Survivor Gabon Boot Spoilers (and speculation) all say Bob loses from day 1

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FranklinBluth		#1881	[-]
Posts: 3093 (11/07/08 12:08 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Could the next boots be Bob, Corine, & Charlie. At the final 6 could Sugar/Matt/Susie/Randy team up and take out Ken/Crystal? Sugar has had a positive edit. Randy/Matty/Susie had an alliance on the first fang tribe. Randy/Matty have been spared a lot from the original Fang edit. X
ncassaro		#1882	[-]
Posts: 229 (11/07/08 12:14 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Crystal for sure made a jump to a positive edit tonight after last week's disaster... she was shown to be strategic, and very protective of her alliance. Honestly they're very manipulative, because I couldn't stand her last week and I loved her this week.
James Barber		#1883	[-]
Posts: 14491 (11/07/08 12:19 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ncassaro wrote: Crystal for sure made a jump to a positive edit tonight after last week's disaster... she was shown to be strategic, and very protective of her alliance. Honestly they're very manipulative, because I couldn't stand her last week and I loved her this week. She's been very hard to take in the episodes as well as the Insider clips. I wonder if this sudden attempt to make her less negative is a sign she may be going soon. If it was supposed to be a redemption arc you'd think they would have taken things slower. Maybe Ken betrays her? I guess we'll see who gets the edit of talking about being a good person and others being bad people. That sounds like her to me. Randy's edit is still where I'm most curious. They continue to have little meaningless bits that don't fit for a villain or a negative cartoon, like how upset he was about voting Dan out. A decision that the team would later come to regret.
ozzy		#1884	[-]
Posts: 9 (11/07/08 1:44 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rower wrote: Crystal and Kenny are very tight and I agree that Crystal's edit tonight was her best. She is mentally tough and has shown herself to be a "good person" by not going with the easy "let's boot Kenny" angle Marcus was throwing out. She has a completely trusting relationship with Kenny and I see them "outwitting" everyone else. Matty lied to Sugar about Ace's plan to blind-side her and as Sugar showed tonight, she too is in the game. She will find out that Matty lied and that will be what sinks Matty and cements Sugar's relationship with Kenny and Crystal. Randy's obvious irritation at Matty during the previews shows me that Randy has a hard time masking his true feelings. I can't see Matty ever feeling safe as long as Randy is around. I think that NuNuFong will lose the next challenge and target Matty. They do not know that Sugar has the HII and even if they do find out, they won't see her giving it to Matty. I think she will give it to Matty and then Matty and Sugar will blind-side Randy. Yes he has been given a big edit but his comments this week sound very much like someone who is so full of themselves (Like "I don't need not stinkin' HII cause I got the numbers" Marcus) they won't see the danger until it bites them is the ass. I'm not sure if this will happen next week or not but I see it happening. (Randy and Corrine are two that couldn't conceive of having something as valuable as the HII and giving it up to save someone else) Charlie and Bob are more curosities at this point. Bob is cool but will be unable to switch up his game plan and that will lead to his demise. Charlie will be a basket case once he finds out that Marcus is out of the game and will lose interest in staying around especially when he knows that Marcus is all by his little self at the loser lodge. All I know for sure is that the season is getting better each week. What did matty lie about to sugar? I thought he was clarifying to sugar that ken and crystal lied to her, about ace throwing sugar under the bus and wanting to get rid of her. Thats why sugar started crying i believe in front of matty. Matty said maybe later on ace would have wanted her gone, but not now. I dont think matty lied about anything rower. Last Edited By: ozzy 11/07/08 1:46 AM. Edited 1 times.
