QSF Daily Recrap Day 62, Memphis Back in the Driver's Seat, Post 401

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ANBU Hidden Leaf		#321	[-]
Posts: 278 (08/26/08 8:50 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thanks for the updates!
craig		#322	[-]
Posts: 13777 (08/26/08 9:41 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ollie and Michelle are just too stupid to live. They think that Dan is a plant because nothing he has done makes sense to them. They still haven't gotten to their "aha" moment where they realize that there is a real alliance of 4 in the house against them. I have a hard time getting a read of Dan too - what he is really about, when he's fake and when he's genuine, etc. I don't blame Michelle for speculating. Perhaps be seeming a crazy wildcard, Dan will be less of a target or less hated than someone the outsiders know is solidly against them like Memphis or Keesha.
Nods		#323	[-]
Posts: 2490 (08/26/08 10:31 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't buy the whole "Dan has lost Jury Votes Argument", remember Dick won his season over Dani and he destroyed the people on the jury. There is always just a little misogyny when it comes to the final votes, in the history of shows like this the men always beat the women in the final jury Will over Nicole - with all the women save Autumn voting Will Boogie over Erika - with all the women voted for Boogie Dick over Dani - with all the women save Jen voting for Dick If Dan or Memphis is in the final two against Renny/Keesha then Michelle/Libra/April will most likely vote for the men over the women. It's also common in Survivor where two a women has beaten a male in the finals it was the males on the Jury(Dan/Alex/Rob and Tom/Lex) that caused that win not the female jurors. I think Dan is actually going to pick up the two final four votes as well as April/Michelle, Michelle is a very insecure woman and she will vote for a male so that she can get affirmation and with that shift other voters tend to sway so as to not look like they are on the losing side.
quietsurvivorfan		#324	[-]
Posts: 16372 (08/26/08 10:42 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Everyone hated Nicole, it was her personality, not her sex, that lost her the votes against Will And let's face it, Will wrote the book on how to finesse your way to a win in Big Brother. Erika was disrespected by the jury because the all stars wanted balls out play, and hated the floaters. This was a theme through the whole season. She wasn't perceived to be a player but a floater, so by default boogie got the nod. And the jury knew they blew it by not booting Boogie and Will from the start. So boogie got that nod as an acknowledgement from the jury that he just outplayed them by not getting booted as early as he should have, due to his tight friendship with Will. Daniele played a really bad social game. She made it obvious to everyone in the house that she hated them and hated the house. Because she played such a bad social game, she lost the votes before they went to the jury. That jury respected Dick, although they hated him too, because he was such a ballsy, over the top player. They also hated the fact they had to give the win to that family. Had Dick taken anyone else to the end, he would have lost, even to zach, and zach was the skeevy player in that season. Dan won't win this game. He doesn't have time to recover the 4 votes he lost this week. Last Edited By: quietsurvivorfan 08/26/08 10:44 AM. Edited 1 times.
