ELECTION 08: PALINTOLOGY, SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION?

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CBRetriever

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Beefcake wrote:
As a single guy, I've never understood why gays want to get married, but if that's what they really want to do, it's fine with me. But I can't stand the hypocrisy of saying that gay marriage is a civil rights issue when it's really about saving money on taxes and health care.

If a partner in a gay relationship falls ill or is hospitalized for some reason, their parents can legally bar the otehr partner from any contact with their son or daughter because they're related to the patient and the other person isn't. In some hospitals, it's even worse, with only relatives allowed to see patients.

If the partner dies, then the parents can swoop in and take anything that doesn't legally belong to the surviving partner.

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You could also say that laws against employment discrimination are really about money too. Why can't civil rights involve money?

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On second thought, I can assure you that the gay people who want to get married are really invested in the "acceptance" aspect of it. They're raised to expect marriage, but can't have it if they're gay. It strikes me as kind of lame, but there you have it.

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2000?

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Yes, gays have all the rights they need (sarcasm)

Ban on gay adoption to go before Arkansas voters

By Jamie Skey • August 27, 2008 - 13:28

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A proposal aimed at barring gays and lesbians from becoming foster or adoptive parents has been cleared to appear on this autumn's ballot in Arkansas.

The measure would prohibit unmarried couples living together from fostering or adopting children.

Secretary of State Charlie Daniels certified the proposed initiative for the November 4 ballot after verifying that the Arkansas Family Council Action Committee had submitted 85,389 valid signatures of registered voters.

Supporters needed to turn in at least 61,974 valid signatures.

"Arkansas needs to affirm the importance of married mothers and fathers," Family Council president Jerry Cox said.

"We need to publicly affirm the gold standard of rearing children whenever we can. The state standard should be as close to that gold standard of married mom and dad homes as possible", he added.

The Family Council campaign is a response to a 2006 Arkansas Supreme Court decision striking down a state policy that specifically barred gays and lesbians from becoming foster parents.

The ballot measure would take the place of a state policy that currently bars unmarried couples living together from serving as foster parents.

The measure faces the threat of a lawsuit from groups who say that it unfairly discriminates against unmarried couples and limits the number of foster and adoptive homes available for children.

Arkansas Families First is campaigning against the measure and has said it plans to file a lawsuit to keep it from appearing on the November ballot.

Debbie Willhite, a lead consultant for the group, said last week the group has found numerous signatures that should have been rejected by the state as invalid and that they also plan to challenge the constitutionality of the measure.

Mississippi and Michigan have explicit policies banning same-sex couples from adopting, while the legal situation is unclear in many other states.

Single gay or lesbian people and same-sex couples are banned from adopting in Florida.

There are no specific restrictions on single gays adopting in any other state.

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That's just a bit.

And the monetary benefits you're bitching about I receive with my husband. Why shouldn't a gay committed couple deserve the same benefits?

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2000 knocked-up, unmarried, teen fundies

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I watched all the prime time coverage and as much as I could of the rest but I have a teen visiting me and she's not too excited about boring speeches.

I didn't think that McCain was awful, but I wasnt' that impressed with any of the speeches. All I got from these past two weeks is that it is setting up to be a hell of a ride until November. It could easily get really ugly.

I can't wait!

CBRetriever

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As reported in the Washington Post, Joe Lieberman is helping Palin learn all about foreign policy. Why would we want someone who has to learn on the job? Shouldn't the most qualified candidate have been chosen for the VP position?

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Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman is among several national security experts helping brief Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin on foreign policy issues as she prepares to hit the campaign trail while cramming for a debate with her Democratic opponent, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), in less than a month, according to officials from Sen. John McCain's campaign.

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Campaign officials and McCain foreign policy advisers called Palin a quick study who has sound judgment that will serve her in good stead on national security issues. But privately, some in the GOP foreign policy establishment voiced concern that McCain has turned to a relative neophyte on national security matters at a time when the United States is facing challenges ranging from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the nuclear activities of Iran and North Korea.

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As an example of Palin's international credentials, the McCain campaign on Thursday provided a list of 15 foreign trade representatives she has met with as governor, including officials from China, Thailand, Norway and Seychelles.

cramming for a debate - wow, sounds like college all over again

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(09/05/08 11:21 AM)

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ugly wouldn't be bad

the only interesting thing the past couple of weeks was Palin, both for the shit thrown at her and the shit she threw back

that said, she's so unqualified to be where she is

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bob2559 wrote:

springfeverish wrote:

Whether you are for or against nuclear power any candidate who proposes it as a partial solution is just looking for sound bites. You can't even build a fucking cell phone tower without the neighbors freaking out. Just what makes you think a new nuclear power plant could be built anywhere where it could be useful? It would bew held up for decades. Not saying I'm for or against nuclear, just that it's wishing thinking to think that it will be a viable part of our energy solution.