A Dying Clown		#1885	[-]
Posts: 6848 (11/07/08 4:05 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	They also showed Matty and Sugar badmouthing Ken in tonight's episode, so that doesn't suggest a "good" alliance working against the "bad". They weren't badmouthing Ken, they were calling him out - Matty is, as Probst said, "too honest for the game". It's a shame he wasn't on Kota with Bob instead of Ken since they might have bonded and prevented the obvious Bob boot at the next Kota-council. Ken seems like a logical winner, in that he's puny enough for everyone to trust him and once the Kota-6 are gone, he should have the numbers to make the end and was present at enough votes to make the case that he played the game. But his edit's been poor and the few opportunities to make him come across smartly have usually been denied - even this episode focused on Susie being stupid more than Ken/Crystal being smart.
taigark		#1886	[-]
Posts: 445 (11/07/08 6:10 AM) Hey! I kinda like it here! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	sunflower101 wrote: Rabint6 wrote: I definately see the loss of Marcus prompting charlie/corrine/randy to try to pull Sugar in. They know they are down to only 4 now with Marcus gone and Suzie flipping....and they have to assume Bob is a lost cause over there by himself. They need Sugar so expect them to lay it on thick. However, I really do think that because of their mutual relationship with Ace, Sugar will want to help Matty. My prediction for next week. Kota loses.....bye bye Bob. Fang loses......Sugar slips the idol to Matty.....bye bye Randy. (although my preferred boot order would be Corrine - Charlie - Randy). Either way, next weeks episode will really be all about the reactions to the Marcus boot........cant effin wait. Maybe Charlie will kill himself. One can only hope. But in the end, i wouldnt for one second believe that Sugar would join the other 3.....especially when she sees that old Fang has the upper hand on the other tribe. edited to include the possibility (which now that i think about it, could be very likely) that next week Randy jumps ship to matty and sugar now that the Kota 6 has crumbled I can easily see Matty/Sugar jumping over to Randy. They don't seem to happy with Ken/Crystal because of the Ace boot. EDIT: Didn't watch this episode, yet. Last Edited By: taigark 11/07/08 8:12 AM. Edited 1 times.
moyanks		#1887	[-]
Posts: 91 (11/07/08 8:05 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Spoilers that the onion alliance to the end sucks. It's up to Corinne and Charlie now. Too bad to see Marcus go. Just like last time how Oz got voted out. IT"S TOO EARLY (Suckers). The superhero is out. It sucks. I'm out of here aswell. Haha Damn! (ala Ron Simmons)!
xratedlovestory		#1888	[-]
Posts: 243 (11/07/08 9:04 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i still don't get how the Good vs. Evil thing will play out, sorry.
A Dying Clown		#1889	[-]
Posts: 6856 (11/07/08 10:19 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i still don't get how the Good vs. Evil thing will play out, sorry. I'm more confused Probst said the "good, pretty people" who don't want the others to win - it seems certain Matty and Sugar are part of that "good" side. I'm most confused about Ken - if Sugar could realises she's been betrayed and get rid of the "evil" schemer Ken, or they could all be aligned against the "bullying" (??) Marcus. If he stays (ugh) I can see the "evil" remaining Onions vs remaining Fang members being more likely as soon as the OTTPP Bob leaves next.
rower	Gabon Boot Spoilers and Spec	#1890	[-]
Posts: 1720 (11/07/08 10:23 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ozzy: Matty told Sugar that Ace didn't plan to blindside her and that was a lie. Recall also that both Matty and Ace had decided that Sugar was a waste at challanges and that was why they were going to vote her out. Ace had in fact plotted with Matty to get Sugar to give him [Ace] back the HII with the intention of blind-siding her at tribal. Ace told Kenny about the plan and Kennly told Sugar. When Ace asked Sugar for the HII back (they were down on the dock), it validated for Sugar what Kenny had told her about Ace's plan. I don't recall whether Kenny also implicated Matty in the plan but you can be sure that Matty was worried that Sugar knew about his part. So Matty did lie to Sugar when he told her that Ace was not plotting to vote her out because Ace was going to do exactly that. Matty had to lie to Sugar this episode because he was afraid that Sugar would go back to the Fong fold. He needed to secure her loyality.
