Kenny, who you've now picked as your winner, is a joke, especially when you try to claim you saw it all season but Marcus was better. |
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getting real |
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Sorry, RVS, I'm not sure what the main thrust of your argument is. Would you mind repeating it just one more time?
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craig |
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Warrior, has the edgic ratings chart been updated since ep.7?
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The whole "Sugar must decide btwn good and evil" bit makes me (with Matty=good) much less confident of a Kenny win. The overwhelming postitive tone
Matty got in the recap episode and the building of tension as to whether he can make it after so many setbacks also add to that feeling. And the nail in the
coffin - the way Probst has been talking up this theme and how he "can't wait for Kenny to get his comeuppance" lead me to believe Matty must
win.
Not always the case though, like Exile Island. I remember Terry and Aras were ignored in the recap for the most part, while Danielle got a lot of airtime.Can anyone verify this? I looked it up, and the recap occurred at F10, and had a few new scenes w/Aras. Would love it were true ... but my gut is telling me there's no way.
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The China recap practically crowned James. Next episode he was gone.
It's absurd to think that all the time spent on Kenny and Matty during the entire season is meaningless because of one recap which less then 10 million watched. Sugar will face the jury, but there is noway she will win, none. Sugars story is the sweetheart gone bad. Similar, but not exactly like Naleh. Most likely to win: Ken Matty Crystal (only if she's up against Sugar and Susy) million miles behind Corrine |
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craig wrote: Yes craig...on page 1 |
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By far the most interesting thing was Bob being lumped in as an "underdog" when he was anything but. Put aside all the OTTN talk for Corrine and
they way the editors even worked in the now-familiar "1. Corrine makes a confessional prediction. 2. Reality feeds Corrine her hat." sequence into
the recap. Ignore that, and the mere fact that she was segregated into her own separate OTTN category ("not a lovable underdog") makes her chances
VERY BAD.
How do the editors deal with a boring Pagonging? They used to do it by giving the plucky Pagonged lovable edits and making it seem like they have a shot in hell. But this time they are making them smug, unlikable pricks who we cheer to the slaughter like defeated gladiators. Other thoughts: - NOT including Ken's reasoning for the Charlie boot (especially given its proximity to the idol scene in the recap) was good for Ken's chances. - I agree that Sugar is set up for a jury failure by the recap, and that we will see confessionals from the others to back this up in the next couple of episodes. - Can we all agree that Crystal only wins vs. Susie and Sugar? A lot of F3 hints have pointed at those two facing the jury. Yeah, yeah, Crystal was way to OTT this and that. So noted. I love this thread! Been reading it since PI and every now and then I can't fight the urge to post. |
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Who is this Edgic person?
The way I see it there are dozens of DIFFERENT people each postng very different opinions. I'll be back home soon (ahhhhh, the family that drives you crazy) and have to rewatch and get caught up. The only thing that I came away with was again that Sugar is in the end; but ouch I'm back to thinking it's Matty. Ken lied to Sugar scene seems to belie that it will come back. Man, Corrine was just great in this recap -we needed more of her craziness -I want a Corrine/Sugar road trip. Sugar needs to ditch the poser nose ring and tattoos that every single person in America has. |
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According to the Recap, Matty wins.
Why does Matty win? Mostly because Bob, Corrine, Sugar, Susie, Crystal and Ken don't all for different reasons. But also because his story makes sense, in a not-making-sense kind of way. We may ask ourselves - "why was the Fang tribe edited so negatively if the winner comes from it?" The answer is, he doesn't. Matty is not a Fang member. Fang is merely the obstacle he had to overcome in order to get to the end. According to Jeff (and we can't discount all the Fang-bashing just because he now refers to them as the underdogs), Matty was stuck with bickering, weak, negative, losing losers who are only good at losing. Matty is not one of them. He is the one who is giving his all in challenges - in contrast to G.C - and is doing well at them - in contrast to, say, Crystal. It's not a coincidence the recap focused on the challenge in which all of his tribe gave up on carrying the snake (namely Sugar and Ken) except for Matty who gave it his all. It's not a coincidence Jeff called his challenge win against Bob "legendary" or "epic" or something to that affect. Matty is not part of the problem. Fang is Matty's problem. He just has to find a way to overcome it. He makes a four-person alliance with Randy, Susie and Dan, only to have them all leave to new-Kota and for him to be left alone at the always-losing Fang, helpless and defeated. He can't wait to get out of the ghetto. And at last, he does. And now he is "good" to Corrine's "evil". He succeeded in avoiding Fang's negativity, which stuck to Susie, Ken and mostly Crystal. They're all underdogs now because Matty is part of them, and Jeff can't say "Matty's the underdog" because Jeff is smooth and it'd be too obvious. Susie, Crystal and Ken are not redeemed. Susie is the fool who stumbles out of the bathtub too early, who tells Corrine she was gonna vote for her. Crystal is the bickering loser who is a prime reason Fang sucked and is always involved in the negativity that goes around camp. Ken is the liar who fooled Sugar into voting out her ally, who is getting smug and arrogant now that he has the power. Matty avoided all those negative traits, although in real life, he was probably pretty weak in the strategy department, just like Susie, and pretty smug in his new-found success, just like Ken, and sometimes negative and petty, just like Crystal. In the show he is none of those things. He is the good force, who tries to keep his tribe's moral up and sings a lovely song to his lovely girlfriend.
Sugar is our final-tribal-council loser. Ken is the player who gets too comfortable and falls just short (re: Ace, Marcus and Randy). It's not doubt Ken is getting - for doubt we need to root for him first, and the editing hasn't gotten that far with his character. So Matty is our winner. He started weak, and he doesn't have a perfect edit, but he's all we've got. Although I would love for him to get a Marcusesque boot, with Susie as the surprise winner. Hey, anything is possible - as this season proved all too well. |
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Oops. I read spoilers. Yeah I'm gonna have to refrain for a while.... if anyone's interested there seem to be genuine spoilers now... but they will
mean you can't participate here.
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