Agreed, the NIMBY's will be a substantial barrier to any manner of power generation, but let's examine how much more invasive "green" sources are...

What about solar power and windmills as an alternative source of energy? California is the leader in developing solar power. Its Solar Two Plant in the Mojave Desert has a peak output of 10 megawatts. In order to produce as much energy as a 1,000-megawatt nuclear reactor, its mirrors would have to occupy 127 square miles of land. The Solar Electric Generating System in Kramer Junction, CA has a higher output - 100 megawatts. This system currently generates 90 percent of the world's direct solar electricity. (It has rows of mirror-like shiny surfaces that focus sunlight onto tubes filled with therminol fluid running along the top of the array, which turns water into steam to power the turbines.) Its mirrors have to be washed every five to ten days to maintain a reasonable (70 percent) optical efficiency. It requires 33 square miles of mirrors for this system to produce as much electricity as one nuclear power plants. Also, solar plants require substantial government subsidies and tax credits to make the electricity they produce economically feasible.

The Nine Canyon Wind Project in my state completed its Phase II expansion last year, adding 12 new wind turbines to the previously existing 37. With the wind blowing hard, they have a peak output of 64 megawatts. Based on the average wind speed there it would take 50,000 wind turbines of this size, in a 300 square mile area, to generate the same amount of electricity one nuclear power plant produces. (If they were made to the height of a 20-story building, it would take only 1,000 windmills to produce that amount of power.)

Windmills kill a lot of birds. They act as bait and executioner for birds because rodent populations multiply rapidly at their base, and the birds get killed trying to get at them. The windmills on Altamont Pass east of San Francisco, for example, kill eight times as many bald eagles each year as those that died in the one-time Valdez oil spill in Alaska. This is also a problem with solar energy. Bird deaths per megawatt of electricity generated by solar plants are higher than at Altamont Pass, a result of their flying into its mirror-like surfaces. Despite the enthusiasm politicians and the media exhibit for solar and wind power, these sources of energy, compared with nuclear power, produce tiny amounts electricity; and they harm the environment. They cannot replace fossil fuels, or nuclear power.

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I actually agree with you about nuclear being a cleaner energy source but it'll be almost impossible to overcome the NIMBY factor. Have you ever been to a local township or school board meeting when a road or school is trying to be built? When I was on a school board task force to look for a location to build a new elementary school, you would have thought it was a prison to house al qaeda terrorists. My big mistake was being on the redistricting committee and having to listen to all those parents wailing how their Mackensies and Zacharys were going to be scarred for life by having to go to a new school. And you want to build a power plant within a hundred miles of their precious spawn? Good luck with that.

As for the nuclear waste we can just ship it off to Alaska and tell Sarah Palin it's God's will.

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So who is giving McCain an economics crash course?
Wow...Lieberman...career suicide, much?

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Fred Thompson was a pretty good speaker, but if I had to listen to Lieberman's speech one more time the night I spent in ER, I was gonna go ballistic and break every single TV monitor in the place - 5 times is way too much

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lmfao!!! after the rnc closed last night they said palin's publicist said 'you won't be seeing much of her between now and next wednesday. she'll be training and studying and getting to know where mccain is on issues and getting familiar with this whole process........................' wtf. for fuckin' real?

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>2000 posts in 3 days. Ain't we chatty and spry.

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and witty and gay

oh, wait, I can't use gay in that sense any more and nothing else seems to fit

sigh

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wtf. for fuckin' real?

It sounds like the entire campaign needs to be schooled on whatever it is McCain believes.

Katie Couric with Cindy McCain:

Couric: And do you believe Roe V. Wade should be overturned?

McCain: No. no.

Couric: No. Why not? Your husband does.

McCain: No. I don't think he does.

Couric: He believes it should be overturned. That's what he told me, and that it should go to the states.

McCain: Well, in that respect. Yes, yeah, I do. I understand what you're saying now. It's a states issue.

Couric: So, you believe it should be overturned or shouldn't be overturned.

McCain: I believe it's a states issue. That I do believe.

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Or..."Please Katie, don't make me disagree with my husband...
I just got the cast off."

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The windmills on Altamont Pass east of San Francisco, for example, kill eight times as many bald eagles each year as those that died in the one-time Valdez oil spill in Alaska.

What? What does that mean in real numbers? That statement is garbage. Was it one killed in the Valdez Spill and eight killed by windmills, or 100 versus 800? Whenever someone uses an argument like that I tend to discount everything else they say.

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figures can't lie, but liars can figure

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McCain's education policy was so ridiculous. "Help teachers find another line of work". Are you serious?! Yes we just have sooo many math and science teachers to just toss away.

In all fairness, Obama hasn't really talked about education that much either.

I have to say if I was working at the RNC convention, I would so fire that guy who suggested have a green background screen.

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