rower	Gabon Boot Spoilers	#1891	[-]
Posts: 1721 (11/07/08 10:31 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Matty and Sugar weren't really calling Kenny out. Matty was telling Sugar that Kenny/Crystal lied to her about Ace wanting to throw Sugar under the bus. Sugar cried becasue at this point she believes that Matty is telling her the truth when it fact, it was Matty and Ace who had decided that Sugar was a waste at challanges and that if Ace could get the HII back, they could blind-side Sugar and be sitting pretty. Kenny outed the plan to Sugar and didn't lie. Thanks to Corrine and Randy's penchant to mouth ott, it is going to become evident to both Matty and Sugar that their best chance is not with joing the onion group. They will realign with Crystal and Kenny (and now Sugar) when the tribes merge. Kenny will get the chance to straighten things out with Sugar and it wouldn't surprise me if Sugar confronts Matty to get at the truth of the matter. Matty will own up to his fairy tale and that will kill any remaining loyality that Sugar has to Matty over Kenny and Crystal. Speculation but that's my story and I'm sticking with it!!
ozzy		#1892	[-]
Posts: 10 (11/07/08 11:29 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rower wrote: Matty and Sugar weren't really calling Kenny out. Matty was telling Sugar that Kenny/Crystal lied to her about Ace wanting to throw Sugar under the bus. Sugar cried becasue at this point she believes that Matty is telling her the truth when it fact, it was Matty and Ace who had decided that Sugar was a waste at challanges and that if Ace could get the HII back, they could blind-side Sugar and be sitting pretty. Kenny outed the plan to Sugar and didn't lie. Thanks to Corrine and Randy's penchant to mouth ott, it is going to become evident to both Matty and Sugar that their best chance is not with joing the onion group. They will realign with Crystal and Kenny (and now Sugar) when the tribes merge. Kenny will get the chance to straighten things out with Sugar and it wouldn't surprise me if Sugar confronts Matty to get at the truth of the matter. Matty will own up to his fairy tale and that will kill any remaining loyality that Sugar has to Matty over Kenny and Crystal. Speculation but that's my story and I'm sticking with it!! I disagree with you. Point is, ken said before tribal council, he was going to lie to sugar about ace. So ken lied to sugar about ace talking trash about her and about him voting sugar out. I dont know where you got this plan to vote out sugar this early. Ace most likely was going to do that later on in the game, but not now. Both ace and matty wrote crystals name down, not sugar. I think you should watch the episode again in which ace got voted out.
Apple6666		#1893	[-]
Posts: 323 (11/07/08 11:43 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Do you the next esipose is a blindsided randy esipose.
JVJrule		#1894	[-]
Posts: 1960 (11/07/08 1:28 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I still like to think that the Good people will be Corinne, Charlie. Especially now that Marcus is gone. They're gonna label themselves the good and Susie, Crystal, and Ken as ugly bad people. Final 3 of Susie, Crystal and Ken? I don't see any of the 2 remaning OrigOnions even making it near the finals. If they do, it will be a big shock, it really will. So how does the jury work now? They visit TC but they only get to see the dynamics of the losing tribe?
JFerrero		#1895	[-]
Posts: 4 (11/07/08 1:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Based on the edit and JP's "spoilers" I think Kenny and Randy are final two. Since this whole season is allegedly good vs evil, it would be fitting that the "smartest" of the "good" and the "best" of the "evil" face-off. I Think Sugar goes far with her immunity idol/not being a threat to win any challenges and makes top 3. I definitley don't see Matty as final 3 since JP said he's too honest to win this game and no one wants him around for the final immunity challenege since it's usually an endurance challenge. Crystal runs off at the mouth, per JP, I think she's maybe 4 or 5. She'll get on someone's nerves sooner or later. Corrine and Charlie- I just don't see how they have the numbers. Bob or Susie- who the hell knows. They are unthreatening, but annoying. This season is so unpredictable. It will be interesting to see if the tribes merge next week, who Sugar/Matty align with or if they'll split.
