I will never vote for the Cons as their political ideology makes me gag.
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SurvivorArctic |
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It is eye opening, dhc, that the alternatives were that repugnant.
I will never vote for the Cons as their political ideology makes me gag. |
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drinkinghotchocolate |
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I vote Conservative (except, I've been away on business the last two elections so I haven't voted in a while). I honestly don't see much of a
difference in the governing policies of them versus the Liberals. I think a lot of people are terrified of Harper (which, he's been throwing gas on that
fire as of late) but seriously, other than the ridiculous motions he was trying to stuff down our throats recently - what had they done in the prior 2 years
that was really that sickening?
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TheresNoPlaceLike 127 0 0 1 |
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Removing equality from the mandate of the Status of Women in Canada is one that comes to mind.
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SurvivorArctic |
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what had they done in the prior 2 years that was really that sickening?
existed and what TheresNoPlaceLike 127 0 0 1 said. That pissed me off to no end. I have been voting against the Cons since Mulroney and I intend to continue doing so. Harper's ideological perspective may be different than Mulroney's but it is equally as abhorrent to me. Although, I like him better than Dion. |
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drinkinghotchocolate |
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TheresNoPlaceLike 127 0 0 1 wrote: This is where not paying much attention to the news screws me over. I'm basing my opinion mostly on the 2007 budget which I thought was excellent, and the fact that I wasn't aware of any extremely controversial legislation or actions. Plus, my immense hate-on for the liberals fueled by that sponsorship mess. Although I'm the first to agree, the shit he just recently tried to pull is pretty abhorrent, and certainly lends a lot of weight to the Liberal "This guy is the devil incarnate" argument |
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AshBender |
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They put the would "equality" back in, but didn't bring back the federal funding for women's organizations to do their advocacy work. ETA..
from further reading.. apparently funding of some sort did come back, but was directed at a new program (Women's Partnership Program) rather than the old
one, but both basically still do the same thing.
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SurvivorArctic |
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This was sent to me at work (heh - considering where I work - heh):
Ten arguments against a coalition, and how to debunk them .Today at 9:40am, By David Fernandes. 1) The lib-ndp coalition is a 'coup'. Actually, a coup is an illegal seizure of power. A coalition government is not only legal, it's constitutional, has happened before in Canada and is commonplace all over the world. 2) It's an 'unholy alliance' because it relies on the Bloc for support. I'm curious as to what a 'holy' alliance is? The Bloc is a federal political party that advocates for Quebecers in the same way that the Conservatives are a federal political party that advocates for rich people. What's your point? The Bloc is left of centre and so is the NDP. Occasionally, when opportune, so are the Liberals. It is a strategic alliance, not a religious one. 3) The coalition is a cheap power grab by sore losers. Political parties exist for one reason: to enact legislation that they believe is in the best interests of their constituents. Harper certainly tries. If one or more opposition parties decide they can agree on enough things to run the government, then power to them. Grab it. Both hands. 4) This is a 'socialist' / 'communist' plot to take over the country!!!!!!! There's a great movie from the 80's called Red Dawn. Watch it. It all came true. The USSR parachuted in millions of soldiers into your neighbours' living rooms, and they all voted NDP and Liberal, Bloc and Green - well, ok, only 62% of them did. Lock your doors. They look just like you. 5) We need Stephen Harper right now because he's an economist He's an economist that thinks that selling your country's public assets, bullying its employees and silencing its opposition is a plausible 'ways and means' to run a country in the face of the largest economic crisis since 1929. They have provided nothing in terms of economic protection for Canadian home owners and renters and nothing to Canada's largest employing industries - manufacturing and automotive. So, if that is the type of economist Harper is, I would much rather have a lawyer and a professor running the country. And if they can figure out how to work with a separatist party in a framework that is stable and progressive, than all the more power to them. 6) Ha! I knew it! The NDP-BLOC planned this all months ago - Jack Layton said so! It's a 'backroom scheme'. Layton and Duceppe speak regularly as opposition leaders and made contingency plans like any other opposition parties do in a minority parliament. In fact, in 2005 the conservatives bloc and NDP were signatories to a letter to the governor general asking her to consider all her alternatives in the event of a dissolution of parliament - IE, the possibility of a coalition. The only 'scandal' here is that the tories illegally recorded and broadcast a private conversation, when they knew they were invited to it accidently. 7) The people voted for Stephen Harper! You are trying to overturn the election results! Actually, the people voted for political parties. They gave the tories a minority, which means, the prime minister must work WITH the other parties in order to pass so little as a fart. In Canada, our parliament has a sort of checks and balance system called 'responsible government', which means, the ruling party - the party that gets to form the government, must enjoy the 'confidence' of the house. Usually that means they need the majority of the votes to stay in power. The conservatives do not have a majority of the seats and have shown unprecedented (even for them) callousness and shortsightedness in their economic update and have lost the confidence of the house. Therefore, the GOVERNOR GENERAL must decide whether to call an election, or to give power to another group of parties. 