Nods		#325	[-]
Posts: 2491 (08/26/08 11:56 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	quietsurvivorfan wrote: Everyone hated Nicole, it was her personality, not her sex, that lost her the votes against Will And let's face it, Will wrote the book on how to finesse your way to a win in Big Brother. Erika was disrespected by the jury because the all stars wanted balls out play, and hated the floaters. This was a theme through the whole season. She wasn't perceived to be a player but a floater, so by default boogie got the nod. And the jury knew they blew it by not booting Boogie and Will from the start. So boogie got that nod as an acknowledgement from the jury that he just outplayed them by not getting booted as early as he should have, due to his tight friendship with Will. Daniele played a really bad social game. She made it obvious to everyone in the house that she hated them and hated the house. Because she played such a bad social game, she lost the votes before they went to the jury. That jury respected Dick, although they hated him too, because he was such a ballsy, over the top player. They also hated the fact they had to give the win to that family. Had Dick taken anyone else to the end, he would have lost, even to zach, and zach was the skeevy player in that season. Dan won't win this game. He doesn't have time to recover the 4 votes he lost this week. And don't forget Survivor which plays a similar game and style Todd over Courtney and Amanda Earl over Cassandra Yul over Becky Aras over Dani Tom over Katie Chris over Twila Ethan over Kim Rich over Kelly A female hasn't beaten a Male on a jury vote in a long time(Amber over Rob), females also tend to vote against their gender and this jury will be female heavy. You are arguing against a 79% likely hood of male's winning over females, also consider Jury performance do you see Renny or Keesha articulating there position or do you see Memphis or Dan coming up with solid arguments. And thats if their is a gender divide this year, you could very well see a Memphis/Dan final two. I can almost garentee that Dan will pick the jurors at the 3 and 4 slot, and I can see April/Ollie swinging over to support Dan after scurtiny from TPTB. You bring up Nicoles peronality well how where the personalities of Krista (people did't respect her) Autumn (who was a joke) Shannon (who was a bitch). You bring up Erika as a floater well Jani floated, she alligned with every male on the jury, Dani floated, the girls that didn't float Diane and Nicomis where also two of the first three women voted out. Dani didn't lose because of her social game, Dani lost because Jessica/Dustin/Amber are followers and looked to Eric as the Alpha male of the group and followed what he said (vote Dick), if Eric argued for Dani then they would have voted Dani. Don't be shocked if the beta personalities on the jury(Ollie, and Michelle) don't follow and vote for Dan because he is the alpha male in the house.
AmbersDaughter		#326	[-]
Posts: 8 (08/26/08 12:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thanks for the excellent recaps. I love the idea that Dan gave Ollie a kick in the teeth. Everyone who buys into a promise on BB deserves the same. I love the idea that Michelle is sputtering and fuming after thinking she was safe. With any luck, maybe her pea brain will explode and she'll die of a stroke. This is truly where the fun is found in BB. Dan may be a dumbass. But he has generated more fun than any other contestant I can remember. Truly excellent entertainment. Last Edited By: AmbersDaughter 08/26/08 12:58 PM. Edited 1 times.
AllMenAreIslands		#327	[-]
Posts: 24087 (08/26/08 12:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	quietsurvivorfan wrote: Dan won't win this game. He doesn't have time to recover the 4 votes he lost this week. Thanks again for the recaps, QSF. Question about Dan for you - if he had nominated Ollie as the replacement instead of Michelle, would Dan still have lost that whole group's votes? Was Dan pretty much screwed once he decided to honor only half the deal?
Oowatanite		#328	[-]
Posts: 5592 (08/26/08 4:27 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	quietsurvivorfan wrote: Daniele played a really bad social game. She made it obvious to everyone in the house that she hated them and hated the house. Because she played such a bad social game, she lost the votes before they went to the jury. That jury respected Dick, although they hated him too, because he was such a ballsy, over the top player. I disagree. Before the jury questions in BB8, both Dani and Dick thought that Dani would win easily. So did almost every suckster. After the jury questions, both Dani and Dick thought that Dick would win easily. So did almost every suckster. What changed ? Eric voting for Dick as America's Player (no problem). And Eric campaigning HARD for Dick in the jury house (problem). There is no way in hell that Zach votes for Dick to win. There is no way in hell that Amber votes for Dick to win. Grodner set it up for a Dick win and she got her wish. Dani played a bad social game, worse than Dick ? Bullshit. Sure Dani hung around with Nick too much and sure Dani whined a lot, but she was also much more friendly and non-threatening to the others, expecially furthur into the game. Did Dani trash others behind their backs ? Yup. Just like every single other HG in this season and pretty much every season. And Dick's and Eric's and Dustin's trashing was much much worse than the trashing done by the other HGs. Dani had the votes to win this season before they went to the jury. Eric's campaigning on behalf of ~~Dick~~ Grodner lost the game for Dani.
