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Francois40 wrote:

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Unless youre a suckster, editing is nothing...

I presume this means "Unless you follow message boards of some kind fanatically", because Sucks, while the best-known, is far from the only message board devoted to Survivor (though the most famous), and there ARE plenty of astute, rabid fans who aren't here, who do notice things like editing, etc.

Thank you, François, for that precision.

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:

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But my point about casual fans,and many people here too,is that they try to incorporate ethics into the game unnecessarily. Take the Hidden Immunity Idol,why are there rules against stealling it? Most people say that the restriction against stealing it prevents thuggery in the game. Who cares? Its not ones personal property nor does it have any sentimental value.... People incororate there own ethics into the game,and by preventing theft of the idol, your undermining a dynamic of the game.This is due to the casual fans view of Survivor as a sporting event,rather then the dynamic social experiment that it is. Its why Terry recieved inordinate praise for being an awful player.Its why Parvati got muted appluse at her win.This is all strange to me,and I want to understand it.

My bad, I had read the following in your original post: "This thread is basically a way for me to understand how the "casual fans" mind works". I thought you wanted to know how it felt to look at the show without over-analysing it or trying to predict the outcome or pulling fanatically for someone. How to make survivor watching more like someone who is simply watching a movie. The paragraph I quoted is completely different as I see you are simply upset that the casual viewer's opinion, counting for the vast majority of the audience, reduces your enjoyment of the show.

I thought this was an intellectual look at different viewers' perception of the show. I see it's only a mindless rant at the casual viewers.

If Survivor isn't a sporting event, it isn't a no-holds barred, fight to the death either. Knocking out an opponent has always been illegal but could also be a dynamic of the game. Who would watch? Unless you're a fan of wrestling also. If anything goes, why not cast "Joe-Pyromaniac"? His ethics would allow him to go to the other tribe's island and torch their camp. Too bad if someone is killed along the way, hey, it's Survivor isn't it? Let's have a real body count! Of course, Jeff would have to change it to "Fire is Life or Death".

The immunity idol is considered personal property by the way. The immunity necklace also is personal property until Jeff puts it back up for grabs. Would you want to see the IC winner having to hide his necklace every time? By finding the HII, you've won it. If people were allowed to steal it, the producers would lose control of the game. Things have to be done on camera so that the story can be told.

Terry received praise because, while being a poor strategist and going against women, the guy was impressive in the challenges and rarely lied. Some like it that way and there wouldn't have been 16 seasons of Survivor without the casual viewers. Survivor may not be a sporting event but it is a game and a game NEEDS RULES.

As far as I remember, stealing money isn't allowed in Monopoly!!