8) Canadians did not vote for a 'coalition government'. No one voted for Harper to act like a demagogic jackass either. The opposition parties, representing 54% and of the seats in the house - the majority - have every right to try and form a government. They will do so with a formal agreement that outlines how they will work together, and what legislative priorities they will have. Those priorities were voted on by Canadians and in fact more Canadians voted for the policies of the bloc, NDP and liberals than did the conservatives. Furthermore, those priorities will have to be a compromise of sorts between the three parties. This kind of negotiating ensures that policies that Canadians DID vote for DO get enacted. 9) The Bloc is a SEPARATIST PARTY!! THEY WANT TO DESTROY CANADA!!! The Bloc is a FEDERAL political party that operates only in Quebec. And whether or not they are separatist, there is no way at all they could 'destroy Canada' by voting in the Canadian parliament and no way that the Liberals of the NDP would support a Quebec separation motion. Furthermore, the Bloc represent 65% of the seats in Quebec and are strong advocates of publicly funded and delivered social programs for all Canadians and Quebeckers, peaceful use of our military, pay equity and a long list of other progressive legislative ideas. A coalition would work with the Bloc to identify progressive ideas that they could implement for a 2.5 year period. 10) The NDP should not enter an 'unholy alliance' with the liberals because it will weaken their policies. As it stands right now, the NDP is the fourth largest party in the parliament with 37 seats. Entering into a coalition with the liberals would give them 6 of 24 cabinet positions and would guarantee that at least some of their platform is implemented. The NDP could never accomplish this sitting by itself in opposition and frankly, it is high time the NDP start acting like a real power broker in parliament. That's why we elected them. And heck, what better proof of your ability to govern is there than governing? |
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Vicconius |
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David Fernandes sure told us.
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bucking fitch |
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Somewhere, Elizabeth May is popping the cork on her champagne bottle.
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bassoon291 |
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I'll be watching Harper's thing tonight fer shure.
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Jakob Speed |
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JACK LAYTON WAS PROMISED THE DEPUTY PM POSITION!!!
That means under PARLIAMENTARY LAW, if Dion gets killed by a bus, plane crash or has a stroke JACK LAYTON IS PRIME MINISTER. |
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Vicconius |
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Elizabeth May popping a blood vessel would be more entertaining.
I'm growing closer and closer to the opinion that there is no good way out of this mess for Canada and that Dion and Layton's power lust has opened a Pandora's box that cannot be closed again. In 20 years time Canada will be a totally different place... roughly this shape.
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bucking fitch |
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Jakob Speed wrote: I've already added Dion to my 2009 Deathpool list. |
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Jakob Speed |
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The six NDP Cabinet positions are all social services / environmental portfolios.
That'll hit Canada in the pocketbook |
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bassoon291 |
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JACK LAYTON WAS PROMISED THE DEPUTY PM POSITION!!! I thought I'd never see that day, but, well... here we are. |
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Jakob Speed |
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Jack can do for Canada what he and his NDP cabal did for Toronto...
convert it from being one of the cleanest cities in the Western world, with a top 3 transit system, and economically thriving, into a smelly, filthy toilet of a city, that is socially and economically broke. |
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Driv |
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Bloc part of secret coalition plot in 2000 with Canadian AllianceA document obtained by The Globe and Mail shows that the scheme would have propelled then Alliance leader Stockwell Day to power in the coalition. A lawyer who was described then as being close to Day, says he didn't discuss the matter with the MPslink |
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Jakob Speed |
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We overthrew Day when he led a REGIONAL party (I was part of the New Day revolt that ousted him), and no one in their right mind would elect Day to lead a
national party..
Todays Liberals can't say the same about Dion. |
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Driv |
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true enough, though it does kinda throw the Tories' argument that they'd never jump into bed with the separatists out the window.
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Jakob Speed |
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The Reform/Canadian Alliance and Conservatives are a 100 miles apart and the Reform/Canadian Alliance platform never would have gotten Harper elected to a
Minority government.
Day and Manning's parties never would have recognized Quebec as distinct, or tabled 90% of the policies sucessfully passed by the Harper Conservatives. |
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