Quiddity		#329	[-]
Posts: 3420 (08/26/08 4:35 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And don't forget Survivor which plays a similar game and style Todd over Courtney and Amanda Earl over Cassandra Yul over Becky Aras over Dani Tom over Katie Chris over Twila Ethan over Kim Rich over Kelly That's irrelevent. You have to take into account the style of the players. Katie was an ultra goat. Twila was a goat. Many other players like Kim, Dani and Becky did nothing that earned them respect from the jury. Its not that they were women thats the reason that they lost. Its that they didn't play as good a game as the other person, or backstabbed to many that caused them to lose. Amazingly enough when the male is the poor player or the goat (a la Jenna vs. Matt or Amber vs Rob), surprise surprise, the woman won! You bring up Nicoles peronality well how where the personalities of Krista (people did't respect her) Autumn (who was a joke) Shannon (who was a bitch). How is that relevant? Krista got along fine with Chilltown and got booted out of the house because of Nicole (who nom'd her). Monica was Krista's best friend in the house and naturally was quite pissed that Nicole nom'd the both of them, getting Krista booted. Shannon was Will's girlfriend. Sheryl got along with Chilltown and only left because it was the first ever noms so there was no history to go on that it was a risk putting her up as a pawn. There were plenty of good reasons for these women to vote for Will and it had nothing to do with Nicole being a woman. You bring up Erika as a floater well Jani floated, she alligned with every male on the jury, Dani floated, the girls that didn't float Diane and Nicomis where also two of the first three women voted out. Doesn't that invalidate your point though? Cause Jani would have easily beat Boogie had she been facing him. Erika did nothing to earn people's respect. She committed one of the stupidest moves in BB history by nominating Danielle instead of Will at F6. She moronically nom'd Chicken George at F6 when they were aligned. She played ultra UTR and let Boogie stomp all over her. Thats why she earned no respect from the jury, aside from the typical single bitter gay guy who votes for the loser. :P Dani didn't lose because of her social game, Dani lost because Jessica/Dustin/Amber are followers and looked to Eric as the Alpha male of the group and followed what he said (vote Dick), if Eric argued for Dani then they would have voted Dani. Don't be shocked if the beta personalities on the jury(Ollie, and Michelle) don't follow and vote for Dan because he is the alpha male in the house. It was her social game. Dick told people things to their face. Dani ran off in the corner and complained about them in the other room. They both were dispicable human beings, the difference was that Dick did it in the open, she did it while hiding behind him. BTW, you mentioned only Jen voted for Dani, so did Jameka.
craig		#330	[-]
Posts: 13782 (08/26/08 4:51 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Keesha is seen as anti-women jealous skank, who wants to take out the girls and get with the boys. That will kill her with some jurors. Dan could have enough mastermind cred to pull off a win against Keesha. It's April that wears the pants, not Ollie, and she feels most betrayed by Keesha.
iluvbbsofun		#331	[-]
Posts: 249 (08/26/08 4:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Who would win in a F2 between Erica and Amanda (from Survivor)?
quietsurvivorfan		#332	[-]
Posts: 16376 (08/26/08 5:03 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think April will see screwing 3 people over in a deal (however idiotic it was to believe the deal would be followed) is a bigger afront, since it was done to her allies in the game, than her personal beef with Keesha. I think April will want to prove to Ollie how supportive she is as his bitch, thus, she will take on his outrage. She wants a relationship later on with him, so she isn't going to want to vote for the man that deballed her man in national tv (Ollie's perspective). Jani did NOT FLOAT in all stars. Just because of who she was, the most popular reality tv star in her time, and probably still is, she was a target from day 1. She played her game balls out the entire time. Erika was the total floater in that game, that is why she lost. Most of the major players that season all agreed they wanted to see the game played, not floated. Most of the jury had the same desire, to not reward a floater in all stars. Keesha is the ONLY person Dan can conceivably beat at the end. He loses hands down to everyone else. Dan is the only person Memphis can beat with this jury, he will lose to everyone else (I am not counting Jerry, he will be joining the jury soon). Renny beats them all at the end, so she will have the hardest journey to get to the final 2. Quiddity makes a good case regarding season 8. Notice the 2 jury votes that Dick got. The 2 that voted a Dani win were voting AGAINST Dick, not FOR Dani. I believe that half of Dick's votes were respect for his game, as weird and over the top as it was, and the other half were people voting against Dani because she wasn't that personable to the people i the house once Nick left. She had no friends there. Keesha's strong suit in this game is she has befriended people, and she does it at the right time in the game. Her one problem is April. They will never be friends. Keesha doesn't want girls she perceives to be an attractive "threat" to Keesha's queen bee need to be the hottest girl around, anywhere near her. That is one of the reasons she picked Angie to get out when she mounted her attack on the other group of 4 inside her large group of 8 when she won HOH. Michelle and Ollie are going to be more mad at Dan, as will Jerry, so I think Keesha will retain their vote if she is at the end against Dan. All she needs is Renny's vote, she wins. If Ollie is ball-less and votes for Dan, she needs Libra's vote, she wins. She is still sitting better with a jury than Dan. If Dan had not been so idiotic in how he dealt with this double cross, he would have saved 2 jury votes. Dumbass. Last Edited By: quietsurvivorfan 08/26/08 5:10 PM. Edited 1 times.