MMan9000		#1896	[-]
Posts: 150 (11/07/08 2:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I assume that the merge is going to be at 8 this season. If the merge was going to happen in the next episode, I'm sure they would've hyped it more than they did. Maybe it's just me, but I can see both Fang and Kota attempting to throw the next immunity challenge. Fang to try to re-gain majority post-merge, and Kota to insure their majority post-merge.
James Barber		#1897	[-]
Posts: 14494 (11/07/08 3:55 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think Kenny and Randy are final two. Since this whole season is allegedly good vs evil, it would be fitting that the "smartest" of the "good" and the "best" of the "evil" face-off. I'm still not sure if Ken's alliance is supposed to be "good". If it is, they missed a ton of opportunities to make them even slightly more likable. I think Ken's alliance sees themselves as being good, as being better than everyone else. They weren't badmouthing Ken, they were calling him out - Matty is, as Probst said, "too honest for the game". It's a shame he wasn't on Kota with Bob instead of Ken since they might have bonded and prevented the obvious Bob boot at the next Kota-council. Ken seems like a logical winner, in that he's puny enough for everyone to trust him and once the Kota-6 are gone, he should have the numbers to make the end and was present at enough votes to make the case that he played the game. But his edit's been poor and the few opportunities to make him come across smartly have usually been denied - even this episode focused on Susie being stupid more than Ken/Crystal being smart. My point was that they played up Matty and Sugar being upset with Ken. To me that doesn't suggest an alliance which will want to get back together. I agree with you about Ken's edit.
cindidindi76		#1898	[-]
Posts: 13223 (11/07/08 4:32 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ozzy: Matty told Sugar that Ace didn't plan to blindside her and that was a lie. Recall also that both Matty and Ace had decided that Sugar was a waste at challanges and that was why they were going to vote her out. Ace had in fact plotted with Matty to get Sugar to give him [Ace] back the HII with the intention of blind-siding her at tribal. Ace told Kenny about the plan and Kennly told Sugar. When Ace asked Sugar for the HII back (they were down on the dock), it validated for Sugar what Kenny had told her about Ace's plan. I don't recall whether Kenny also implicated Matty in the plan but you can be sure that Matty was worried that Sugar knew about his part. Really? Because what I remember is that Ace said he didn't want to get rid of Sugar and that he'd rather get rid of Crystal, and since that's who they ended up voting for, I'm not sure how that turns into "they were planning on voting out Sugar".
rower	Gabon Boot Spoiler spec	#1899	[-]
Posts: 1722 (11/07/08 5:04 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I did watch the episode again. Matty brought it up with Ace that Sugar was a waste in the challenges. Both Matty and Ace were trash talking Sugar's abilities. The plan was that Ace would get the HII from Sugar and that Matty and Ace would blind-side her. It was Matty who told Kenny that Sugar was on the block. Those plans changed when Sugar didn't cough up the HII as expected. and were further complicated by the fact that Marcus picked Sugar to award immunity too after he won the barrel roll. Prior to that both Matty and Ace had decided that Sugar was going to be the next to go because she was so bad at challenges. When they couldn't vote for Sugar thier vote switched to Crystal who was next on their list.
SurvivorFanGP		#1900	[-]
Posts: 9439 (11/07/08 5:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm still not sure if Ken's alliance is supposed to be "good". If it is, they missed a ton of opportunities to make them even slightly more likable. I think Ken's alliance sees themselves as being good, as being better than everyone else. Yeah, 'cause Charlie/Corinne/Randy are the ones we're supposed to get behind. (That was sarcasm. ) It's a matter of opinion. Point blank, no matter what your opinion is, or if you actually don't like them, I think it's obvious that original Fang is supposed to be the ones viewers are rooting for. But Sugar/Matty I assume are some favorites, so if they side with Corinne/Randy/Charlie, and one of them wins, I can see Jeff's statement that the finals has people that we're going to like. And if they did join that alliance, I easily see it being Matty/Sugar in the end. I think Matty wins in that scenario. If they side with Ken/Crystal/Susie, I think Ken wins.

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