DAnn Coulter		#333	[-]
Posts: 3660 (08/26/08 5:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	quietsurvivorfan wrote: Daniele played a really bad social game. She made it obvious to everyone in the house that she hated them and hated the house. I haaaate thiiiiiiiiis hoooooooouussssse!!! Soooo fruuuuuussstratting.. Totally agree QSF. . the fact that Dick was more liked by the people he abused than she was says a whole lot about her horrible social gameplay.
quietsurvivorfan		#334	[-]
Posts: 16377 (08/26/08 5:15 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	D'ann, you very succinctly stated what I was trying to say. WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
James Barber		#335	[-]
Posts: 12758 (08/26/08 7:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	However, this late in the game, I think if by chance Ollie or Jerry win hoh this week ( ), they will still nominate the 2 guys together anyway. They said they would put up Memphis and Keesha. After their vile behavior throughout the game, I would rather not see Ollie or Jerry win anything. It wouldn't shake up drama that much (MKRD are already full of potential explosive drama, and could always end up booting one of their own at F5), and they don't deserve to be rewarded for how they have talked about people.
AmbersDaughter		#336	[-]
Posts: 9 (08/26/08 9:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dan really did handle his double cross in an idiotic way. He told almost everyone in the house they had to play that "roulette" game according to his rules and if they refused, they would be nominated. The result of that kind of strong arm tactic is almost certain to put Dan at the top of everyone else's shit list. But it seems to me, there are really three alliances now - Dan & Memphis - Jerry & Ollie - Keisha & Renny. Those three alliances could easily shift around and one could join with another to target the third. My guess is that at this time, things are extremely unpredictable. I think the word that government types use is "unstable". At least the house should not be boring for the next couple of days. Last Edited By: AmbersDaughter 08/26/08 9:06 PM. Edited 2 times.
James Barber		#337	[-]
Posts: 12764 (08/26/08 9:04 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AmbersDaughter wrote: Dan really did handle his double cross in an idiotic way. He told almost everyone in the house they had to play that "roulette" game according to his rules and if they refused, they would be nominated. The result of that kind of strong arm tactic is almost certain to put Dan at the top of everyone else's shit list. But it seems to me, there are really three alliances now - Dan & Memphis - Jerry & Ollie - Keisha & Renny. Those three alliances could easily shift around and one could join with another to target the third. My guess is that at this time, things are extremely unpredictable. I think the word that government types use is "unstable". At least the house should not be boring for the next couple of days. Keesha and Renny have the closest relationship in the house, but if Keesha wants to win, she can't go to F2 with Renny. Dan also has an F3 deal with Keesha and Renny. Memphis/Keesha and Dan/Keesha are also close. I don't think the roulette machinations did Dan any favors, but it didn't seem to significantly change house opinions of him. Memphis is the #1 target of Jerry and Ollie, then Dan is their second choice. Memphis and Keesha still want Jerry and Ollie out next. Renny has always been harder to read.
AmbersDaughter		#338	[-]
Posts: 10 (08/26/08 9:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Barber wrote: I don't think the roulette machinations did Dan any favors, but it didn't seem to significantly change house opinions of him. Memphis is the #1 target of Jerry and Ollie, then Dan is their second choice. Memphis and Keesha still want Jerry and Ollie out next. Renny has always been harder to read. You are probably correct. But it seems to me that Rennie has the brains and the guts to realize that she and Keesha are at the bottom of Dan and Memphis' F4. I think there's a real good chance she could approach Keesha and propose they talk to Ollie and Jerry along these lines: "We realize that in the past, we've had our differences. But, as it stands today, it seems like Dan has gone right off the deep end. Nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted or believed. He and Memphis seem to be on some kind of power trip and they don't seem to value Keesha and I as much as they are thinking of themselves." "So, we wanted to know how you might feel about the four of us agreeing to go to F4 together. The agreement would be that the four of us would stick together just until Dan and Memphis were gone. Would you like to do that? It seems to me that Ollie and Jerry would jump at the chance to get back into the game and Renny should be able to figure out that if she don't make a move, she will wind up at the bottom of Dan's F4 and that is not a good place to be. The beauty of this move is that it counters all of Dan's idiotic plan to "strong arm" the entire house to do things his way. This would put Dan at the bottom of the house instead of the top. Also, since Dan can't compete for the next HoH, it would mean that the four of them would be competing against Memphis for the next HoH and so the odds are very high that one of them will win HoH and be able to evict either Dan or Memphis. Last Edited By: AmbersDaughter 08/26/08 10:02 PM. Edited 5 times.
quietsurvivorfan	Day 50, Michelle is pissed, Ollie is still stupid, not much is going on	#339	[-]
Posts: 16383 (08/26/08 11:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^^ (to the post above) Sadly, I don't see Keesha making this move. Renny would be smart to be looking at her options moving forward, but she would have to do it in a very finessful way. I don't plan to do a recrap today. I haven't had the feeds on much. The little bit I did reading what is going on, we have the usual sour grapes stuff going on with the people out of power. They aren't saying very nice things about the other 4. Michelle crossed the line big time by insinuating that she thinks Dan shouldn't be allowed to work around children. They are still convinced he is a fraud, and probably not a coach. Jerry had to smack these 2 upside the head to get them to realize the other 4 are really in an alliance together. How can Ollie still be this oblivious with everything that has happened this week? What a dumbass. Michelle is still going. She is pissed they didn't give them alcohol tonite. Joker's thinks Ollie is getting a penalty nom on Thursday. They would have already done that if they were going to after Ollie's temper tantrum this week. When Jen decided to eat, BB had that penalty decided before eviction day, to keep the game fair and level. It is a week by week game. I expect more of the same tomorrow. If I missed anything important here, please post it for those who want to stay up to date with better details than this mini recrap for today.
James Barber		#340	[-]
Posts: 12798 (08/27/08 12:54 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AmbersDaughter wrote: You are probably correct. But it seems to me that Rennie has the brains and the guts to realize that she and Keesha are at the bottom of Dan and Memphis' F4. I think there's a real good chance she could approach Keesha and propose they talk to Ollie and Jerry along these lines: "We realize that in the past, we've had our differences. But, as it stands today, it seems like Dan has gone right off the deep end. Nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted or believed. He and Memphis seem to be on some kind of power trip and they don't seem to value Keesha and I as much as they are thinking of themselves." "So, we wanted to know how you might feel about the four of us agreeing to go to F4 together. The agreement would be that the four of us would stick together just until Dan and Memphis were gone. Would you like to do that? I think Renny is wise to believe she may be at the bottom of her alliance, but her problem is that Keesha has no reason to believe she's at the bottom. Dan kept Keesha informed of his plans every step of the way. Dan refused to put Keesha at risk, even Ollie told her this. Keesha has valid reason to believe Dan will at least want her to go to F3, whereas she knows Ollie and Jerry hate her and may target her. I think Renny's best bet is to make sure Memphis goes at F5 or F4, then win F3 HOH. I think she could win the endurance portion, and you never know about the Q&A. She'll beat anyone in the house if she gets to F2.

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